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[xFCx Shade]

capn233 wrote...

Weird that console guys decided to proclaim how they were better because of inferior controls, despite this being a topic about the Turian Saboteur.

He isn't the greatest character ever, but that is because he has two underwhelming powers that could easily be fixed if they have the will to do so. All the pets, but especially Sentry Turret are mediocre to poor. Sabotage is skewed because it used to only be on the QFI who could bend it with Tac Cloak.

I made him semi-decent by deleting Turret and running Typhoon X and Scorpion w/ ULM. Sabotage has an ok cooldown that way, and you don't need to spam it when you can spam bullets. If you don't like the Typhoon take some other (better) weapon.

This is incorrect. We suggested handing him a controller to see if he does as good as he does on PC. No such claims were made.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

Does it really matter anymore i mean this game is dying, it had a good life.

I mean lets be honest there is nothing spectacular about any of the weekly kits, this was known b4 they even came out.

I logged over 1k hours and it's safe to say i am burnt the hell out on this game, and none of the new kits are gonna change that especially since none of them have that "WOW" factor.

I'm now content just doing operations and collecting the new kits, other than that my playtime has pretty much ceased. ... of course gamefly sending me Dishonored today will take its place

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[synapsefire]

iloveexplosives wrote...

Why does every one have to act like their opinion is the only one ether you like it and are good with it or you don't like it. Stop acting like your opinion is the only one and just play the game.

Can I don't like it and be agood with it? 

[stysiaq]

I'd say he would be great with BPP.

[TheCandlejack]

stysiaq wrote...

I'd say he would be great with BPP.

If BioWare ever gives us that gun <_<

[TheCandlejack]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Yes, but some classes make the game even easier. Case in point, the GI.

 

Every class makes this game incredibly easy if you have a working brain and halfway decent hand-eye coordination. 

I'm aware, any class can work. What I'm saying are the typically more powerful classes (TGI, GI, Destroyer, Fury etc.) make it even more incredibly easy.

 

And here was me thinking you were a good player. 

Guess I was mistaken.

<_< I'm a lowly console scrub anyways, so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't care much for the TGI or Destroyer, I find them to be boring classes that are overused.

Modifié par TheCandlejack, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[iloveexplosives]

synapsefire wrote...

iloveexplosives wrote...

Why does every one have to act like their opinion is the only one ether you like it and are good with it or you don't like it. Stop acting like your opinion is the only one and just play the game.

Can I don't like it and be agood with it? 

maybe.....

[UnknownMercenary]

I used him for a round. I didn't want to waste my last respec card to get rid of the default point in sentry turret.

He was kind of underwhelming. I went 3/6/6/6/5, setting off tech bursts with Sabotage -> Homing Grenade but using my gun most of the time. Felt like playing the FQI to me, but without Tactical Cloak to help with the bad damage and cooldown on Sabotage.

Maybe somebody will figure out a fun way to play him, like with some of the other extra Retaliation kits, but first impressions are not good.

[DeadeyeCYclops]

[quote]xFCx Shade wrote...


The truth. I'm assuming the PC is much easier to control than console controllers. Keyboard/Mouse > Controller in easy mode in my opinion.

[/quote]

Even if that's the case (and it isn't), we're playing easy mode because we're not bound by inferior controls for a shooter? That's some assbackwards logic right there.

[/quote]
Opinions. I've played approx. an equal amount of time on X360 and a PC, and I find the PC to be much easier. Thanks for trying, though.
Edit: Apologies for the missing quote boxes and such. iPods can be a pain.[/quote]





Deadeye Cyclops:

From the videos i have seen of PC games it does look  MANY times easier to play than my ps3 port, mainly because they  turn 180degrees or more on a dime,  playing a melee build on pc looks like a infant could do it.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other or start a flame war, but yeah  from the outside lookin in, PC version's videos give the impression, that the faster turning makes the game much much much easier

Modifié par DeadeyeCYclops78, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[xFCx Shade]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I used him for a round. I didn't want to waste my last respec card to get rid of the default point in sentry turret.

He was kind of underwhelming. I went 3/6/6/6/5, setting off tech bursts with Sabotage -> Homing Grenade but using my gun most of the time. Felt like playing the FQI to me, but without Tactical Cloak to help with the bad damage and cooldown on Sabotage.

Maybe somebody will figure out a fun way to play him, like with some of the other extra Retaliation kits, but first impressions are not good.

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

Modifié par xFCx Shade, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Alijah Green]

Stardusk wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

I may be missing something, but...doesn't Sabotage prime a tech explosion while also increasing the direct damage of the next few tech powers? And isn't homing grenade a tech power that can detonate and is CD independent?

It looks to me like this character has an incredibly reliable power damage combo--two damaging powers, a debuff, and a tech explosion--that only requires one CD, meaning you can bring heavyish weapons. Sentry turret may or may not be the weak link, but CD independence + burst damage combo + debuff is usually pretty good news, right? That plus the dodges makes a decent kit against any faction, at least on paper...

