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[Dr_Extrem]

Femlob wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
assuming you are right...then why keep up the lies? Why not rectify it properly as opposed with the EC (especially when it comes to tue destroy ending? Hell at this point the IT would have even allowed them to save face but they just kept going...did they not see it ...AGAIN?

"That's pride, f*cking with ya..."

but pride does not fill your belly.

[crimzontearz]

the answer would be probably because hope is the last to die but right now hope is on life support

[Robhuzz]

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't recognize an ending that goes against everything the franchise was? They don't even seem to comprehend basic writing rules. For example...you do not introduce an all new character in the final 5 minutes. Deus Ex Machina endings are bad writing.. that sort of thing.

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 14 décembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[LinksOcarina]

Robhuzz wrote...

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't know?

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

Is it incompetence that they misjudged a reaction, arrogance for not caring, or just misguidance for thinking they had something golden? 

No one was bad at their job at the time because they made the best game they could, it seems. It just didn't work out in the end because of nasty backlash. Doesn't mark incompetence at all if you ask me, especially considering there is no way to discern what fans like or not.

[cyrexwingblade]

They simply missed one simple point. We wanted to save the universe, not change it. We like the ME world and culture. The Reapers threaten it. We want to stop the Reapers, then chill with our squadies.

That was the only option they simply refused to put on the table. Sad really.

[Dr_Extrem]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't know?

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

Is it incompetence that they misjudged a reaction, arrogance for not caring, or just misguidance for thinking they had something golden? 

No one was bad at their job at the time because they made the best game they could, it seems. It just didn't work out in the end because of nasty backlash. Doesn't mark incompetence at all if you ask me, especially considering there is no way to discern what fans like or not.

but .. does it matter? .. the product stands as it is ...

[crimzontearz]

Actually, Link, apparently a certain DK (who worked on the first two games) seems to believe the end is just not up to snuff either.....just saying

[Iakus]

[quote]Robhuzz wrote...

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.[/quote]
[/quote]

DA2's ending was undeniably weak, but didn't retroactively destroy the series.  Plus the DA team has shown to at least talk with the fans to find out what went wrong and how to do better.  Heck, the DLCs demonstrated that they did indeed take suggestions to heart.  Unlike EC, which fixed just enough not to outright kill the franchise.

Also, I have little doubt they are paying close attention to what's happening with the ME3 backlash and will (hopefully) benefit from the experience.

[darkway1]

Robhuzz wrote...

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't recognize an ending that goes against everything the franchise was? They don't even seem to comprehend basic writing rules. For example...you do not introduce an all new character in the final 5 minutes. Deus Ex Machina endings are bad writing.. that sort of thing.

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

I agree 100%.

[Femlob]

crimzontearz wrote...

Actually, Link, apparently a certain DK (who worked on the first two games) seems to believe the end is just not up to snuff either.....just saying

You have a source for that?

[crimzontearz]

Femlob wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Actually, Link, apparently a certain DK (who worked on the first two games) seems to believe the end is just not up to snuff either.....just saying

You have a source for that?

there there is an interview or some such done with him in which he says in an ending it is important to end on a high note but they always planned the ending to have something to do with the mass relays....this was before the EC retconned the galactic wasteland and the Gilligan planet and the quarians and turiams starving to death

[LinksOcarina]

crimzontearz wrote...

Femlob wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Actually, Link, apparently a certain DK (who worked on the first two games) seems to believe the end is just not up to snuff either.....just saying

You have a source for that?

there there is an interview or some such done with him in which he says in an ending it is important to end on a high note but they always planned the ending to have something to do with the mass relays....this was before the EC retconned the galactic wasteland and the Gilligan planet and the quarians and turiams starving to death

Thats not a source thats heresay. Show a link to him saying this please. 

As for Drew K, well personally I find his work overrated to begin with, but if he didn't like it thats his opinion, nothing more really. 

[LinksOcarina]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't know?

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

Is it incompetence that they misjudged a reaction, arrogance for not caring, or just misguidance for thinking they had something golden? 

No one was bad at their job at the time because they made the best game they could, it seems. It just didn't work out in the end because of nasty backlash. Doesn't mark incompetence at all if you ask me, especially considering there is no way to discern what fans like or not.

but .. does it matter? .. the product stands as it is ...

Matters only if you make wild accusations and hyperbolic conjecture.

[crimzontearz]

No it's not...it circulated here too...hold on let me see if I can find it

[Brovikk Rasputin]

anorling wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Son of a ****

Right after I posted in this thread this morning someone hacked my origin account and changed my password, I juat got done resetting it done and restoring all my details

WTF??

It was Brovikk!

Dude, you can call me troll and all that other childish bull**** you people seems to  find pleasure in, but don't you ****ing accuse me of hacking other people's accounts. 

Don't.

[Femlob]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

anorling wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Son of a ****

Right after I posted in this thread this morning someone hacked my origin account and changed my password, I juat got done resetting it done and restoring all my details

WTF??

