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[o Ventus]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm sure they thought the same thing they did in terms of nearly all the other ME2 squad members: "They could be dead based on player choice, so let's not do that".

Then write the scene under the assumption that they are alive. If they aren't, then just restrict that content. Before someone tells me that isn't fair, this is hardly the first time Bioware has punished "wrong"decisions. Nevermind that a heavy majority of players have a "perfect" playthrough (even if that isn't their personal canon).

[o Ventus]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

I don't actually understand that train of thought....why? Miranda's Cerberus....quit or not, she is still Cerberus in the Alliance's eyes. The Normandy is now an Alliance vessel, why would they want Miranda on board? I don't believe the Alliance would trust her at all.

And? F**k the Alliance. Shepard is a Spectre, and Shepard's word still holds weight. If Miranda were to be tried for anything, Shepard could get her off pretty muh scot-free (especially if romanced, think back to Tali's trial). Nevermind that if the Alliance is willing to accept Jacob, Brynn, Gavin Archer, and Oleg Petrovsky, then they will be fine with Miranda, unless they're okay with being the galaxy's biggest group of hypocrites. As Cerberus' 2IC, Miranda could provide them with intel known onl to her and TIM. If the Alliance had known she had quit (and confirmed her legitimacy), they would be retarded not to track her down and recruit her.

[David7204]

There would be a lot of problems with making DLC characters squadmates. If you think people complain about DLC being required to get the 'entire story' now, how badly do you think they would complain if an entire character was locked off because they didn't play DLC from the previous game?

What about players who just bought Zaeed? How are they supposed to feel now that they bought one of the characters for the same price, expecting the same content, and learn they get totally screwed over in ME 3 while players who bought Kasumi get several times the content?

Otherwise, I think Kasumi would be a good choice.

Modifié par David7204, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[Han Shot First]

Seifer006 wrote...

WREX

I like Wrex but as the supreme clan leader of Tuchanka he wouldn't have made much sense as a squaddie. If there was a Krogan squadmate, Grunt would have made more sense.

And I say that as someone who likes Wrex better than Grunt.

[David7204]

Grunt would have been a very poor choice. I'd put him near or at the bottom of the list.

[Seifer006]

Han Shot First wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

WREX

I like Wrex but as the supreme clan leader of Tuchanka he wouldn't have made much sense as a squaddie. If there was a Krogan squadmate, Grunt would have made more sense.

And I say that as someone who likes Wrex better than Grunt.

I still laugh at the "whole clan leader" argument, but that's just my opinion.

But definitely in agreement on the whole Grunt. Grunt is very available, who he's Aralakh's Commander & Shepard is his Battlemaster.

It's a perfect reunion & perfect oppotrunity for players to have there Krogan squad mate back. Vega has no quads and javik is day 1 dlc (which is bull**** imo)

and if Grunt's not alive, there's so many other squadmates out there...Jorgal Thurkak, Zaeed, Urdnot Dagg (grunt's replacement) etc...

*sigh* Wasted Potential IMO

[Linkenski]

Friggin all of them, and then throw EDI out of her sexbot suit. I understand why they chose to keep them from your squad, but after ME2, i really thought that all those people were gonna be my bros and hos forever.

[Uncle Jo]

o Ventus wrote...

Then write the scene under the assumption that they are alive. If they aren't, then just restrict that content. Before someone tells me that isn't fair, this is hardly the first time Bioware has punished "wrong"decisions. Nevermind that a heavy majority of players have a "perfect" playthrough (even if that isn't their personal canon).

Indeed, I wonder how many players didn't recruit or let Grunt, Legion, Mordin, Thane, Samara or even Miranda die. But no, let's have the meatbag, the iGN-journalist and the whiny pilot instead. Ironically the ME2 squademates were the best thing of the game, and in the next installment they're reduced to cameos or die.

Oh and you were right about Grunts and Mirandas stories. They're the same, it's just that I'm little biased about every thing concerning the baby Krogan.

[Silcron]

Zaeed

[David7204]

Gosh, it's so good to see that people are using through reasoning and thinking things through here.

[vliktor]

1. Miranda - lore-wise, she'd be the best bet. Her quitting Cerberus should have changed her, made her start wearing alliance colors, help redeem herself? and help Shepard, esp. since I ROMANCED HER LIKE, TWICE.
2. Jack - same as Miranda (esp. if she's your LI), but she does have a biotic death squad to take care of.
3. Grunt - I wouldn't complain, since Shepard is his/her battlemaster!! Graaaaahhh! KROGAN SMASH!

For the rest..

- Samara >> she's a justicar, and she was done with her oath after you took down the collector base, no reason to stay behind.
- Morinth >> she deserved the banshee treatment (she is a murderous psychopath, after all), but they could've really expounded on this further.
- Legion >> while he is no doubt very cool.. i don't think the alliance would be OK with the geth on the normandy, even after the heretic geth v.s. true geth reveal.
- Mordin >> he's salarian; he's past 40 yrs old, his role with STG in the game was OK.. but he really deserves a beach with seashells... not pointless death.
- Jacob >> yeah, whoever romanced him got shafted. He may be former alliance, but i never really liked him, personality or combat-wise. lorewise, it'd make sense if he was a squaddie.
- Zaeed >> he's Zaeed, a bad-ass, a hired gun, makes sense if he was just there temporarily, but not full time.
- Kasumi >> see Zaeed, she was a scaredy cat anyway, but I liked her. plus the alliance probably has her name on some wanted lists...
- Thane >> guy has Kepral's syndrome. nuff said.

/flamearmor on...

