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[OverchargedTeslaCoil]

 I have played through the game once, as a male Shepard.

Now, I have decided to cross the gap and I am currently beginning a full ME-123 playthrough with a FemShep.

The only issue is, I can't decide who to romance! Augh! Help me, social.bioware!

Kaidan:

• Pros: He's a pretty cool dude. If I were a girl IRL, I'd probably date him. He'd be a guy you'd want to marry.
• Cons: Ironically, same as the pros. He's just too... you know, good-guy at times. He's so charming it's almost boring.

Liara:

• Pros: She's a genius, she's got a great personality, she's so "d'awww!" worthy, she's smoking hot, and she's blue.
• Cons: With utmost respect, she looks like a woman. While I have no issues whatsoever with the LGBT community, it's a bit strange talking about having kids with someone who looks the same gender as you. It's just a bit, erm, unsettling for me, and at times I can't take the romance arc seriously, even though I desperately want to.

Garrus:

• Pros: He's Garrus Vakarian.
• Cons: He wasn't an LI in Mass Effect 1, and it seems like he was never designed to be an LI, until BioWare caved to the fans in ME2 and made him one. Like I felt with Tali's romance arc, I'm afraid that Garrus just doesn't have the time to be developed to the extent like Kaidan and Liara's, and therefore won't be as satisfying in the end. (Tali's romance arc wasn't bad at all, mind you; Shepard just didn't seem quite as close to her at the end of it all like he did with Liara.)

Thanks for the assist! I would have posted in the Character Discussion forum, but that one's closed for some reason. (And no, you don't need to tell me about the reason, unless you really want to.)

[Phoenix_Fyre]

hmmm..... that's a good question

being a girl, my first run I made Kaidan as my LI for all the reasons you stated above. His backstory is rather interesting, I personally do not see any whinning, and he's the most.... rounded of all the characters?

He doesn't have any 'fix me' dramatic backstory.....

Now Liara.... I suppose if you want to have more.... indepth romance? I feel that Liara and Shep have more to build on through ME1 to ME2 and ME3.... if you have LOTSB it makes the Liara romance all the much more sweeter.

I hope this helps? LOL. I've done about 5 Shep/Kaidan runs 3 Femshep/Liara runs. I have 1 Maleshep/Ash and am working on a Maleshep/Liara run.

[someone else]

Kaidan...for greatest continuity through the triology - but femshep has fewer options than broshep, and none of the ME2 options really carry through to ME3 - Garrus is a great charactder, but the "romance" seems a little too much like buddy sex than a deep involvment...Liara's just works too well with my male sheps to make the switch credibly...

[Shinobu]

To get the most content, romance Kaidan in ME1, then Garrus in ME2. In ME3 you'll have to decide which one you like better.

If you want a "faithful" playthrough, I'd suggest Garrus.

[Janus Prospero]

OverchargedTeslaCoil wrote...

Garrus:

• Pros: He's Garrus Vakarian.
• Cons: He wasn't an LI in Mass Effect 1, and it seems like he was never designed to be an LI, until BioWare caved to the fans in ME2 and made him one. Like I felt with Tali's romance arc, I'm afraid that Garrus just doesn't have the time to be developed to the extent like Kaidan and Liara's, and therefore won't be as satisfying in the end. (Tali's romance arc wasn't bad at all, mind you; Shepard just didn't seem quite as close to her at the end of it all like he did with Liara.)

I personally found the Garrus romance in ME3 very satisfying. Out of all the LI other than Liara, you spend the most time with him during the game. There are also a lot of references to the romance outside of the typical romance scenes.

It does start out as buddy sex in ME2, but it has a good progression and growth through the last two games.

But yeah, if you date Kaiden in ME1 and move onto Garrus, prepare to break the poor Biotic's heart.

[thehomeworld]

Garrus he's totally worth it

[Ignatia]

 I think Garrus gets more screen time in ME3 (and obviously in 2). I've done 3 Kaidan runs and it is charming (excepting ME2...sigh:crying:). Doing a Garrus run now, and he is so loyal to femshep, that the whole friends with benefits intro is completely forgotten. If you like humor with your lovin' and a total bada*$, go with Garrus. If you want something more romantic go with Kaidan. Too conflicted? Try both (totally did not mean that dirty, at all:innocent:)

[NRieh]

Garrus has nice arc in ME3 and he has a lot of content (not to mention that you have him in squad asap after Liara). I'd never pick anything other than faithful to Kaidan femShep, but I understand why people like Garrusmance so much.