It was Brovikk!

Dude, you can call me troll and all that other childish bull**** you people seems to  find pleasure in, but don't you ****ing accuse me of hacking other people's accounts. 

Don't.

Looks like you hit a nerve there, anorling... I didn't think Brovikk had it in him.

Modifié par Femlob, 15 décembre 2012 - 12:10 .

[TheProtheans]

Crimzon, it was only a matter of time before some deranged person hacked into you account.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Femlob wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

anorling wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Son of a ****

Right after I posted in this thread this morning someone hacked my origin account and changed my password, I juat got done resetting it done and restoring all my details

WTF??

It was Brovikk!

Dude, you can call me troll and all that other childish bull**** you people seems to  find pleasure in, but don't you ****ing accuse me of hacking other people's accounts. 

Don't.

Looks like you hit a nerve there, anorling... I didn't think Brovikk had it in him.

Maybe. I just don't like being accused of stuff I didn't do. Silly videogame forum or not.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

edit: oops

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 15 décembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[Peranor]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

anorling wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Son of a **** 

Right after I posted in this thread this morning someone hacked my origin account and changed my password, I juat got done resetting it done and restoring all my details

WTF??

It was Brovikk!

Dude, you can call me troll and all that other childish bull**** you people seems to  find pleasure in, but don't you ****ing accuse me of hacking other people's accounts. 

Don't.

Looks like you hit a nerve there, anorling... I didn't think Brovikk had it in him.

Maybe. I just don't like being accused of stuff I didn't do. Silly videogame forum or not.

I thought of adding [EDI]that was a joke...[/EDI] after that sentence just to make it clear. But in the end I chose not to do it because I though that even you would get that it was a joke. But I have a tendency of overestimating people...

[Heimdall]

Robhuzz wrote...

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

This is just... no. In my experience, when someone is THIS bad at their job, they're fired. No buts, no discussions... you're out. You're obviously not meant for this sort of work. "We'll hire someone more competent, goodbye"

After all these years they're trying to tell me they didn't think people would dislike/hate/loathe the ending? Seriously? Have they looked at it? Have they actually played the game at all? Did they even know there was a ME1 and 2? After all the hyping from bioware, the pre release statements, the lies, ME1 and 2... 5 years to find out exactly what it was the fans liked about Mass Effect... they still don't recognize an ending that goes against everything the franchise was? They don't even seem to comprehend basic writing rules. For example...you do not introduce an all new character in the final 5 minutes. Deus Ex Machina endings are bad writing.. that sort of thing.

This lifts the word 'incompetence' to a whole new level.

If everyone at bioware is this incompetent, I really fear for DA3. Guess my decision to not pre order it no matter what may pay off.

I find it highly believable that they didn't realize how fans would react.

I played through the game and got to the ending for the first time and I honestly was okay with it.  I wasn't thrilled mind you, but I didn't feel  dissapointed either, just sort of "eh, it's alright"

I was taken aback by the fan reaction, all much more vehement than my own.  This coming from a fan of the series since the first game.  I figured people might dislike it but I figured that there was no perfect way to end the series that would make all the fans happy anyway.

They were hardly incompetent, frankly ending a series like this is an incredibly difficult endeavor.  (There was no Deus Ex Machina btw).  They misjudged a reaction because they thought more fans were like me, rather than like you.  That's all.  It's a mistake they don't plan to repeat.

[d-boy15]

let me put it this way...

you really expect those dev. to admit that they was released the bad quality ending? It took 1 years
and a half until DA2 team admitted they doing a bad job for DA2.

if they came up and tell "yes, the ending is really bad" it's not only hurt their sales but also hurt the
reputation of bioware (even though after many failed product, it's more than enough). I can tell you
no one wanted to get fired.

and to be fair, the complaining about ending is foreshadow the real problem of mass effect 3 which
are half-ass 1/2 of the games, poor level design and wasted potential of story.

[ld1449]

LinksOcarina wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Right

Remind me why exactly I am still hoping for this last DLC?

Really?

Here is a better question.

Does the DLC in Mass Effect 3 matter at all because its the ending of the trilogy? If the answer is no, why are people buying it then?

They are????

Because last I looked Omega was the worst selling DLC of the whole series, even worse than Pinnacle S.

And Leviathan just barely beat the aformentioned ME1 addon as well.

[David7204]

Gee, a DLC that has been on sale for over three years has outsold a DLC that has been on sale for three weeks. It's almost as if time plays a factor in how many products are sold.

[ld1449]

David7204 wrote...

Gee, a DLC that has been on sale for over three years has outsold a DLC that has been on sale for three weeks. It's almost as if time plays a factor in how many products are sold.

Actually its proven that the vast majority of DLC sales around 80% if I'm not mistaken, occur during the first three weeks.

Furthermore there is DLC, like Dark Souls Artorias DLC that came out recently that has passed Pinnacle station by miles even though the game is two years old (Or one year, not sure I'd have to check)