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[spirosz]

Tomwew wrote...

this is in dispute?

[InvincibleHero]

Maybe the geth warships are shown exploding with the reapers or they could have shown that.

[LtBashkar]

I always saw destroy like this: All sentient synthetics are wholly wiped out. Geth and EDI absolutely included.

The "we'll just rebuild them" thing doesn't hold up. You can't rebuild sentience like that.

[InvincibleHero]

LtBashkar wrote...

I always saw destroy like this: All sentient synthetics are wholly wiped out. Geth and EDI absolutely included.

The "we'll just rebuild them" thing doesn't hold up. You can't rebuild sentience like that.

Not true they are the sum of their parts while organics are not. If you got every iota of EDI's programs including "her" updates on backup then EDI would be recreated exactly as she was. The geth are even less sophisticated and would obviously revert to pre-reaper code version.

[crimzontearz]

Quite simply....I could not care less about them dying, I care about Shepard living

[LtBashkar]

InvincibleHero wrote...

LtBashkar wrote...

I always saw destroy like this: All sentient synthetics are wholly wiped out. Geth and EDI absolutely included.

The "we'll just rebuild them" thing doesn't hold up. You can't rebuild sentience like that.

Not true they are the sum of their parts while organics are not. If you got every iota of EDI's programs including "her" updates on backup then EDI would be recreated exactly as she was. The geth are even less sophisticated and would obviously revert to pre-reaper code version.

Most of the game's primary themes and thematic tone suggest otherwise.

[InvincibleHero]

LtBashkar wrote...

Most of the game's primary themes and thematic tone suggest otherwise.

I agree with you some writer at BW tries to sell them as more but logically it has no leg to stand on. That silly part if you took EDIs black box and put it on another ship she wouldn't be the same is bunk.

[Chashan]

InvincibleHero wrote...

You know its funny people claim organics have no souls yet machines cannot be rebuilt as if they have a soul that cannot be replicated. If any backups of EDI survive "she" can be remade. Yeah I know about that black box nonsense in ME2. If they captured all the 1s and 0s that comprised EDI at the time of backup and remade the tech exactly as it were then EDI should be functionally the same.


The geth can be remade by the quarians if they survive, but I would question why they would do that. Do you doubt the quarians don't have the capacity to do so?

There is always Tali's comments on how the geth kick-start adaptation-processes for their creators which would otherwise take generations, as well as the general benevolence with which their "Servants of All" treat their creators...

So albeit the time elapsed between a possible peace-making scenario on Rannoch and the activation of the device is short, I can definitely see that as a plausible thing to do for the Quarians.

[Uncle Jo]

The Geth die in Destroy. There is no possible repair, rebuild or anything. It was meant as downside for choosing the red button, otherwise there would be even less players who pick up the blue or green option. We don't see the Geth dying, because the writers wanted to satisfy every one and decided to censor every negative consequence of the player's choice. There is no "bad" ending.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 12 décembre 2012 - 01:47 .

[Kingthlayer]

I like the option of killing all Geth. Now just if there was an option to wipe out the Asari, or at least Liara. My main Shepard has been sitting in Mass Effect 2 waiting for the option to kill her so that I can finish my kill all alien play through.

[Pedrak]

There are people who claim Refusal does not imply the death of millions, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised that even among us Destroyers some are in denial and let their wishes and dreams shape their ideal ending, rather than what's stated in the game.

Modifié par Pedrak, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:37 .

[Tootles FTW]

I'm not disputing that it was their intent. I'm disputing that it is something my brain can accept. It's obvious to me that the Geth/EDI caveat was thrown in with Destroy purely to make the other options more viable, otherwise everyone would be choosing Destroy.
I reject this herp-derp BS to preserve my peace of mind.

[TK514]

I always figured it was accepted that the currently active Geth were all rendered non-functional, but that a new generation could be brought online within weeks. Nothing suggests that the hardware is irreparable, since effected synthetics don't suddenly detonate like a Michael Bay film. Get Xen to write some new motive code and, BAM!, easy bake slave race just waiting for Mourning War II.

A question for Pedrak: What can change the nature of a man?

[JackBravo69]

Oh hell yeah they die. My "alternate" Shep left half the galaxy a wasteland. He sabotaged the genophage, let the Geth VI destroy the quarians and then picked destroy and there was nothing but joy in his last thoughts before blowing up as he knew all the machines were going bye bye.

It went kinda like this:

KID: "yes but all synthetics will die"
Shep: "AWESOME ENDING!!!!!!"

Shoots destroy thing: PROFIT!
Oh and the rachni got terminated too! Shep, such a nice guy! Oh and btw he survived!
So yeah, i sure as hell hope BW keeps the Geth dead!

[kobayashi-maru]

I didn't realise this was the debate, I thought the question as to whether they could be rebuilt was. As much as I like Edi and the Geth the sacrifice of them to save everyone else was worth it and I believe they would agree. But I do believe it was only those with reaper tech - which leads to question of what happens to the others other than Shep using reaper tech.

