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[ld1449]

Also by your logic, Bring Down the sky would have outsold All ME2 DLC.

Here's a hint. It didn't.

[David7204]

You have a very poor grasp of logic, then. What I said was that a DLC being on sale for three years outselling a DLC being on sale for three weeks is neither surprising nor particularly indicitive of quality for either product. That's nowhere close to saying "Items that have been on sale longer HAVE to be the best sold." like you seem to think.

I don't suppose you have any sources to back up these figures?

Modifié par David7204, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:07 .

[ld1449]

David7204 wrote...

You have a very poor grasp of logic, then. What I said was that a DLC being on sale for three years outselling a DLC being on sale for three weeks is neither surprising nor particularly indicitive of quality for either product. That's nowhere close to saying "Items that have been on sale longer HAVE to be the best sold." like you seem to think.

I don't suppose you have any sources to back up these figures?

Xbox live DLC sales page along with PSN's. You can look through there if you feel like browsing.

Furthermore your implication is fairly straight forward in attempting to dismiss the point.

The time that its been on sale is proportionate to how much more it sold.

This is the bare bones of what you're saying.

And I am responding, that the Artorias DLC that came out relatively recently has already outsold Pinnacle S. One month's difference between Artorias and Omega's release dates. There is no significant ammount to really explain the gaping sales margin.

[David7204]

No. What I said was it wasn't surprising. Some DLC is going to sell quickly. Some DLC is going to sell more slowly. Sometimes most of the profit will be made upfront. Sometimes more of it will be made later on. What I did not say was "All DLC sales are proportional to time and independent of quality." You have no basis for extrapolating that.

Modifié par David7204, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[ld1449]

David7204 wrote...

No. What I said was it wasn't surprising. Some DLC is going to sell quickly. Some DLC is going to sell more slowly. Sometimes most of the profit will be made upfront. Sometimes more of it will be made later on. What I did not say was "All DLC sales are proportional to time." You have no basis for extrapolating that.

No You're saying this NOW your exact words were just three posts ago

"Gee, a DLC that has been on sale for over three years has outsold a DLC
that has been on sale for three weeks. It's almost as if time plays a
factor in how many products are sold"

In no way shape or form do you say tha the product will sell more slowly or more quickly.  You simply point to DLC one and DLC two and mention the three years its been on sale in comparison to three weeks. Directly implying that the sales are proportionate to the time they've been on the market.

Edit: You even say, with a rather sarcastic lilt "Its almost as if time plays a factor"

Modifié par ld1449, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[David7204]

I didn't feel the need to say it because I considered it obvious and trivial. But I guess that isn't the case.

There are many factors that affect the sales of a product. The product's quality. How well known and advertised it is. The price. The ease of getting it. More subtle things like the state of the economy. And the time it's been available.

Many factors. Many factors affect total sales. Many. Not one. Following so far?

You're claiming that Pinnacle Station outsold Omega because Omega is crap and customers hate it and it's the worse DLC ever. And that is stupid. Why? Because you ignore the fact that Pinnacle Station has been on sale 50 times as long. A 4900% increase in sales time.

Is it possible for Omega to have lower sales because customers think it's the worst DLC ever? I can't read minds, so I suppose it's possible. But is it foolish to assume that's the sole reason when such significant other factors are at play? Yep.

Modifié par David7204, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[ld1449]

David7204 wrote...

I didn't feel the need to say it because I considered it obvious and trivial. But I guess that isn't the case.

There are many factors that affect the sales of a product. The product's quality. How well known and advertised it is. The price. The ease of getting it. More subtle things like the state of the economy. And the time it's been available.

Many factors. Many factors affect total sales. Many. Not one. Following so far?

You're claiming that Pinnacle Station outsold Omega because Omega is crap and customers hate it and it's the worse DLC ever. And that is stupid. Why? Because you ignore the fact that Pinnacle Station has been on sale 50 times as long. A 4900% increase in sales time.

Is it possible for Omega to have lower sales because customers think it's the worst DLC ever? I can't read minds, so I suppose it's possible. But is it foolish to assume that's the sole reason when such significant other factors are at play? Yep.

When did I say any of what you just mentioned???

Links said and I quote again-

"Does the DLC in Mass Effect 3 matter at all because its the ending of the trilogy? If the answer is no, why are people buying it then?"

I am refuting the statement that people are buying. I am in no way bringing up Omega's quality or lacktherof. I didn't feel the need to say so since it seemed obvious. Sorry if that wasn't the case.

Links is saying people are buying and is inferring that the long held statement  of "The DLC just doesn't matter" that many anti-enders have for a variety of reasons, is thus. Untrue.

I am responding to the statement that says that the belief the DLC doesn't matter is untrue, and that also says that the DLC is selling well.

How it went from that, you your made up argument on Omega's quality I really have no idea.

Modifié par ld1449, 15 décembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[LinksOcarina]

ld1449 wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I didn't feel the need to say it because I considered it obvious and trivial. But I guess that isn't the case.

There are many factors that affect the sales of a product. The product's quality. How well known and advertised it is. The price. The ease of getting it. More subtle things like the state of the economy. And the time it's been available.

Many factors. Many factors affect total sales. Many. Not one. Following so far?

You're claiming that Pinnacle Station outsold Omega because Omega is crap and customers hate it and it's the worse DLC ever. And that is stupid. Why? Because you ignore the fact that Pinnacle Station has been on sale 50 times as long. A 4900% increase in sales time.