I personally wanted TALI replaced. I'm sorry, but I just do not like her character, she's just so full of whine.. WHINE this WHINE that. her loyalty mission on ME2 made me want to throw her out of the airlock for being so full of WHINE.

//flamearmor off

Now Garrus.. I like the guy.. but after reading the Shadow Broker's files on him, I agreed that he has exceptional command ability but is just being overshadowed by shepard. He should've stayed on Palaven and had a high position in the hierarchy. I'd accept him as a temporary squadmate, but I really feel that he has a better place with the turian military/command structure.

Liara.. love her as an LI, but she's honestly the worst shadow broker, ever. your whole squad, Hackett, her "daddy" (Aethyta), and possibly the asari leadership already know her secret. WTF? she's ok on the normandy, but man... she needs to work on her shadow broker skills.

Modifié par vliktor, 12 décembre 2012 - 11:20 .

[Uncle Jo]

David7204 wrote...

There would be a lot of problems with making DLC characters squadmates. If you think people complain about DLC being required to get the 'entire story' now, how badly do you think they would complain if an entire character was locked off because they didn't play DLC from the previous game?

What about players who just bought Zaeed? How are they supposed to feel now that they bought one of the characters for the same price, expecting the same content, and learn they get totally screwed over in ME 3 while players who bought Kasumi get several times the content?

Otherwise, I think Kasumi would be a good choice.

You get Zaeed for free and not every one was fond of him (I was though). For Kasumi it would have been problematic, that I admit.
But all the others were in the game and I still prefer one, two or even three characters locked, as absolutely no one as squademate, while I spent the whole second game to solve their personal problems and build relationships with them.

[Shaleist]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

Grunt could have been Wrex/Wreav saying "Look Shepard, I can't go with you, but your mission is too important to not have a Krogan on board. I'm sending one that you already work well with."
.

IF DEV WERE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF THINKING

I'm sure they thought the same thing they did in terms of nearly all the other ME2 squad members: "They could be dead based on player choice, so let's not do that".

Yeah.  I know you said ' nearly all' but that didn't go through their mind at all. otherwise garrus and tali woulnd't be me3 squaddies.  It was purely popularity weighted against rushed timelines and laziness.  Don't give them the 'free ticket out' that didn't amount to squat as proven my Mr. Vakarian and Mrs. Vaz Normandy.

[o Ventus]

Lathrim wrote...

I disagree. Miranda doesn't regret being a Cerberus Operative. She left because The Illusive Man was taking the organization on a path she did not believe to be correct, thus found herself unwilling to keep obeying his commands. But all she did in the name of Cerberus before that? I am fairly certain she believes that while there were mistakes (Jack and Akuze, for examples), overall it was the correct thing to do. Not to mention she disagrees with the Alliance's methods, and the huge amount of bureocracy and rules that would refrain her from doing what needs to be done.

If there's something about her BioWare did right in ME3, this is most definitely it IMO.

This. In hindsight, it would seem Miranda was in some denial about Cerberus (turns out they aren't morally grey pro-human advocates as much as they are the Sith Empire), especially after listening to her explanations of the husks, rachni and thorium creepers (though she does raise good points).

Modifié par o Ventus, 12 décembre 2012 - 11:18 .

[MKfighter89]

Miranda

[Seifer006]

Silcron wrote...

Zaeed

Huge Zaeed fan

[StayFrosty05]

ZacTB wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

I don't actually understand that train of thought....why? Miranda's Cerberus....quit or not, she is still Cerberus in the Alliance's eyes. The Normandy is now an Alliance vessel, why would they want Miranda on board? I don't believe the Alliance would trust her at all.

I don't think they have a choice really, and it's not like they are keeping tabs on Shepard. They didn't realise EDI was AI and I am sure they could trust Shepard, plus there is a massive war going on. Shepard was Cerberus but they took him back, and there was a high chance Cerberus could have installed a control chip or something like that. But they do trust Shepard and his decisions on who to take with him. 

o Ventus wrote...

And? F**k the Alliance. Shepard is a
Spectre, and Shepard's word still holds weight. If Miranda were to be
tried for anything, Shepard could get her off pretty muh scot-free
(especially if romanced, think back to Tali's trial). Nevermind that if
the Alliance is willing to accept Jacob, Brynn, Gavin Archer, and Oleg
Petrovsky, then they will be fine with Miranda, unless they're okay with
being the galaxy's biggest group of hypocrites. As Cerberus' 2IC,
Miranda could provide them with intel known onl to her and TIM. If the
Alliance had known she had quit (and confirmed her legitimacy), they
would be retarded not to track her down and recruit her.

You both make good points...Though do you think Miranda could be completely trusted not to still be Cerberus? Cerberus is doing their best to shut Shep down in in ME3, if they had someone still in their ranks on the sly with Sheps trust...I am not saying Miranda is, I am just putting the thought out there as a concept, not argument.

[Seifer006]

Shaleist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

Rauhel wrote...

Grunt could have been Wrex/Wreav saying "Look Shepard, I can't go with you, but your mission is too important to not have a Krogan on board. I'm sending one that you already work well with."
.

IF DEV WERE TO HAVE THIS KIND OF THINKING

I'm sure they thought the same thing they did in terms of nearly all the other ME2 squad members: "They could be dead based on player choice, so let's not do that".

Yeah.  I know you said ' nearly all' but that didn't go through their mind at all. otherwise garrus and tali woulnd't be me3 squaddies.  It was purely popularity weighted against rushed timelines and laziness.  Don't give them the 'free ticket out' that didn't amount to squat as proven my Mr. Vakarian and Mrs. Vaz Normandy.

lets not forget the bull**** liara has...