Or am I missing something?

Sabotage sets up Tech Bursts and Homing Nades detonate. The Tech Vulnerability evo on Sabotage enhances the damage your Grenades can inflict, and helps with the Tech Bursts as well.

This has never been confirmed by the number crunchers. You don't get tech kills for homing grenades afaik.

oh they have confirmed it is a tech (its not a biotic what else would it be) read a little more post on the turian to find out..... 0 fitness.  the fact you didn't mention your build is telling to say the least, even your cohorts said you are doing it wrong.

Maybe he needs TC for you to feel better about him

[Kenadian]

[quote]DeadeyeCYclops78 wrote...

[quote]xFCx Shade wrote...


The truth. I'm assuming the PC is much easier to control than console controllers. Keyboard/Mouse > Controller in easy mode in my opinion.

[/quote]

Even if that's the case (and it isn't), we're playing easy mode because we're not bound by inferior controls for a shooter? That's some assbackwards logic right there.

[/quote]
Opinions. I've played approx. an equal amount of time on X360 and a PC, and I find the PC to be much easier. Thanks for trying, though.
Edit: Apologies for the missing quote boxes and such. iPods can be a pain.[/quote]





Deadeye Cyclops:

From the videos i have seen of PC games it does look  MANY times easier to play than my ps3 port, mainly because they  turn 180degrees or more on a dime,  playing a melee build on pc looks like a infant could do it.

I'm not trying to say one is better than the other or start a flame war, but yeah  from the outside lookin in, PC version's videos give the impression, that the faster turning makes the game much much much easier

[/quote]

"Easier" isn't how I would describe it. "Not plagued by **** controls and auto-aim" would be more accurate. It allows you to play to your own ability much more effectively. It's not "easier" for us, we're not getting assists. We're just not hamstrung.

[UnknownMercenary]

xFCx Shade wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I used him for a round. I didn't want to waste my last respec card to get rid of the default point in sentry turret.

He was kind of underwhelming. I went 3/6/6/6/5, setting off tech bursts with Sabotage -> Homing Grenade but using my gun most of the time. Felt like playing the FQI to me, but without Tactical Cloak to help with the bad damage and cooldown on Sabotage.

Maybe somebody will figure out a fun way to play him, like with some of the other extra Retaliation kits, but first impressions are not good.

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

I don't see why you mentioned scores?

I did just fine with him too. He's not fun to play for me, and that's what matters. Stick a good enough weapon on a character and you can score high regularly with it. FWIW I don't like the FQI that much either.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 12 décembre 2012 - 04:58 .

[Stardusk]

xFCx Shade wrote...

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I used him for a round. I didn't want to waste my last respec card to get rid of the default point in sentry turret.

He was kind of underwhelming. I went 3/6/6/6/5, setting off tech bursts with Sabotage -> Homing Grenade but using my gun most of the time. Felt like playing the FQI to me, but without Tactical Cloak to help with the bad damage and cooldown on Sabotage.

Maybe somebody will figure out a fun way to play him, like with some of the other extra Retaliation kits, but first impressions are not good.

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

I played an all PUG match today with the Volus Sentinel and scored 140k+; what is your point? Score is not an indication that a class is good or not.

[Bhatair]

For once I don't even care, because I just have fun using him.

[Stardusk]

Alijah Green wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

I may be missing something, but...doesn't Sabotage prime a tech explosion while also increasing the direct damage of the next few tech powers? And isn't homing grenade a tech power that can detonate and is CD independent?

It looks to me like this character has an incredibly reliable power damage combo--two damaging powers, a debuff, and a tech explosion--that only requires one CD, meaning you can bring heavyish weapons. Sentry turret may or may not be the weak link, but CD independence + burst damage combo + debuff is usually pretty good news, right? That plus the dodges makes a decent kit against any faction, at least on paper...

Or am I missing something?

Sabotage sets up Tech Bursts and Homing Nades detonate. The Tech Vulnerability evo on Sabotage enhances the damage your Grenades can inflict, and helps with the Tech Bursts as well.

This has never been confirmed by the number crunchers. You don't get tech kills for homing grenades afaik.

oh they have confirmed it is a tech (its not a biotic what else would it be) read a little more post on the turian to find out..... 0 fitness.  the fact you didn't mention your build is telling to say the least, even your cohorts said you are doing it wrong.

Maybe he needs TC for you to feel better about him

LOL. Given your stalkeresque dislike for me I could have listed any build and you would have said the exact same thing. How do I know this? You claim to hate every post I make, ergo, anything I say will be seen as incorrect in your eyes, so my build was from the outset irrelevant.

[Feneckus]

xFCx Shade wrote...

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

I can score 130k without using a single power. I don't see your point.

