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[GlobularFoody]

So, I've been playing BG2 again since finishing DA and I couldn't help but think. How much do you think Bioware would have cut out of the game and sold as DLC, if it were released today? I'm going to say at least 25% due to the game's size. Of course, you wouldn't HAVE to get if you didn't want to pay...right?

[elys]

I don't know about that. However I know that if a remake of the Baldur's Gate saga was made using 3D, voice over, cutscenes,  without the need at all to change the story, dialogs, just the same thing but with a modern engine, I would buy it at once even if I already own all the BG stuff already.
Sadly this won't happen

[urielpie]

i couldnt play bg series for long too much to do so little to look at id be fine with an upgrade to nwn1 graphs course

[Skellimancer]

urielpie wrote...

i couldnt play bg series for long too much to do so little to look at id be fine with an upgrade to nwn1 graphs course

nwn1 graphics would be a downgrade.

[MerinTB]

I dunno, Watcher's Keep (or whatever that place was) seemed like "cut" content to me that was added to Throne of Bhaal.



*shrug*



Here's a question - how many people would pay like $20, even now, for Obsidian to release a patch that made KotOR 2 what they were designing it to be? The patch would almost be an expansion pack for how much would be put back in the game - more than any of the Restoration Projects have done.



People whine if a game is never released. People whine if a game is released unfinished and you never get the finished polish without fan-mods (or no fan-mods at all.) People whine if a game is finished but is short. People whine if a game is finished, isn't short, but doesn't use the game mechanics they prefer. People whine if a finished game is released, but content had to be cut and that content is never made available. People whine if a finished game is released, but they also release previously cut but now restored content for an additional fee to pay for the extra work finishing that content. People whine if there's DLC that's not story. People whine if there's DLC that is story but is only an hour or so. People whine that there is any kind of DLC because they prefer expansions. People whine there's an expansion but it's not going to be as long as they'd like it to be. People whine because the expansion is coming, but it costs more than CRPG expansions did 3 or more years ago.



People whine, period.

[AmstradHero]

To be honest, I don't get the fascination with remaking old games. We can still play the old game, exactly as it was. I enjoyed it that way when it was released, and I can happily enjoy it now the same way. I don't need the fancy new graphics and engines and what not... and since people who want to remake these old games in new engines frequently whine about how "game makers don't understand what makes a game fun, they care more about fancy graphics..."



Wait... but you're porting an existing game to a new engine because it has fancier graphics and... oh...

[elys]

Not for me. While I did enjoy it greatly when it was released, and while I still replay it sometimes the fun is less, because I do enjoy playing on larger screen with decent resolution. Playing an old SVGA game on big widescreen is ugly.

Now with a remake I could enjoy my favorite companions or npc with full voice over dialogues, lyp-syncing, phys-x effects, zoom in or out, rotate the camera, better global animations and so on, all what modern engine and game productions allows while still enjoying what made Baldur's Gate a great game, it's story and character interaction.

Basically bringing the best of the past with the best of the present .

[Seagloom]

I have to agree with AmstradHero. With the exception of truly ancient and difficult to acquire games, I rarely see the point of a remake or re-release that doesn't come across as a cash grab. It is one thing to remake an old game that's hard to find or had a small audience at the time of its original release. It is quite another to revisit a commercially successful game that can still be easily found like BG2.

As to the OP's question, I believe BG2 would be impossible today. Potential parceling of areas through DLC aside, much of BG2 lacked vocals. There was a fair amount of text, and if all of that had to be voiced, the budget would probably be obscene. That is one thing I miss about BG2. It felt meatier in some ways, and I think that is in part because VO overhead was not nearly as high.

I simply cannot see BG2 as it exists, being a plausible release from a major developer in today's market. It would be a bigger undertaking than Dragon Age, and Dragon Age is massive by modern gaming standards. The technology is not in the same sweet spot the Infinity Engine was back then, and costs would be way too prohibitive.

Modifié par Seagloom, 06 janvier 2010 - 10:58 .

[Ponce de Leon]

A modded Baldur's Gate (1) has already gained enough potential. There is no need for a remake of the game.
I mean, apart from graphics and a 3D look, would you really mess up with a game like this :

to become a game like this :

?

As I said, mods do already a good job. And even without them, vanilla BG1 is a greatly playable game. God, I think I completed BG1 over 30 times, perhaps even 40 by now, and it doesn't bother me one bit.

Edit :



This is vanilla BG1, patched up and no mods at all. Can you kill DRIZZT in Dragon Age? I think not!  

