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[someguy1231]

Wulfram wrote...
But I don't think creating content and deliberately excluding characters with romances in the name of some weird sense of fairness really makes much sense.

How does it not make sense? The entire point of choice and consequences is that some content should be available only to players who make certain choices. A big reason ME3 got such a hostile response is that they severely ignored or downplayed this. Legion died or sold to Cerberus? No problem, here's a Geth VI that's almost exactly like him. Grunt died or never released? Here's a bland krogan from nowhere who will die anyway to fill his same role. Mordin died? Here's Not-Mordin doing the exact same thing. Bioware has been forgetting about the entire purpose behind choice in RPGs. Rewarding the player for a choice that they haven't been rewarded for in previous games would be a good start toward emphasizing that premise again. Besides, if LGBT players and players with a thing for interspecies romance can be catered to, then so should players who would prefer to remain chaste for whatever reason.

[frankf43]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Um, sure. An achievement for remaining chaste sounds fine.

I'm not sure why someone would give you an item just because you haven't hooked up, unless it's like a magical vibrator or something.

[Medhia Nox]

@LPPrince: If there are three romances and you pick one - aren't you avoiding the other two?

If you're a Renegade - aren't you avoiding being a Paragon?

You Rival Anders - aren't you avoiding Friendshipping Anders?

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The whole idea of choice is "avoidance" of the other option - if you get to do all of it... then there was never really any meaningful choice.

[BubbleDncr]

The best example I can come up with as a reward for not romancing someone is in ME2, if you don't romance someone, Mordin rejects you because he thinks you're interested in him.

Sure, you also get a hilarious conversation with him regarding your romance option if you are romancing someone, but on a similar level, I would be fine if the player who doesn't romance anyone gets an extra conversation with one of their party members to make up for the ones they miss out on if they don't romance anyone.

I see it as less of a reward, and more of giving them an equal amount of content- since people who do romance characters get more conversations and cutscenes as part of the romance.

[ObserverStatus]

Hey, if Bioware wants to add a "Date With Rosey Palms" achievement, I say have at it!

[Navasha]

TinuHawke wrote...

If you don't want to do romance, fine by me. I don't get why you should need a reward for it though.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to type.

[someguy1231]

LPPrince wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

If you don't want to do romance, fine by me. I don't get why you should need a reward for it though.

Because some people find them cheesy and shallow, or just want to roleplay a chaste hero for whatever reason.

Wouldn't the reward be denying yourself the cheesy and shallow content?

Exactly my thought process. I mean damn, why would anyone want a benefit/acknowledgement for purposefully AVOIDING content?

I can understand some, like avoiding killing a target or being stealthy, but avoiding a romance?

Thats just odd.

You always avoid content anyway by making any meaningful choice. If you choose to kill or not recruit a certain party member, then you're purposefully avoiding any further content with that party member. Avoiding romances in general is no less legitimate a choice.

[RogueWriter3201]

(*Chuckles*) Wait, wait. So you don't want to Romance anyone in BioWare games and you don't care for the content in general so you want some acknowledgement that you're special -via an achievement or some NPC patting you on the head- because of that? (*Pause*) Okay...

[Ghost Lightning]

bobobo878 wrote...

Hey, if Bioware wants to add a "Date With Rosey Palms" achievement, I say have at it!

If you wanna really spice things up, you can also invite Palmala Handerson.

[immanji]

i never dated anyone in the game LOL and ur right dangit! I want an achievement. deep thinker : ) dun need no 1 banner or something. LOL ; 0

[Fredward]

I never got the point of achievements really. Don't REALLY see why you'd want one for NOT doing something/someone but w/e.

[Pzykozis]

LPPrince wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

someguy1231 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

If you don't want to do romance, fine by me. I don't get why you should need a reward for it though.

Because some people find them cheesy and shallow, or just want to roleplay a chaste hero for whatever reason.

Wouldn't the reward be denying yourself the cheesy and shallow content?

Exactly my thought process. I mean damn, why would anyone want a benefit/acknowledgement for purposefully AVOIDING content?

I can understand some, like avoiding killing a target or being stealthy, but avoiding a romance?

Thats just odd.

Except thats the point. Its a choice you currently choose between content and no content, meaning that the content side always wins just by sheer fact that it adds more content to the game, this would be asking for an alternative path, a romance non-romance so to speak. Go drinking with a mate like Varric instead of having the romance thread play out with whoever you chose.

[David Gaider]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
Wouldn't the reward be denying yourself the cheesy and shallow content?

