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[Elecbender]

Now go and do it in practice and tell us how it is...

[HolyAvenger]

Asari are better than krogan at war, all aspects of it.  They are the finest soldiers in the galaxy, everyone's thankful there's so few of them. 


DealwithitB) 

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[CmnDwnWrkn]

WildHog70 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

ha

Lovaas wrote...

The asari recovery time is an enemy to that strategy. While you finish her pillow talk animations you would get picked off by a sion/ravager/phantom/rocket pooper every time. Yes the numbers are in the Asari's favor but you have to consider:

1. No self respecting krogan forgives all health and damage reduction just to gain more melee damage on a race that already has superior melee capabilities.

2. Orgasm animation is a death trap when her melee is used unwisely.

This is the battle of what happens on paper versus what happens on the battlefield argument we see constantly on bsn. 
inb4 all infiltrators are op. 

I love that you're making an excuse for the fact that a damn Asari can now be speced to have a more power melee than a Krogan.  Before arguing, just take a minute to think about how ridiculous this is.

BioWare is turning this game into a ****ing joke.  Every week it gets that much worse.

The asari's melee is biotic, there is no reason why it shouldn't be the most powerful melee in the game.

[WildHog70]

Annomander wrote...

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

I wouldn't call it a little pulse. The more powerful the biotics, the more powerful the caloric and mental drain on the biotic user. The asari always seemed to exert a lot of energy and end up pretty fatigued after a heavy melee, at least much more so than when they're using their other powers.

[Valiantheart99]

I dont see the issue. The Asari cloaks, melees, then has to wait nearly 4 seconds to cloak again.

The Krogan can get off 3 attacks to the Asari's 2.

[BurningLiquor]

WildHog70 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

I wouldn't call it a little pulse. The more powerful the biotics, the more powerful the caloric and mental drain on the biotic user. The asari always seemed to exert a lot of energy and end up pretty fatigued after a heavy melee, at least much more so than when they're using their other powers.

Umm... The Huntress' heavy melee does more damage than a Biotic Explosion with full detonation evos. You think that is fine?

[Frosty10001]

WildHog70 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

I wouldn't call it a little pulse. The more powerful the biotics, the more powerful the caloric and mental drain on the biotic user. The asari always seemed to exert a lot of energy and end up pretty fatigued after a heavy melee, at least much more so than when they're using their other powers.

I think that's how Asari keep their shape! I totally didn't see that before.

[BridgeBurner]

Elecbender wrote...

Now go and do it in practice and tell us how it is...

Did that already, worked out pretty fine. I went adrenaline module instead of cyclonic IV though.

With a cyclonic IV it would be much more effective, and it already was pretty effective.

[BridgeBurner]

Valiantheart99 wrote...

I dont see the issue. The Asari cloaks, melees, then has to wait nearly 4 seconds to cloak again.

The Krogan can get off 3 attacks to the Asari's 2.

Someone clearly has never played a krogan....

[BridgeBurner]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Asari are better than krogan at war, all aspects of it.  They are the finest soldiers in the galaxy, everyone's thankful there's so few of them. 


DealwithitB) 

Oh yeah, so that's why the Asari were the deciding factor in winning the Rachni war....

[WildHog70]

BurningLiquor wrote...

WildHog70 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

So a little pulse of biotic energy = more damage than a 1000kg krogan, and indeed, more damage than a biotic explosion too I think?

I wouldn't call it a little pulse. The more powerful the biotics, the more powerful the caloric and mental drain on the biotic user. The asari always seemed to exert a lot of energy and end up pretty fatigued after a heavy melee, at least much more so than when they're using their other powers.

Umm... The Huntress' heavy melee does more damage than a Biotic Explosion with full detonation evos. You think that is fine?

Lore-wise? I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be stronger than a BE.
To do with Game-play and balance? No, I'm not fine, I want a BE buff!

[Elecbender]

Annomander wrote...

Elecbender wrote...

Now go and do it in practice and tell us how it is...

Did that already, worked out pretty fine. I went adrenaline module instead of cyclonic IV though.

With a cyclonic IV it would be much more effective, and it already was pretty effective.

Yeah I do that with everything in this game but you don't see people around here believing me...

[Valiantheart99]

Annomander wrote...

Valiantheart99 wrote...

I dont see the issue. The Asari cloaks, melees, then has to wait nearly 4 seconds to cloak again.

The Krogan can get off 3 attacks to the Asari's 2.

Someone clearly has never played a krogan....

Yeah Im pretty sure i have.  You hold down the F key and do the peoples forearm.  Takes about a 1.2 seconds give or take a tenth of a second.

[Blarg]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Yeah but before everything, buff the Typhoon Biower.

[X-Frame]

What if .. they just doubled the melee damage that can be produced by the Krogan Soldier and the Krogan Sentinel?

[K_O_513]

Out of all the stuff that's wrong with this game you'd rather waste time posting this?

[Flambirex]

blaaaaaaaaaarg wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Yeah but before everything, buff the Typhoon Biower.

Right now, protection bonuses or not, the Harrier and the PPR do more damage more easily than the Typhoon.

I'd love to see a Typhoon buff next week

Also Kroguard is so awesome. Baby's first Gold/Platinum class for sure, but there's something so joyous about his charge.

[cgtrfghj7]

Kushiel42 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Did you include warp debuff in the numbers?

Does it affect melee damage? Expose description only lists power and weapon damage, specifically, which is different than (IIRC) every other debuff evo on every other power.

Well Rank 6B 6A has "Weaken armor by additional 25%" so I assumed it meant a universal debuff of 50% total when that rank is taken. 

Modifié par cgtrfghj7, 12 décembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[BridgeBurner]

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Kushiel42 wrote...

cgtrfghj7 wrote...

Did you include warp debuff in the numbers?

Does it affect melee damage? Expose description only lists power and weapon damage, specifically, which is different than (IIRC) every other debuff evo on every other power.

Well Rank 6B 6A has "Weaken armor by additional 25%" so I assumed it meant a universal debuff of 50% total when that rank is taken. 

Armour DR is not applied to melee attacks, melee attacks seem to either do 1.5* damage or 0.75* damage.

Krogan are in the 0.75* damage category.

[hawgwild5757]

You're talking about a game where a subcompact pistol, the Paladin, with a tiny scope is as good a sniper weapon than most of the true sniper rifles. And it's better than some of them.

Logic goes out the window when space magic steps through the door.

[UnknownMercenary]

Yeah I got the last 300,000 points on melee damage challenge done in a handful of games using a melee Huntress build.

It was hilarious but oh god she is squishy even with a Cyclonic 4. The wind-down on the melee is a real killer.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Because gameplay and lore are 2 different things

[Xaijin]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Asari are better than krogan at war, all aspects of it.  They are the finest soldiers in the galaxy, everyone's thankful there's so few of them. 


DealwithitB) 

Lore and game says otherwise, inlcuding the chick in charge of 1/3 of the Thessian military, and pretty much the de facto leader of their covert ops.