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[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

[Mcfly616]

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

[Volc19]

Few dispute this.

The more common arguments used to justify Destroy's genocide involve statements like "We'll just rebuild them" or "Well, they weren't REALLY alive anways."

Only those in the deepest of denial would deny that the Geth die.

[Ticonderoga117]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

Especially if shielded.

[devSin]

You're free to interpret the ending in this manner if you choose.

But you can dispense with your authoritarian tone. BioWare has declared that you can make up whatever the hell you want about the ending, and it will be true. So your "once and for all" nonsense is just useless antagonism.

[Mcfly616]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

its science fiction. Not everything is going to have a real-world scientific explaination to it because not everything that occurs within science fiction is even possible in our own world. This is true of any work of sci fi. For whatever reason, people like to point at ME3, call it "Space Magic" and act like it's something new lol

As for how it works: it sends an immense amount of energy through the citadel relay, therefore spreading throughout the entire relay network. Control and Destroy affect Reaper Code.....

[OdanUrr]

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

[Ticonderoga117]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

How can a beam of energy read binary? Oh, and then tell that said binary is "Reaper binary"? Or whatever basis the Geth use.

[d-boy15]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

only for the low-ems destroy in high-ems, catalyst never mention that.

[CosmicGnosis]

devSin wrote...

You're free to interpret the ending in this manner if you choose.

But you can dispense with your authoritarian tone. BioWare has declared that you can make up whatever the hell you want about the ending, and it will be true. So your "once and for all" nonsense is just useless antagonism.

I usually try to avoid using an authoritarian tone, but I decided that this time people needed a reality check.

Also, I find it amusing that the one time I decide to sound "authoritarian", I get called out on it. All the while, the BSN revels in its groupthink, declaring that Control and Synthesis fans are morally bankrupt.

[Chashan]

Volc19 wrote...

Few dispute this.

The more common arguments used to justify Destroy's genocide involve statements like "We'll just rebuild them" or "Well, they weren't REALLY alive anways."

Only those in the deepest of denial would deny that the Geth die.

First, while some may prefer to do away with the Geth on Rannoch or else just destroy them then for the hell of it, terming Red "genocide" is somewhat off. Collateral damage is caused in all three endings in some manner, what Red would rather boil down to is friendly fire.

And "rebuilding" does not truly equal "ressurecting" the geth, if that is what you are likening it to. Even though given the amount of shenanigans going on across the finale, handwaving that would hardly be beyond scope anymore.
That aside, not so much as a static impact of the choice of reconciliation between the Geth and their creators being shown in the Destroy-epilogue is just...awkward, as I mentioned.

[essarr71]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

devSin wrote...

You're free to interpret the ending in this manner if you choose.

But you can dispense with your authoritarian tone. BioWare has declared that you can make up whatever the hell you want about the ending, and it will be true. So your "once and for all" nonsense is just useless antagonism.

I usually try to avoid using an authoritarian tone, but I decided that this time people needed a reality check.

Also, I find it amusing that the one time I decide to sound "authoritarian", I get called out on it. All the while, the BSN revels in its groupthink, declaring that Control and Synthesis fans are morally bankrupt.

Reality check?  You provided no new evidence to contradict the belief it only effects reaper code in high ems circumstances.

So.. yeah.

[OdanUrr]

Mcfly616 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

its science fiction. Not everything is going to have a real-world scientific explaination to it because not everything that occurs within science fiction is even possible in our own world. This is true of any work of sci fi. For whatever reason, people like to point at ME3, call it "Space Magic" and act like it's something new lol

As for how it works: it sends an immense amount of energy through the citadel relay, therefore spreading throughout the entire relay network. Control and Destroy affect Reaper Code.....

I'll let Cam Mitchell address that one: http://youtu.be/K4DPKi9ECTU#t=01m08s

And I'm not asking for a real-world explanation, I'm simply asking for the writers to make me believe such a thing is possible within the context of the Mass Effect universe. When the writers don't even take the trouble to explain how such a thing could possibly be done, I strongly suspect it's because they simply don't know and/or care.

