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[T41rdEye]

Battlepope190 wrote...

One People's Elbow and you can kiss your "superiority" goodbye as an Asari. A Krogan will just laugh and try again.

[Titus Thongger]

Annomander wrote...

I just think if characters like the krogan sentinel and soldier exist, they should be able to be melee monsters on gold.

Krogan sentinel already is a melee monster. Cyclonic 4, juggernaught shield and strength enhancer. Couple that with tech armor melee bonus and a shotgun omni blade and you will be backhanding everything (except maybe collectors) back into the stone age

[himegoto]

Titus Thongger wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I just think if characters like the krogan sentinel and soldier exist, they should be able to be melee monsters on gold.

Krogan sentinel already is a melee monster. Cyclonic 4, juggernaught shield and strength enhancer. Couple that with tech armor melee bonus and a shotgun omni blade and you will be backhanding everything (except maybe collectors) back into the stone age

Sadly all that comes to a full stop at wave 6 gold.
Bioware hates melees

I use an adrenaline mod on him though, if not one of my teammates just going to head snipe everything with the jav before I could get to them 

[Titus Thongger]

himegoto wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I just think if characters like the krogan sentinel and soldier exist, they should be able to be melee monsters on gold.

Krogan sentinel already is a melee monster. Cyclonic 4, juggernaught shield and strength enhancer. Couple that with tech armor melee bonus and a shotgun omni blade and you will be backhanding everything (except maybe collectors) back into the stone age

Sadly all that comes to a full stop at wave 6 gold.
Bioware hates melees

I use an adrenaline mod on him though, if not one of my teammates just going to head snipe everything with the jav before I could get to them 

my krogan cares not what wave it is. if it's the enemy, it simply exists to be pummelled into oblivion.

granted, you do need to be more careful at times vs certain enemies

[Siran]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's amazing that so many people are missing the point. Regardless of whose melee is more graceful, the fact is - the Asari heavy melee as stated does more damage than the Krogan's melee. That's insane and that's absurd.  Period.  Please stop trying to rationalize it.

As long as there is no Krogan Infiltrator to make any kind of comparison on the same basis, it is a moot point to compare two entirely different classes. Plain and simple.

[himegoto]

Titus Thongger wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I just think if characters like the krogan sentinel and soldier exist, they should be able to be melee monsters on gold.

Krogan sentinel already is a melee monster. Cyclonic 4, juggernaught shield and strength enhancer. Couple that with tech armor melee bonus and a shotgun omni blade and you will be backhanding everything (except maybe collectors) back into the stone age

Sadly all that comes to a full stop at wave 6 gold.
Bioware hates melees

I use an adrenaline mod on him though, if not one of my teammates just going to head snipe everything with the jav before I could get to them 

my krogan cares not what wave it is. if it's the enemy, it simply exists to be pummelled into oblivion.

granted, you do need to be more careful at times vs certain enemies

haha I'll try to get a hold of you and some more guys and do a full melee game.

[Titus Thongger]

himegoto wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

himegoto wrote...

Titus Thongger wrote...

Annomander wrote...

I just think if characters like the krogan sentinel and soldier exist, they should be able to be melee monsters on gold.

Krogan sentinel already is a melee monster. Cyclonic 4, juggernaught shield and strength enhancer. Couple that with tech armor melee bonus and a shotgun omni blade and you will be backhanding everything (except maybe collectors) back into the stone age

Sadly all that comes to a full stop at wave 6 gold.
Bioware hates melees

I use an adrenaline mod on him though, if not one of my teammates just going to head snipe everything with the jav before I could get to them 

my krogan cares not what wave it is. if it's the enemy, it simply exists to be pummelled into oblivion.

granted, you do need to be more careful at times vs certain enemies

haha I'll try to get a hold of you and some more guys and do a full melee game.

make it so. TitusThongger on lolrigin

[Leland Gaunt]

The sheer existence of this fact is more than ridiculous. Asari a better melee than Krogan? That's just laughable. Sometimes I really wonder if the Devs actually play that game (and on something higher than Silver for that matter).

