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[Mcfly616]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

Edit: Some people believe that Destroy targets only synthetics with "Reaper code", which means that only EDI and the geth die, and not necessarily all synthetics. I suspect that BioWare actually intended for all synthetics to die, but I have altered the OP to state that at least EDI and the geth die.

Since when can pure energy distinguish between and/or form allegiances.

They either all die or all survive, that doesn't say much for solving the reaper threat.

you guys do realize that besides EDI, the Geth make up pretty much the rest of the Synthetic population in the galaxy....you know this, right?

And to those trying to distinguish between Reaper Code and Reaper Tech.....well Reaper Code is essentially Reaper Technology. The Crucible specifically affects it. Plain and simple.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Little Princess Peach]

Steelcan wrote...

No proof it kills ALL synthetics, just those augmented with reaper technology which both EDI and the geth were.

A more accurate statement, Destroy kills all reaper augmented synthetics

Steelcan is right, I'd even bet that the keepers would die in destroy to if they were Reaper infected.

Op since shepard is part synthetic and possiblly has some sort of Reaper thec inside him/her, how the hack to do explain shep being alive at the end? don't give me the hes part organic crap either.

[RiptideX1090]

My theory is that the Crucible destroys hardware, and since some hardware is more destroyed than others, for example, the Reapers are completely shut down, but starships and quarian envirosuits still function.

So, one could postulate that the geth who uploaded to quarian envirosuits might have survived, with the ones in server hubs and platforms being wiped out. If the geth and quarians are all dead, then naturally they wouldn't have uploaded to the suits and both races are completely extinct.

[RiptideX1090]

frudi wrote...

EDI isn't killed by the Red wave, she sacrifices herself to save the Normandy and its crew. And most Geth survive the wave by shutting themselves off completely before it hits them and they are eventually reactivated by surviving organics in the weeks and months after the end.

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What, if Control and Synthesis supporters can headcanon that their choices don't result in catastrophic disasters, then Destroyers can make up anything we want as well. Deal with it.

Also, this.

If Controllers want to say their Shepard isn't going to go crazy in a few hundred years and wipe out all life in the galaxy to continue the cycle, and people who pick Synthesis want to argue that the affected people are not completely and utterly indoctrinated (despite EDI's character completely flip flopping from holding her mortality, her 'humanity' sacred and despising to being all about immortality and self preservation, which she previously found disgusting), then you bet your ass I can pretend some geth survived in the quarian envirosuits.

[Althix]

CosmicGnosis wrote...
Destroy kills EDI and the geth. Accept it.

aaaaaaaaand so what?
Also quarians are dead, and krogans soon will be. Turians, salarians and asari are next on the line.

[OdanUrr]

dreman9999 wrote...

You do understand the the writes use the consept of Mass effect feilds to come up with how it works. How many times does it have to be said that the crucible genorates a massive amount of dark energy?

Unless I'm mistaken, Liara says the Crucible is a device capable of releasing "tremendous amounts of energy," there is no reference to that energy being dark energy. And saying it can release tremendous amounts of energy doesn't tell me anything about how the Crucible works or what it does. For all we know it could be the engine of a starship.

[MisterJB]

secretsandlies wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...
Destroy kills EDI and the geth. Accept it.

aaaaaaaaand so what?
Also quarians are dead, and krogans soon will be. Turians, salarians and asari are next on the line.

I support ridding the galaxy of the xeno-scum.
FOR THE EMPEROR!

[Mcfly616]

OdanUrr wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You do understand the the writes use the consept of Mass effect feilds to come up with how it works. How many times does it have to be said that the crucible genorates a massive amount of dark energy?

Unless I'm mistaken, Liara says the Crucible is a device capable of releasing "tremendous amounts of energy," there is no reference to that energy being dark energy. And saying it can release tremendous amounts of energy doesn't tell me anything about how the Crucible works or what it does. For all we know it could be the engine of a starship.

Shepard tells Conrad that he's building a Prothean "Dark Energy" device.....

[InvincibleHero]

You know its funny people claim organics have no souls yet machines cannot be rebuilt as if they have a soul that cannot be replicated. If any backups of EDI survive "she" can be remade. Yeah I know about that black box nonsense in ME2. If they captured all the 1s and 0s that comprised EDI at the time of backup and remade the tech exactly as it were then EDI should be functionally the same.


The geth can be remade by the quarians if they survive, but I would question why they would do that. Do you doubt the quarians don't have the capacity to do so?

[ElSuperGecko]

Unfortunate, but necessary. Their sacrifice will be honoured in the coming empire.

[Mavqt]

MisterJB wrote...

Why did no one colonize Rannoch? I assume it has resources if the geth were capable of building a fleet.

