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[griot13]

You can't kill somthing that was never alive!¡ Sorry had too...Troll...Troll

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

You do realize that if it were an EMP, not only synthetics would die, right?

[RethenX]

guess the stick isn't working. I'll have to use a shotgun to beat the horse.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
It obviously is an emp.

EMP's don't have color like that.

Electricity generatesall the colors in the spectrim. Added, that is just an added effect. It hold no ground to what it is.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

Static electrcity does not "enhance" EMP effects. If anything, they would be the byproduct from it interacting with metal.

Plus, the beam of energy is LIGHT. Not an EMP.

[dreman9999]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

You do realize that if it were an EMP, not only synthetics would die, right?

Which is why low ems destroys mostof the galexy. You don't thing the races that planned the crucible did not have a way to regulate the power of the crucible?

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Electricity generatesall the colors in the spectrim. Added, that is just an added effect. It hold no ground to what it is.

No... a burst of light will not kill machines.

And added effects are inefficient.

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

You do realize that if it were an EMP, not only synthetics would die, right?

Which is why low ems destroys mostof the galexy. You don't thing the races that planned the crucible did not have a way to regulate the power of the crucible?

So... in high EMS... what, an EMP blast can take out a Reaper but not, say, the computers responsible for life support in a starship?

[Mcfly616]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

umm the Mass Relays???

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

Static electrcity does not "enhance" EMP effects. If anything, they would be the byproduct from it interacting with metal.

Plus, the beam of energy is LIGHT. Not an EMP.

1. All forms of electricty does enhance emps. And static electriacty is electricity.
2.You needto read up on the lore how mass effect feilds work.
3. Why are their lighting bolts coming out the mass relays when they are used?

[EnvyTB075]

Do you control ALL synthetics in Control? No? So the crucible CAN discriminate between Reapers and ordinary AI's.

Do AI's reside so fully within their physical platforms that they can't survive without them? No? So then forgive me for not believing it when their physical platforms are used to show their "deaths".

OdanUrr wrote...

So... in high
EMS... what, an EMP blast can take out a Reaper but not, say, the
computers responsible for life support in a starship?[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

And then theres this. Starships simply would NOT be able to operate if such a far reaching amount of destructive capability was actually deployed from the Crucible. And yet Hackett n'co are seen casually flying away.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 décembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. All forms of electricty does enhance emps. And static electriacty is electricity.
2.You needto read up on the lore how mass effect feilds work.
3. Why are their lighting bolts coming out the mass relays when they are used?

1. Wrong.
2. Not on topic.
3. Not on topic.

Counter. In the destroy ending we see a husk get turned to ASHES while other soldiers remain alive.

This is not an emp. This is bad writing.

[Mcfly616]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Technically, I can't see how the Crucible could pull off such a stunt: destroying the Reapers, the Geth, and damaging "technology" in all its forms. Until they can explain to me how the Crucible works, in every case, I'll just go with the more scientifically-possible explanation that only the Reapers have been destroyed (as per the options suggested in the thread on my signature).

It's called an emp.

Not every piece of technology is susceptible to an electromagnetic pulse.

its science fiction. Not everything is going to have a real-world scientific explaination to it because not everything that occurs within science fiction is even possible in our own world. This is true of any work of sci fi. For whatever reason, people like to point at ME3, call it "Space Magic" and act like it's something new lol

As for how it works: it sends an immense amount of energy through the citadel relay, therefore spreading throughout the entire relay network. Control and Destroy affect Reaper Code.....

I'll let Cam Mitchell address that one: http://youtu.be/K4DPKi9ECTU#t=01m08s

And I'm not asking for a real-world explanation, I'm simply asking for the writers to make me believe such a thing is possible within the context of the Mass Effect universe. When the writers don't even take the trouble to explain how such a thing could possibly be done, I strongly suspect it's because they simply don't know and/or care.

"It's science fiction" is not an excuse.

believe what you'd like. Every entry in the sci fi genre proposes something within its narrative thatis never delved into within its own lore. To say otherwise is ignorant. We've known since day one that it may be a possibility within the ME universe, based on the fact that the idea was even mentioned.

[dreman9999]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do people not know what an emp is?

So, they have zero protection against EM radiation? Oh, and they also use tech that is vulnerable to that? Considering we have weapons that can kill them today then... well, why do we need the Crucible?

With all radiation protection not all protectioncan can protect fromall levels of radiation. This is a given. It's is an emp aplified by mass effect engines that naturelly produces static eletricity as a byproduct. You would understand this if you looked up how mass effect feilds work.