[TheCandlejack]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Yes, but some classes make the game even easier. Case in point, the GI.

 

Every class makes this game incredibly easy if you have a working brain and halfway decent hand-eye coordination. 

I'm aware, any class can work. What I'm saying are the typically more powerful classes (TGI, GI, Destroyer, Fury etc.) make it even more incredibly easy.

 

And here was me thinking you were a good player. 

Guess I was mistaken.

<_< I'm a lowly console scrub anyways, so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't care much for the TGI or Destroyer, I find them to be boring classes that are overused.

 

Great players should not argue that classes x y z are easy mode. Great players will be able to make the vast majority of classes into engines of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. 

When I play the GI, I actually have to put effort in to make it work. That's not the definition of an easy mode class. It kills things super fast yes, but requires effort, good knowledge of survivability and excellent aim. Same with the Destroyer. 

Contrast that with classes such as the Batarian Soldier, the Drell Vanguard/Adept, Demolisher, QMI, Novaguard, Slayer, Kroguard, Valkyrie, etc.

For me, these are all classes I choose (except for the Kroguard/Valkyrie/Demolisher, which I very rarely play) when I want to relax and not have to think or concentrate while playing. If any classes make the game 'ridiculously easy', it is these ones. 

Okay, I concede. You got me there. I apologize for making snap assumptions about things.

[TheCandlejack]

Feneckus wrote...

xFCx Shade wrote...

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

I can score 130k without using a single power. I don't see your point.

[Stardusk]

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Yes, but some classes make the game even easier. Case in point, the GI.

 

Every class makes this game incredibly easy if you have a working brain and halfway decent hand-eye coordination. 

I'm aware, any class can work. What I'm saying are the typically more powerful classes (TGI, GI, Destroyer, Fury etc.) make it even more incredibly easy.

 

And here was me thinking you were a good player. 

Guess I was mistaken.

<_< I'm a lowly console scrub anyways, so my opinion doesn't matter. I don't care much for the TGI or Destroyer, I find them to be boring classes that are overused.

 

Great players should not argue that classes x y z are easy mode. Great players will be able to make the vast majority of classes into engines of DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM. 

When I play the GI, I actually have to put effort in to make it work. That's not the definition of an easy mode class. It kills things super fast yes, but requires effort, good knowledge of survivability and excellent aim. Same with the Destroyer. 

Contrast that with classes such as the Batarian Soldier, the Drell Vanguard/Adept, Demolisher, QMI, Novaguard, Slayer, Kroguard, Valkyrie, etc.

For me, these are all classes I choose (except for the Kroguard/Valkyrie/Demolisher, which I very rarely play) when I want to relax and not have to think or concentrate while playing. If any classes make the game 'ridiculously easy', it is these ones. 

Okay, I concede. You got me there. I apologize for making snap assumptions about things.

It would be nice if this thread could get back to the original point; what about his powers is so amazing? as an Engineer? Compare him to other Engineers; he has better weapon passives and jetboots. What else?

[Alijah Green]

Stardusk wrote...

Alijah Green wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

TheCandlejack wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

I may be missing something, but...doesn't Sabotage prime a tech explosion while also increasing the direct damage of the next few tech powers? And isn't homing grenade a tech power that can detonate and is CD independent?

It looks to me like this character has an incredibly reliable power damage combo--two damaging powers, a debuff, and a tech explosion--that only requires one CD, meaning you can bring heavyish weapons. Sentry turret may or may not be the weak link, but CD independence + burst damage combo + debuff is usually pretty good news, right? That plus the dodges makes a decent kit against any faction, at least on paper...

Or am I missing something?

Sabotage sets up Tech Bursts and Homing Nades detonate. The Tech Vulnerability evo on Sabotage enhances the damage your Grenades can inflict, and helps with the Tech Bursts as well.

This has never been confirmed by the number crunchers. You don't get tech kills for homing grenades afaik.

oh they have confirmed it is a tech (its not a biotic what else would it be) read a little more post on the turian to find out..... 0 fitness.  the fact you didn't mention your build is telling to say the least, even your cohorts said you are doing it wrong.

Maybe he needs TC for you to feel better about him

LOL. Given your stalkeresque dislike for me I could have listed any build and you would have said the exact same thing. How do I know this? You claim to hate every post I make, ergo, anything I say will be seen as incorrect in your eyes, so my build was from the outset irrelevant.

lol I don't hate (just a new thread title meme you just came to mind) I did put in lol for sarcasm I guess that's harded through ether but you build are lacking a bit much.  

[DeadeyeCYclops]

you really expected a thread about opinions to stay on topic.... Stardusk... come on bro... lol

[xFCx Shade]

TheCandlejack wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

xFCx Shade wrote...

I pull 130k average in a gold match with this character. I don't see your point.

I can score 130k without using a single power. I don't see your point.

A good weapon is all you really need.