"It's science fiction" is not an excuse.

[CosmicGnosis]

essarr71 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

devSin wrote...

You're free to interpret the ending in this manner if you choose.

But you can dispense with your authoritarian tone. BioWare has declared that you can make up whatever the hell you want about the ending, and it will be true. So your "once and for all" nonsense is just useless antagonism.

I usually try to avoid using an authoritarian tone, but I decided that this time people needed a reality check.

Also, I find it amusing that the one time I decide to sound "authoritarian", I get called out on it. All the while, the BSN revels in its groupthink, declaring that Control and Synthesis fans are morally bankrupt.

Reality check?  You provided no new evidence to contradict the belief it only effects reaper code in high ems circumstances.

So.. yeah.

Fine, I'll change the title to say that at least EDI and the geth are dead.

[Ticonderoga117]

OdanUrr wrote...
I'll let Cam Mitchell address that one: http://youtu.be/K4DPKi9ECTU#t=01m08s

And I'm not asking for a real-world explanation, I'm simply asking for the writers to make me believe such a thing is possible within the context of the Mass Effect universe. When the writers don't even take the trouble to explain how such a thing could possibly be done, I strongly suspect it's because they simply don't know and/or care.

"It's science fiction" is not an excuse.

Especially when they have done explaining before.
It would be something else if they handwaved it all previously.

It's jarring. It feels out of place. It's lazy.

[Iakus]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Yep, the geth are dead in Destroy. Quite a few people are in denial of that fact.


They can say what they want to kid themselves, but writer intent is obvious.

"But be warned.  Others will be destroyed as well.  The Crucible will not discriminate.  All synthetics will be targeted.  Even you are partly synthetic"

Straight from the Catalyst.  Intent can't be clearer.

[OdanUrr]

d-boy15 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

only for the low-ems destroy in high-ems, catalyst never mention that.

This video looks like high EMS to me and the Catalyst says that here.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

How can a beam of energy read binary? Oh, and then tell that said binary is "Reaper binary"? Or whatever basis the Geth use.

Do people not know what an emp is?

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[dreman9999]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

It's based on the power level of the pulse. Remeber, this is a feild that is amplified by the mass relays. Mass effect feilds natually generate electic pulses. Biotic  and mass effect engines both give off static electricity.

[dreman9999]

d-boy15 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

only for the low-ems destroy in high-ems, catalyst never mention that.

It says it no matter the ems for destroy.

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

How can a beam of energy read binary? Oh, and then tell that said binary is "Reaper binary"? Or whatever basis the Geth use.

Do people not know what an emp is?

Really? Still with the EMP? Setting aside for a moment the fact that not all technology can be adversely affected by an EMP and that we don't know the effects it would even have on, say, a mass relay (probably null), you're saying that the only weapon that can destroy the Reapers, this thing that civilizations have been building for eons, that nobody has been able to figure out what it is or how it works, is an electromagnetic pulse?

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

[dreman9999]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

How can a beam of energy read binary? Oh, and then tell that said binary is "Reaper binary"? Or whatever basis the Geth use.

Do people not know what an emp is?

Really? Still with the EMP? Setting aside for a moment the fact that not all technology can be adversely affected by an EMP and that we don't know the effects it would even have on, say, a mass relay (probably null), you're saying that the only weapon that can destroy the Reapers, this thing that civilizations have been building for eons, that nobody has been able to figure out what it is or how it works, is an electromagnetic pulse?

Read my last post. Tech sheild by emp have a limit to how much it can protect said tech. It based on the power level of the pulse.It like radiation protection. Added, Mass effect feild naturally generate electric pulses. Biotics generate staticelecity and mass effect enginegeneratat massive ammounts ofstaticelectricity. Your also missing the fact that the strongest mass effect generators in the galexy are amplifying the pulse as well, as device that natually make electric pulses as a byproduct.

It obviously is an emp.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
It obviously is an emp.

EMP's don't have color like that.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.