[T41rdEye]

 The only Asari melee I know of is the light melee elbow.
Ohhh, the heavy melee?? Thats a Biotic Blast that should be on par with a Krogan backhand. Hell, I'm mad it doesn't detonate BEs. You are basically rendered defenseless while she recovers from her bio-gasm, leaving you dead on higher difficulties in no time.

Risk>Reward. The damage may seem rediculous on paper, but in practice you will just end up annoying your teammates because you're climaxing, then dying every 5 seconds.

[tictactucrac]

Since when asari melee has bonus against shields and armor ? afaik, multiplicator is 1/1/1/0.75 for health/shield/barrier/armor.

So 5422 is a lie ?

Modifié par tictactucrac, 13 décembre 2012 - 10:47 .

[ValorOfArms777]

Krogans headbutt though can hitt rapidly fast in a row if you need to do that..and deals more DPS in the framework than a Heavy his heavy does make closing faster though to start headbutt masacre if need be his heavy shoudn't be used TOO much but just enough to make soem diffrence...though yeah he been neededing an alteration for awhile in Melees but you lsited the Krogaurd the beast of shields on that scale...whom also is a able body for melee

[Eurhetemec]

tictactucrac wrote...

Since when asari melee has bonus against shields and armor ? afaik, multiplicator is 1/1/1/0.75 for health/shield/barrier/armor.

So 5422 is a lie ?

I can't figure out how to get those numbers using Narida, so they seem off (am I missing something?).

Furthermore, Annomander's OP is actively misleading, because it focuses solely on damage/attack and doesn't look at factors like survivability, mobility, or even DPS!

This is a particularly big issue because he ignores the Cloak CD, which is 3 seconds minimum, and just assumes all attacks will be under TC bonus.

[Badpanzer]

Eurhetemec wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Since when asari melee has bonus against shields and armor ? afaik, multiplicator is 1/1/1/0.75 for health/shield/barrier/armor.

So 5422 is a lie ?

I can't figure out how to get those numbers using Narida, so they seem off (am I missing something?).

Furthermore, Annomander's OP is actively misleading, because it focuses solely on damage/attack and doesn't look at factors like survivability, mobility, or even DPS!

This is a particularly big issue because he ignores the Cloak CD, which is 3 seconds minimum, and just assumes all attacks will be under TC bonus.

The Huntress H.Melee definitely does not have a bonus against armour nor does the Justicar but the Asari Adept and the Asari Vanguard do.
I have played the Huntress a lot using a melee build and she is deadly but you have to be careful...as others have pointed out the melee has a slow recovery time and can only target 3xenemy per use.
Still unlike the Krogans the Asari have a great dodge and with care I survive on gold pretty well...no worse than usual anyway:innocent:

[Grotaiche]

Eurhetemec wrote...

tictactucrac wrote...

Since when asari melee has bonus against shields and armor ? afaik, multiplicator is 1/1/1/0.75 for health/shield/barrier/armor.

So 5422 is a lie ?

I can't figure out how to get those numbers using Narida, so they seem off (am I missing something?).

Furthermore, Annomander's OP is actively misleading, because it focuses solely on damage/attack and doesn't look at factors like survivability, mobility, or even DPS!

This is a particularly big issue because he ignores the Cloak CD, which is 3 seconds minimum, and just assumes all attacks will be under TC bonus.

Same here ; even with TC, the Huntress isn't even close to the Kroguard's heavy melee : 2200 (with TC) vs 2520 (with Rage ; 2800 with Charge on top of that) for heavy melee on anything but armor, no weapon/mod/gear. Here are the builds : Huntress - Kroguard.
I'm probably missing something here, so feel free to enlighten me

EDIT : the same numbers apply to the Krogan Soldier, just dismiss the "2800 with Charge" part.

Modifié par Grotaiche, 13 décembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[peddroelm]

Badpanzer wrote...

The Huntress H.Melee definitely does not have a bonus against armour nor does the Justicar but the Asari Adept and the Asari Vanguard do.
I have played the Huntress a lot using a melee build and she is deadly but you have to be careful...as others have pointed out the melee has a slow recovery time and can only target 3xenemy per use.
Still unlike the Krogans the Asari have a great dodge and with care I survive on gold pretty well...no worse than usual anyway:innocent:

Phoenix/ Asari/ Human Adept/ N7 Destroyer/ N7 Demolisher/ Geth
150% vs armour
150% vs shields
150% vs barriers


ALL ASARI have the same heavy melee modifiers .. Narida's class builder is not always updated with correct/latest information ... Don't take it as gospel ...