You do realize that if it were an EMP, not only synthetics would die, right?

Which is why low ems destroys mostof the galexy. You don't thing the races that planned the crucible did not have a way to regulate the power of the crucible?

So... in high EMS... what, an EMP blast can take out a Reaper but not, say, the computers responsible for life support in a starship?

Catalyst: Your technology you rely on will be effect but those who servive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. 

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 décembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Catalyst: Your technology you rely on will be effect but those who servive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. 

"Oh crap. We lost every scrap of technology because of this GIANT EMP. Does anyone remember how to build anything? No? Where's all the scientists? Oh, they're stuck in space... somewhere we can't get too. Fantastic!"

[MegaSovereign]

OdanUrr wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

arial wrote...

I honestly think destroy only targets Reaper code. Geth uploaded Reaper code to themselves, so they die. EDI was based on Reaper Code, so shes dead. Relays are wrecked, because they had Reaper code.

This.

Doesn't the Catalyst say something about "technology you rely on will be affected"? Is all our technology based on Reaper code now?

We rely on the Mass Relays, lol.

His statements are incredibly vague.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1. All forms of electricty does enhance emps. And static electriacty is electricity.
2.You needto read up on the lore how mass effect feilds work.
3. Why are their lighting bolts coming out the mass relays when they are used?

1. Wrong.
2. Not on topic.
3. Not on topic.

Counter. In the destroy ending we see a husk get turned to ASHES while other soldiers remain alive.

This is not an emp. This is bad writing.

1. How does adding more electricty to electriacity not enhance it.
2-3. It is on topic. This is how the emp is made

4. Husk are held to gether by nano machines and tech.

Modifié par dreman9999, 12 décembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Catalyst: Your technology you rely on will be effect but those who servive will have little difficulty repairing the damage. 

"Oh crap. We lost every scrap of technology because of this GIANT EMP. Does anyone remember how to build anything? No? Where's all the scientists? Oh, they're stuck in space... somewhere we can't get too. Fantastic!"

So some how the enginners on the ships that make sure the ship runs don't know how to fix said ships?

[MegaSovereign]

If you guys are interested, take a look at my fan-made "Crucible Codex" thread (link in signature) if you have the chance. It has evolved quite a bit over time as more people provided feedback.

It may even answer some of your questions.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 décembre 2012 - 03:21 .

[ME859]

I just don't get it especially since Bioware wants us to use our imagination. Is it a huge leap to assume that Edi and the Geth can be revived given what happened to Shepard at the start of Mass Effect 2?

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
1. How does adding more electricty to electriacity not enhance it.
2-3. It is on topic. This is how the emp is made

4. Husk are held to gether by nano machines and tech.

EM fields are not electricity. One can lead to another and vice versa, but not simply because "It's there". You need to actively change it using magnetic coils and what have you. If that was the case, we would have wireless power no problem.

2-3. No, because ME fields were never the problem.

5. No. They are organic bodies with tech bits added in. Still solid. Plus, Low EMS shows soldiers ALSO being turned to ash from this "EMP". Which is bull.

The red wave is not an emp.

[dreman9999]

ME859 wrote...

I just don't get it especially since Bioware wants us to use our imagination. Is it a huge leap to assume that Edi and the Geth can be revived given what happened to Shepard at the start of Mass Effect 2?

It not a case the synthetic life can't be revived. It's acase that the peoplethey were are gone. We can remake the geth and get EDI's systems running agein but they would be new people in old bodies. It would be like cloning someone, hey would look like the person be not metally be that person.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
So some how the enginners on the ships that make sure the ship runs don't know how to fix said ships?

Fix with what? Every electrical component would be FRIED. Even the spares. Now they are deader than a door nail.

[Asch Lavigne]

Doesn't matter. Given how they canonize decisions I'm willing to bet in ME4, even if you picked destroy (and can carry it over) they'll make it so the Quarians have rebuilt the Geth so that way everyone is in the same universe.

[JG The Gamer]

I presume their software has been completely wiped and irretrievable. This goes for EDI and the geth. All that's left of them are their ships and numerous mobile platforms.

I seriously doubt they'll be 'brought back' as the Citadel Council (if it still exists after the war) has passed laws that warrant an outright ban on AIs. So now that the geth are deleted completely in the Destroy ending, they won't be coming back anytime soon. That said, since their ships and platforms are likely intact, their technology may still be usable. Same goes for the Reapers if there's a 0% chance of them still being able to indoctrinate.

Saw a comic strip around here once that probably had the best depiction of what happened with EDI when the Normandy crash-landed.