Didn't the Geth only mine asteroids for resources and just 'cleaned' Rannoch?

[Mavqt]

frudi wrote...

EDI isn't killed by the Red wave, she sacrifices herself to save the Normandy and its crew. And most Geth survive the wave by shutting themselves off completely before it hits them and they are eventually reactivated by surviving organics in the weeks and months after the end.

...

What, if Control and Synthesis supporters can headcanon that their choices don't result in catastrophic disasters, then Destroyers can make up anything we want as well. Deal with it.

+1

[Althix]

MisterJB wrote...
FOR THE EMPEROR!

mmm no. Chaos Reign Supreme.

[feriwan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

feriwan wrote...

OK, EDI's on the wall.
And OK, there's that picture.

BUT: I didn't see that picture in MY playthrough, so it didn't necessarily happen in my playthrough.
And EDI, OK, maybe she SEEMED to have died, but seriously, they're synthetics. They're meant to be easily repaired.
I don't say destroy didn't kill the synthetics, I'm saying we can repair them.
Heck, Cerberus brought Shepard back to life, and the catalyst said tech would be easily repaired, so why not?

...yup, I'm in complete denial until Bioware shows me a screen that says 'THE GETH AND EDI ALL DIED AND ARE NOT COMING BACK'
But until then, the geth and EDI come back. I mean, if you could choose, you would choose that they live, and I think that Bioware (not necessarily knowingly) gave us that choice.

*sigh*

Think really hard about this. If it were so easy to "resurrect" EDI and the Geth after Destroy, it would mean the Reapers, too, would be just as "not quite dead" in the aftermath. Perhaps only as dead as the derelict that still indoctrinated anyone who spent too much time on it - only now these not-dead-just-sleeping hulks are scattered on every major world.

Is that what you want?

actually, that would be kind of fun, otherwise it would be a pretty boring universe.

But still, you do make a good point...
But you could also come up with a few ideas why that wouldn't happen, and as long as there is no canon post-ME3, I'm going to make it up for myself that the reapers are dead and geth and EDI repairable...
There's no reason not to. Even if the ending doesn't look to good, that doesn't mean you can fix it yourself, look at the MEHEM mod!
I just want to stick to everything that Bioware showed in ME3. And they didn't show that the geth and EDI are definately dead.
ALSO: Even if all software for EDI and the geth are destroyed (and thus, also no 'derelict type reapers'), there still is the hardware (the reaper corpses still are there). And I'm pretty sure that the blast didn't destroy the DESIGNS, did they?
They even once showed how geth AI works in the Normandy, so wouldn't they have the DESIGNS to rebuild the geth/EDI, even if they have to start from scratch?

[MisterJB]

frudi wrote...

EDI isn't killed by the Red wave, she sacrifices herself to save the Normandy and its crew. And most Geth survive the wave by shutting themselves off completely before it hits them and they are eventually reactivated by surviving organics in the weeks and months after the end.

...

What, if Control and Synthesis supporters can headcanon that their choices don't result in catastrophic disasters, then Destroyers can make up anything we want as well. Deal with it.

Head-canon is one thing. Going against what the game explicitelly tells you because you don't like it is another entirely different.

[InvincibleHero]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Think really hard about this. If it were so easy to "resurrect" EDI and the Geth after Destroy, it would mean the Reapers, too, would be just as "not quite dead" in the aftermath. Perhaps only as dead as the derelict that still indoctrinated anyone who spent too much time on it - only now these not-dead-just-sleeping hulks are scattered on every major world.

Is that what you want?

If your premise is accepted who in their right mind would recreate the reapers? They are also more advanced than both the geth and EDI by magnitudes. Only the leviathans could resurrect the reapers and that didn't work out so well for them the first time they encountered the reapers.

Modifié par InvincibleHero, 12 décembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[Jere85]

It's headcanon, nobody can dispute headcanon

[xAmilli0n]

Never realized it was an issue. Destroy kills all synthetics, the game says so. End of story. Its a shame, but it is what it is.

Now if you wanna headcanon the whole ending, then sure, keep the Geth and Edi alive, but realize its just your headcanon.

[EnvyTB075]

MisterJB wrote...
Head-canon is one thing. Going against what the game explicitelly tells you because you don't like it is another entirely different.

It doesn't expicitly say anything, because its blatently untrue.

[hukbum]

john_sheparrd wrote...

this is bull**** no one dies!

But can't you see all the dead software on the screenshot?

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I've always accepted that other synthetics die in Destroy.

It just doesn't bother me in the slightest.,

. There's also that

[Fixers0]

It's also the only option that killes Reapers, make up your balace.