It's more poignant that the geth who where hated die to save everyone. There fighting on our side in war etc also helps and while its obvious the original organic vs synthetic thing will reoccur in future it may be different. The geth will be rebuilt but no longer treated like slaves, synthetics would get more respect and when they reach correct point synthesis may occur.

I don't hate idea of synthesis, I just believe destroy will lead to natural synthesis or at least in a gradual change towards it that species choose. The forced aspect of the ME3 synthesis ending is my issue, its essentially genetic rape of the entire galaxy.

[AlanC9]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Not true they are the sum of their parts while organics are not. If you got every iota of EDI's programs including "her" updates on backup then EDI would be recreated exactly as she was. The geth are even less sophisticated and would obviously revert to pre-reaper code version.

Umm..... the whole point of the way Bio set up AIs is the ME universe was that you can't restore an AI from backup. You can't record the quantum state, so the re-created AI is different. You've read the Codex entry, right?

I agree that this does not apply to pre-Rannoch geth, though.

And why aren't organics the sum of their parts?

[DeinonSlayer]

JackBravo69 wrote...

Oh hell yeah they die. My "alternate" Shep left half the galaxy a wasteland. He sabotaged the genophage, let the Geth VI destroy the quarians and then picked destroy and there was nothing but joy in his last thoughts before blowing up as he knew all the machines were going bye bye.

It went kinda like this:

KID: "yes but all synthetics will die"
Shep: "AWESOME ENDING!!!!!!"

Shoots destroy thing: PROFIT!
Oh and the rachni got terminated too! Shep, such a nice guy! Oh and btw he survived!
So yeah, i sure as hell hope BW keeps the Geth dead!

Even my FailShep wasn't that much of a psychopath.

[FlyingSquirrel]

MisterJB wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Why did no one colonize Rannoch? I assume it has resources if the geth were capable of building a fleet.

Respect?  Also the only species capable of using it is the Turians, and they would be busy rebuilding their empire, not worried about colonizing 

When was the last time sentient beings chose respect over resources?

And resources like metal or eezo, necessary to build a fleet, can be used by anyone, not just dextro acid based lifeforms. Resources that would help rebuild an empire.

I think the EC is meant to show the immediate aftermath. Somebody might colonize Rannoch eventually, but they may have trouble even getting there at first until the relays are repaired.

[DeinonSlayer]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Why did no one colonize Rannoch? I assume it has resources if the geth were capable of building a fleet.

Respect?  Also the only species capable of using it is the Turians, and they would be busy rebuilding their empire, not worried about colonizing 

When was the last time sentient beings chose respect over resources?

And resources like metal or eezo, necessary to build a fleet, can be used by anyone, not just dextro acid based lifeforms. Resources that would help rebuild an empire.

I think the EC is meant to show the immediate aftermath. Somebody might colonize Rannoch eventually, but they may have trouble even getting there at first until the relays are repaired.

I don't see any plant life in that slide, do you? Everything in sight is dead. With both the quarians and geth extinct, the plant life dies out too. It was dependent on large animals for pollination - a task the Geth took over after nearly destroying the planet's ecosphere three centuries ago. The Turians can't colonize it as a dextro world because a good deal of the remaining plant and animal life dies out.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:31 .

[Kel Riever]

The catalyst is stupid.

And it is even more dumb that someone would think the catalyst would make for a good story ending.

[BatmanTurian]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

devSin wrote...

You're free to interpret the ending in this manner if you choose.

But you can dispense with your authoritarian tone. BioWare has declared that you can make up whatever the hell you want about the ending, and it will be true. So your "once and for all" nonsense is just useless antagonism.

I usually try to avoid using an authoritarian tone, but I decided that this time people needed a reality check.

Also, I find it amusing that the one time I decide to sound "authoritarian", I get called out on it. All the while, the BSN revels in its groupthink, declaring that Control and Synthesis fans are morally bankrupt.

Yeah, unfortunately, your biggest proponents for them are.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
I don't see any plant life in that slide, do you? Everything in sight is dead. With both the quarians and geth extinct, the plant life dies out too. It was dependent on large animals for pollination - a task the Geth took over after nearly destroying the planet's ecosphere three centuries ago. The Turians can't colonize it as a dextro world because a good deal of the remaining plant and animal life dies out.

I don't think all plant life would go extinct. Earth has plants that don't require insects for pollination. Anyway, the planet could still be colonized. See, for instance, Joab.

Modifié par AlanC9, 12 décembre 2012 - 05:38 .

[NYG1991]

Even in the destroy ending I'm sure there's a geth hunter or combat drone stun locking someone in the galaxy

[garrusfan1]

I always knew the geth and EDI die in destroy ending but all tech doesn't get destroyed or even damaged. The relays get damaged but most tech isn't even affected. While I always supported geth and EDI in the game I always choose destroy since that is my only ending.