So - if you're looking for more content and nice and comforting arc - pick Garrus (if you have no xenophobic reasons to avoid him), if you're looking for something more complitacted and troubled, but yet rewarding and "closer to home"- pick Kaidan.

[Crypticqa]

For me, Garrus has way better romance than Kaidan. Shepard and Garrus felt like actual partners, while Shepard and Kaidan felt like they were still on the first date. Thats probably just me tho

And I kind of hate Liara so I really can't say anything to that.

Modifié par Crypticqa, 13 décembre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Kitten Tactics]

I went with Kaidan in 2007, but after subsequent playthroughs, it's impossible for me not to romance Liara every time. Even when I go in with the intent of romancing someone else.

[NRieh]

while Shepard and Kaidan felt like they were still on the first date. Thats probably just me tho

It's NOT "just you". One of biggest ME3 Kaidan issues... is that he is written "compatible" with hell lot of possible scenarios - fresh femShep, fresh mShep, faithful FemShep, cheating in ME2 femShep, import mShep(no mods). Which made a lot of his scenes much too "neutral". I know they tried hard to make difference, and some lines vary. But there are a lot of moments when I wanted to scream at my laptop something like "hello! Remember me? I'm woman you loved for 3 damn years, we are supposed to be together now! ". You need a really good imagination and strong headcanons to truly enjoy his romance, I'm afraid.

While ME3 Garrus arc can only exist if imported from ME2, he has no issues and no variations. And what is important - all of his common, non-romance stuff perfectly fits as part of romance arc.

[Yuqi]

Kaidan is so boring, so go with Liara or Garus.

[shepskisaac]

Alternative - do a Forever Alone Shep run.

[Mims]

Garrus hands down. ME3 marks him as one of the best romances in the game. And while you say 'not designed' as a LI as a bad thing, it actually works in his favor. He doesn't have a lot of the 'tropes' other bioware romances suffer simply because he was written as a character first, romance second.

[llandwynwyn]

Garrus' romance went from almost bad in ME2 ('though the last scene was sweet) to perfect in 3. Garrus and Shep trust each other, there is no bs drama and they finally feel like equals in ME3. If I knew, I'd romance him with all my characters.

[wolfsite]

Shepard/Garrus Romance is the best one honestly

ME1 you develop a good strong friendship (provided you actaully recruit him.... and shame on you if you don't)

ME2 the two of them get a little closer, Garrus is a bit uncomfortable but honestly would like to try at elast admitting Shepard is the closest thing he has to a friend.

ME3 you can see garus has become more confident in the relationship working and he is more comforting in many moments compared to other LI's (I loved his reactions in Leviathan DLC)

Honestly it has the most realistic progression for a romantic endeavor since it groes over the course of the trilogy.

[AlexMBrennan]

Which made a lot of his scenes much too "neutral".

Yeah, wouldn't want to waste those thousands of tracked variables on making romances continued from ME1 work properly. Much better to save them for important stuff and give everyone the same flirting, 1st date, 2nd date and pre-climax climax.

Face it, ME3 is designed as a stand-alone game. Your best bet is probably to pick whoever you want to romance in ME3 and not bother with ME1 and ME2 at all

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 13 décembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[madzilla84]

I feel like I need to stick up for the Kaidan romance because I had such a wonderful time with it in ME3 (and thought it was very sweet in ME1 too) - though for what it's worth my FemShep was loyal to him the whole way through. Really depends on what you're looking for in a romance, though! I know a lot of people didn't like the Horizon plotline with him/Ashley but I thought it gave their relationship a realistic feel and I loved how they came full circle by mid-ME3. His romance scenes in 3 are some of the best, second only to Liara probably, and the goodbyes with him are heartwrenching.

Garrus is certainly more popular by far, but I just felt I had to recommend what I found to be a wonderful romance with Kaidan.

[NRieh]

I know a lot of people didn't like the Horizon plotline with him/Ashley but I thought it gave their relationship a realistic feel and I loved how they came full circle by mid-ME3.

Well, Horizon scene may be frustraiting ( especially on 1st PT and after all the ME1 sweetness and short inro). But I don't see this plot moment as a problem itself - it did serve him well. It fits character, and I'm perfectly fine that man has his own thoughts and follows his own way instead of being "wow, Shepard, I'm yours".