Also, would like to clear out that by the way I said it, I sound like I didn't like DA:O. Far from it, I like it.

Modifié par dark-lauron, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:48 .

[Skellimancer]

I still prefer 2D especially for combat like Baldur's Gate although TOEE used 3d and 2d very well. i can only imagine how better they could make the games look today.

[Skellimancer]

Maviarab wrote...

See your using the Widescreen mod too Skelli

its a great mod although my widescreen monitor just died, lol.

So i am back to my trusty old monitor

[MerinTB]

dark-lauron wrote...
A modded Baldur's Gate (1) has already gained enough potential. There is no need for a remake of the game.

I mostly agree with this.  In the past certain "upgrades" to games were well worth it.  Leisure Suit Larry and Space Quest from their original CGA releases to VGA updates were well worth it.  Elite to Elite Plus.  Ultima 1.  You get the picture.

But from about 2000 to now, unless there's a reason to switch from top-down to first person (for most games I don't see it) I don't think you'd add enough to re-release many games.  I could be wrong, proven wrong by something done amazingly well, who knows?

As I said, mods do already a good job. And even without them, vanilla BG1 is a greatly playable game. God, I think I completed BG1 over 30 times, perhaps even 40 by now, and it doesn't bother me one bit.

This is where i have to disagree.  BG1 is one of the FEW Black Isle/Bioware games that I've never finished.  I got it when it came out.  I've tried over the years, unmodded and modded, probably a half-dozen times to get into the game and just cannot.  I also couldn't get into PST, but I bought that one years after it was released.  I did manage to force myself through NWN's OC after trying about 5 times as well.  Arcanum I didn't finish when I first bought it, but a few years later I tried again and burned through it. *shrug*

I don't know what it is about BG1, other than I am sick-to-death of Candlekeep.

Modifié par MerinTB, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:02 .

[Skellimancer]

MerinTB wrote...



This is where i have to disagree.  BG1 is one of the FEW Black Isle/Bioware games that I've never finished.  I got it when it came out.  I've tried over the years, unmodded and modded, probably a half-dozen times to get into the game and just cannot.  I also couldn't get into PST, but I bought that one years after it was released.  I did manage to force myself through NWN's OC after trying about 5 times as well.  Arcanum I didn't finish when I first bought it, but a few years later I tried again and burned through it. *shrug*

I don't know what it is about BG1, other than I am sick-to-death of Candlekeep.

I know what you mean, except i can only get into BG1.

I have a real hard time getting into BG2, namely because i don't give two hoots about saving Imoen or going to find the nutcase who imprisoned me, especially since he took nothing from me at the start except my items.

The Imoen dreams are so annoying.

Modifié par Skellimancer, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:20 .

[MerinTB]

Skellimancer wrote...

I know what you mean, except i can only get into BG1.

I have a real hard time getting into BG2, namely because i don't give two hoots about saving Imoen or going to find the nutcase who imprisoned me, especially since he took nothing from me at the start except my items.

The Imoen dreams are so annoying.

To me BG2 had better companion interactions, a faster-paced story (though by no means fast-paced), and quicker, more intuitive, more fun gameplay.

But, yes, I found it hard to care about Irenicus other than just wanting to shut up that whiney fruit.  Honestly, casting Bill Warner was about the best thing they could do for such an unimpressive villain.

I never got to the main baddie in BG1 so I have no idea if he was more impressive.  I met him in Throne of Bhaal, but he seemed something of a chump there.

That female vampire leader was cool in BG2, though, as was many of the non-main-story stuff.

But I get you on BG2.

[elys]

Seagloom wrote...
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I simply cannot see BG2 as it exists, being a plausible release from a major developer in today's market. It would be a bigger undertaking than Dragon Age, and Dragon Age is massive by modern gaming standards. The technology is not in the same sweet spot the Infinity Engine was back then, and costs would be way too prohibitive.

Yup, I think the same than you, why I said at the end of my first post that sadly it won't happen.
But in theory I would love such remake, that's what I meant.

dark-lauron wrote...
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I mean, apart from graphics and a 3D look,.....

That's exactly what I would like to be updated. The same old BG2 with modern PC capabilities.

BTW I use BG tweaks and mod. I also visit  the Pocket Plane Group and The Gibberlings Three forums (but I've never posted there)

[Vaeliorin]

*shrug* The only thing I'd like to see updated about any of the IE games is to have a non-crappy ruleset (I hate 2E D&D), but most people would probably disagree with me.