Is it possible for Omega to have lower sales because customers think it's the worst DLC ever? I can't read minds, so I suppose it's possible. But is it foolish to assume that's the sole reason when such significant other factors are at play? Yep.

When did I say any of what you just mentioned???

Links said and I quote again-

"Does the DLC in Mass Effect 3 matter at all because its the ending of the trilogy? If the answer is no, why are people buying it then?"

I am refuting the statement that people are buying. I am in no way bringing up Omega's quality or lacktherof. I didn't feel the need to say so since it seemed obvious. Sorry if that wasn't the case.

Links is saying people are buying and is inferring that the long held statement  of "The DLC just doesn't matter" that many anti-enders have for a variety of reasons, is thus. Untrue.

I am responding to the statement that says that the belief the DLC doesn't matter is untrue, and that also says that the DLC is selling well.

How it went from that, you your made up argument on Omega's quality I really have no idea.

You pretty much have it on the nose based on what I said. 

That said, how do we know its the worst selling DLC at this time? Truth be told there is no way to discern it without a financial statement based on the numbers by EA or BioWare, which is likely not going to be released any time soon.

Although I do think they are underpreforming because of what I said, but thats my personal belief. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Reth Shepherd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

You pretty much have it on the nose based on what I said. 

That said, how do we know its the worst selling DLC at this time? Truth be told there is no way to discern it without a financial statement based on the numbers by EA or BioWare, which is likely not going to be released any time soon.

Although I do think they are underpreforming because of what I said, but thats my personal belief. 

If I might add a piece of very circumstantial evidence to the pile, I cannot get anyone at Bioware to comment on how well Omega is selling. Jess Merizan, Mike Gamble, and Tully Ackland never replied at all, Chris Priestly (whom I'd had high hopes for, since he was happy to discuss a few details of Levi's sales with me a while back) is on vacation until January, and the three devs who did reply (thank you again for that, guys!) either didn't know or weren't allowed to disclose that info. Now I'm 100% aware that there are any number of perfectly good reasons why Bioware wouldn't want to talk about it, but I do find it odd that they're keeping even general details quiet when they were so open with Levi. Honestly, it's getting to the point where I'm considering making a Twitter account just so I can ask them questions there! This is getting silly!<_<

[Trauma3x]

remember when you thought that the force was really cool in Star Wars and then Phantom Menace just destroyed that by saying bugs wear in your blood that's pretty much how Mass Effect 3 ends...no final fight with vader no destruction of the Death Star and no ewoke happy dance, no han in leia getting together No vanqishing of the Emperor but hey you won

[LinksOcarina]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

You pretty much have it on the nose based on what I said. 

That said, how do we know its the worst selling DLC at this time? Truth be told there is no way to discern it without a financial statement based on the numbers by EA or BioWare, which is likely not going to be released any time soon.

Although I do think they are underpreforming because of what I said, but thats my personal belief. 

If I might add a piece of very circumstantial evidence to the pile, I cannot get anyone at Bioware to comment on how well Omega is selling. Jess Merizan, Mike Gamble, and Tully Ackland never replied at all, Chris Priestly (whom I'd had high hopes for, since he was happy to discuss a few details of Levi's sales with me a while back) is on vacation until January, and the three devs who did reply (thank you again for that, guys!) either didn't know or weren't allowed to disclose that info. Now I'm 100% aware that there are any number of perfectly good reasons why Bioware wouldn't want to talk about it, but I do find it odd that they're keeping even general details quiet when they were so open with Levi. Honestly, it's getting to the point where I'm considering making a Twitter account just so I can ask them questions there! This is getting silly!<_<

It might be too soon. 

Did they ever disclose the sales for say Lair of the Shadow Broker?  Or Leviathan? I have looked and other than the BS numbers of VG Chartz I can't find anything concrete. 

[garrusfan1]

Omega probably sold decently.

[Reth Shepherd]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

You pretty much have it on the nose based on what I said. 

That said, how do we know its the worst selling DLC at this time? Truth be told there is no way to discern it without a financial statement based on the numbers by EA or BioWare, which is likely not going to be released any time soon.

Although I do think they are underpreforming because of what I said, but thats my personal belief. 

If I might add a piece of very circumstantial evidence to the pile, I cannot get anyone at Bioware to comment on how well Omega is selling. Jess Merizan, Mike Gamble, and Tully Ackland never replied at all, Chris Priestly (whom I'd had high hopes for, since he was happy to discuss a few details of Levi's sales with me a while back) is on vacation until January, and the three devs who did reply (thank you again for that, guys!) either didn't know or weren't allowed to disclose that info. Now I'm 100% aware that there are any number of perfectly good reasons why Bioware wouldn't want to talk about it, but I do find it odd that they're keeping even general details quiet when they were so open with Levi. Honestly, it's getting to the point where I'm considering making a Twitter account just so I can ask them questions there! This is getting silly!<_<

It might be too soon. 

Did they ever disclose the sales for say Lair of the Shadow Broker?  Or Leviathan? I have looked and other than the BS numbers of VG Chartz I can't find anything concrete. 

LotSB I don't know. Levi they announced from the rooftops on day 1 or 2 that it was their bestselling DLC to date, though they never gave us any numbers. (For the record, and for DLC sales comparison, they were NOT counting From Ashes if it was bundled with anything else, I asked.)