[Badpanzer]

peddroelmz wrote...

Badpanzer wrote...

The Huntress H.Melee definitely does not have a bonus against armour nor does the Justicar but the Asari Adept and the Asari Vanguard do.
I have played the Huntress a lot using a melee build and she is deadly but you have to be careful...as others have pointed out the melee has a slow recovery time and can only target 3xenemy per use.
Still unlike the Krogans the Asari have a great dodge and with care I survive on gold pretty well...no worse than usual anyway:innocent:

Phoenix/ Asari/ Human Adept/ N7 Destroyer/ N7 Demolisher/ Geth
150% vs armour
150% vs shields
150% vs barriers


ALL ASARI have the same heavy melee modifiers .. Narida's class builder is not always updated with correct/latest information ... Don't take it as gospel ...

Well now that is useful info so thanks

[Grotaiche]

peddroelmz wrote...

Narida's class builder is not always updated with correct/latest information ... Don't take it as gospel ...

Indeed, but that's a very good place where information is centralized and it shows numbers very quickly ; it's usually very convenient to compare builds. Also, Narida is still active after all these months and pretty quick in the updates.

[peddroelm]

Grotaiche wrote...

peddroelmz wrote...

Narida's class builder is not always updated with correct/latest information ... Don't take it as gospel ...

Indeed, but that's a very good place where information is centralized and it shows numbers very quickly ; it's usually very convenient to compare builds. Also, Narida is still active after all these months and pretty quick in the updates.

 

Sure is a handy tool ...

[Wolfsbladex]

Are these statistics based off Gold?

[MeLlamoDante]

Perhaps someone should play as a Krogan while the OP uses his Asari and let us know how it turns out. I'd do it except he probably plays on PC.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Kushiel42 wrote...

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's amazing that so many people are missing the point. Regardless of whose melee is more graceful, the fact is - the Asari heavy melee as stated does more damage than the Krogan's melee. That's insane and that's absurd.  Period.  Please stop trying to rationalize it.

People aren't missing that point. They're trying to put that point into the perspective of actual play, because that point (as you're making it out to be here) is a lore complaint, which a lot of people just don't care about one way or another.

That's not the thrust of Annomander's issue, though, as he's explained already.

It's not a lore complaint.  It's a gameplay inconsistency issue, a character design problem, and a failure to properly balance characters.  There are different classes in the game for a reason.  They're all supposed to have unique strengths and weaknesses.  There is an inherent balance to the classes that was implemented well in SP and carried over to MP initially.  Then, BioWare decided to abandon these class distinctions they established so they're largely meaningless at this point.  Which wouldn't necessarily be bad, if characters were still balanced against each other in terms of utility.  They're not.  You want to create a character that can out-biotic an Adept, out-melee a Krogan, out-weapon a Soldier, out-jack-of-all--trades a Sentinel, that's okay, but then this character better have plenty of weaknesses.  BioWare has lost sight of this fundamental balance concept.  It's a problem when you have a character that has the strengths of several classes but very few of the corresponding weaknesses.

[BlueTobimon]

Saiyan1126 wrote...

BlueTobimon wrote...

Vote for krogan Warlord, with two shieldbars, one complete healthbar and ballistic blades.

Krogan really should have health regen, but it should be slower than Vorcha. Damn you, now I really want a Krogan with Ballistic Blades...

Anything else with ballistic blades would be enough. Cause I don't have any luck unlocking soldiers... 

[Kushiel42]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's a problem when you have a character that has the strengths of several classes but very few of the corresponding weaknesses.

Agreed, but the Huntress is not an example of such a character. (The only actual example of such a character in this game is the TGI.) As keeps being pointed out here, her melee is more damaging and AoE, but much more dangerous to use at all, let alone focus on, than Krogan melee. The Huntress's melee does more damage, but she's not better at being a melee class than the Krogan. 

What are the several classes that you think she has the strengths of?