I'm afraid I'm with Allan on this one. Romances are already optional content, which you're under no obligation to use. The idea that we'd make extra content to reward people who don't want to use other content seems a little self-defeating. The non-romance content is the rest of the game.

You're welcome.

[Medhia Nox]

@Pzykosis: And what's wrong with that?

Aside from the fact that most gamers fulfill repressed needs through virtual sex hook ups.

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@David Gaider: 

So who wrote Wynne - cause that person should understand "why" it would be relevant to not have a romance.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[brushyourteeth]

syllogi wrote...

I don't necessarily need a reward, but scenes or a quest that happen only if you're not in a romance would be cool. Or getting a conversation and insight into a certain character only if you don't romance them...because they wouldn't share that info, or let the player character see them in that light, if they were being romanced. That sort of thing would be better than an achievement or item for me.

I agree with this. Some specific content for being unromanced would be cool. Even if it had just been Gamlen giving you a hard time about being a loner, or coming across a romanceable companion having an "if only" conversation about you with another companion later in the game.

My canon Hawke didn't romance anyone. True story.

[LPPrince]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@LPPrince: If there are three romances and you pick one - aren't you avoiding the other two?

 

The problem with that process is you are getting something out of it- a romance. You picked one out of three.

If you pick none, than you are missing out on ALL of them. And for some reason that should get someone recognition or acknowledgement?

Thats like

Achievement Unlocked 5G- Don't play the game

Achievement Unlocked 5G- Play the game without talking to anyone

Achievement Unlocked 5G- Play the game without going here and there

Achievement Unlocked 5G- Don't get this achievement(by the way you failed)

There's no gain to avoiding a romance. You're simply missing out on content and you get nothing out of it.

Now, can there be little things content-wise added for those who avoid romances? Like dialogue in game? Sure, I guess. But as far as weapons or achievements or someone saying, "Hey, GOOD FOR YOU MAN, YOU AVOIDED SEDUCING THESE FINE MEN AND WOMEN IN YOUR PARTY, HERE'S A PANINI"?

C'mon. 

If people don't like romancing people in Bioware games, that's cool. But I don't know why those people would expect anything for it.

[Medhia Nox]

@LPPrince: Perhaps because anyone who has achieved anything world altering in real life has put "romance" on the back burner. Don't blame me - blame reality.

I know this is "fantasy" - but asking for a representation of a truly mission oriented individual is in no way unreasonable. ((And that representation "could/should" include content befitting a more focused individual.))

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[LPPrince]

Isn't that what roleplaying is for? Just head-canon it.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Considering that all of the romances should be trollmances that end horribly, avoiding them somehow should be an extremely difficult achievement.

[ObserverStatus]

LPPrince wrote...
The problem with that process is you are getting something out of it- a romance. You picked one out of three.
If you pick none, than you are missing out on ALL of them. And for some reason that should get someone recognition or acknowledgement?
Thats like
Achievement Unlocked 5G- Don't play the game
Achievement Unlocked 5G- Play the game without talking to anyone
Achievement Unlocked 5G- Play the game without going here and there
Achievement Unlocked 5G- Don't get this achievement(by the way you failed)
There's no gain to avoiding a romance. You're simply missing out on content and you get nothing out of it.
Now, can there be little things content-wise added for those who avoid romances? Like dialogue in game? Sure, I guess. But as far as weapons or achievements or someone saying, "Hey, GOOD FOR YOU MAN, YOU AVOIDED SEDUCING THESE FINE MEN AND WOMEN IN YOUR PARTY, HERE'S A PANINI"?
C'mon. 
If people don't like romancing people in Bioware games, that's cool. But I don't know why those people would expect anything for it.

The best achievements in any game are always the unmarked ones, like the nuzlocke challenge in pokemon, or trying to beat Fallout without ever using any weapon but rocks, or paying the cap price for anything.

[Medhia Nox]

@LPPrince: Then why can't you headcanon romances too?  

((I'm NOT saying you should have to btw))

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[LPPrince]

Because Bioware wants romances in their games. I've easily headcanoned romances in games before(quick example, Serana in Skyrim's Dawnguard DLC, sort of a fling thing in my head), but Bioware puts some romance paths down so if I want to romance a character and they're available, I can do that.

My mind can take care of the blanks.

[Fredward]

OOOh! I know! There should be a TOGGLE for anti-achievements! Then you can get achievements for everything! Or nothing as it were. XD

[Medhia Nox]

@LPPrince: And now someone is asking if there's room for consideration of a focused individual not driven by virtual lust.

I'm not sure why you're protesting it.

Is it because "you" wouldn't choose it - so someone else should just "fill in the blanks"?