Problem is not Horizon, but allmighty VS-syndrome, when 2 different ME1 characters start acting like one single person, share plotline, cut scenes and carry on till the very end of ME3. Fact that Kaidan had it little better than Ash and that in his case arc looks less stupid does not fix thing entirely. It's luck, that BW did manage to write separate romances after all.

His romance scenes in 3 are some of the best, second only to Liara probably, and the goodbyes with him are heartwrenching.

His romance scenes in ME3 all share same "superneutral" mode. And yes, I'm fully aware that it's Mr.Biotic Selfcontrol we're talking about - always calm, steady, supportive. So I don't expect him being hot macho or something like that. But footlocker+Ilos was 300% better than all of his ME3 romance content combined. Sbarge saves the day and does best he can, some phrases are placed well, but a lot of things still feel not quite right. There's no way reunion of those two could take place in Apollo's the way it happened for all types of romance.

And as for "main" scene itself.... I was kinda shocked to find out that it 100% repeats scene described in a second ME novel ( Sanders+Jiro, Grissom Academy, here is link to the piece of text I posted to our group). I always felt that it's kinda OOC for Alenko. Could be tolerable for fresh mShep, but loyal femShep? I know that sometimes people do same stuff, it's nothing supernatural. But placing same love scene, sharing design and character moves within same series, expecting that no one'd notice? Did not add warm feelings about ME3 scenes, really.

Yeah, wouldn't want to waste those thousands of tracked variables on making romances continued from ME1 work properly

Well, they gave us an buttshot close-up on recruiting to Normandy, and couple of extra lines 8P.... Like ones on Mars. Probably, the best written part of arc, by the way. Cerberus Scientists talk is also good(and, ironically, does not involve romance directly, though has small difference for romanced Shep).

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Liara is the best LI in the series IMHO. Voice actors Jennifer Hale and Alli Hillis have a great and natural chemistry they sound like that they're in the same room. The banter between them in Lair of the Shadow Broker is some dialogue of the best in the series, The lead in dialogue for the sex scenes in ME1 and ME 3 are just beautiful and delivered to near perfection.  

Garrus is the second best only because of the work in Mass Effect 3 to try and make it feel like a serious relationship and not just a one-night stand or buddy sex. The dialogue in ME3 is funny and sweet and the talk between them before Shepard meets Anderson on Earth is both funny and heartbreaking at the same time.

Kaiden is a bore. Sorry but he is. The only time I romanced with him was a xenophobic renegade FemShep who touch an alien with a ten-foot pole. After that I usally left Kaiden to die on Virmire.  

[Lolomlas]

Thane, it's true that he has little part in ME3, but god. How could you say no to those giant puppy eyes of his?

[WolfForce99]

Garrus.

[brad2240]

madzilla84 wrote...

I feel like I need to stick up for the Kaidan romance because I had such a wonderful time with it in ME3 (and thought it was very sweet in ME1 too) - though for what it's worth my FemShep was loyal to him the whole way through. Really depends on what you're looking for in a romance, though! I know a lot of people didn't like the Horizon plotline with him/Ashley but I thought it gave their relationship a realistic feel and I loved how they came full circle by mid-ME3. His romance scenes in 3 are some of the best, second only to Liara probably, and the goodbyes with him are heartwrenching.

Agreed on all counts. Kaiden has always been one of my favorite characters in the series and hands down my favorite romance for FemShep.

Liara is a little too overdone, too forced on the player for my tastes.

Garrus was sweet in ME2 but lost something for me in 3. I think he makes a better best bud than a LI.

Thane was a great character but his romance didn't interest me. Too much of a "doomed from the start" feel I guess.

Jacob... well, he is the only character I have ever backed out of a romance with.

There's also Traynor, who is a good character in her own right (and that voice!) but her "love scene" is one of the most intelligence-insulting things in the whole series.

[tanisha__unknown]

I never romanced Garrus as femshep, he's just... well, he's a bro. Romancing him sort of feels wrong. Having a platonic friendship feels right, romance not so much.

I very much advice against Jacob, but he was not on your list anyway. Both Kaidan and Liara are fine.

[NRieh]

The banter between them in Lair of the Shadow Broker is some dialogue of the best in the series

Note, that Shepards that never ever talked to this...blu lady (unless froced to by Plot Twist) have to listen to same banter and dialogues (and hug her during explosion). What can I say? Being writers' pet has its benefits...

Kaiden is a bore. Sorry but he is.

Yeah, people, never romance KaidEn! He's boring, evil and even more illusive than Ilusive Man himself!