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[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...
Nope, I love ya but that's straight up cynisism. EC changed it to where the laser doesn't hit him directly.
Shepard survived through much worse. And things exploding near Shepard happen all the time (see ME3 intro).

Why does the Normandy have to be the ship that initiates the rescue? Hackett knows Shepard is on the Citadel. It's likely that he would send a search team to look for survivors, as an example. =/

Love ya too Megas . The laser not hitting him directly just mean he doesn't get vaporized like the other poor bastards we've seen do so while charging at the conduit. You're exactly right they explode around Shep all the time, the opening saw Shep get smacked by a desk but he wasn't at the dead center of the explosion, the entire building also didn't explode and collapse on him, he wasn't bleeding beforehand either.

The Normandy's the only ship in the galaxy to be effected by the Crucible beam? I'm assuming the other ships also need to get their engines working again as well.

I'm not a cynic by nature, I'm in fact more of an optimist I just need to have some element of tangible hope to make it seem plausible for me. It's one of the reasons I go for sparing the rachni, curing the genophage, and went for peace between the Geth and Quarians, I saw hope and the possiblity for coexistance despite the dangers. I'd like to see the hope here I just don't see anything of substance here.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[xsdob]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

While you have your crystal ball out, could I get next week's lottery numbers?  

 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Modifié par xsdob, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:17 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

xsdob wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

While you have your crystal ball out, could I get next week's lottery numbers?  

 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

Is that power ball?

[Iakus]

xsdob wrote...

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

While you have your crystal ball out, could I get next week's lottery numbers?  

 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42

I see what you did there 

[Eterna]

iakus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

While you have your crystal ball out, could I get next week's lottery numbers?  

Sure they're 01000110 01110101 01100011 01101011 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101

[crimzontearz]

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

[spirosz]

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

They don't even have to say reunite, just survive and people will go , instead of 

[Reofeir]

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

Word of god not enough. People start complaning they want to see it in game. People demand that DLC shows reuinion. Won't stop until in game.

Then some people who wanted shepard to die in destroy will complain. They will say they cop'd out. Start saying they gave into fan demands.

Complaning still happens.

[crimzontearz]

Zenor wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

Word of god not enough. People start complaning they want to see it in game. People demand that DLC shows reuinion. Won't stop until in game.

Then some people who wanted shepard to die in destroy will complain. They will say they cop'd out. Start saying they gave into fan demands.

Complaning still happens.

sure, but I "personally" will stop complaining

[Vortex13]

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

Not if they came out and said that you or war assets would make a difference in Priority:Earth and the ending, and that depending on the choices you made;the war assets you spent the entire game colecting; that you would get to experience 16 vastly different and truely unique endings, ranging from Shepard falling to Indoctrination, to being able to fine tune the Destroy function so that it only targets the Reapers, to being able; with the strength of the galaxy's varied strengths actually win a costly conventional war against the Reapers. 

I wouldn't be upset with that in the slightest.

[crimzontearz]

spirosz wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

They don't even have to say reunite, just survive and people will go , instead of 

sorry, I learned not to trust them unless they are 100% specific.....especially Mac and casey

[Reofeir]

crimzontearz wrote...

Zenor wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

Word of god not enough. People start complaning they want to see it in game. People demand that DLC shows reuinion. Won't stop until in game.

Then some people who wanted shepard to die in destroy will complain. They will say they cop'd out. Start saying they gave into fan demands.

Complaning still happens.

sure, but I "personally" will stop complaining

In the way how the original post was woreded, that would indeed prove him wrong. 

...Though in his head it probably meant more of the understandably displeased fans that did not like how things went will still be angry or once pleased fans will get angry.

But hey if the magical crystal ball said everyone will be pleased with this change I'd say "Do it bioware!". 

[crimzontearz]

Zenor wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Zenor wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Doesn't matter what they say, you guys would still be pissed.

I can prove you wrong

No you can't. 

yes I can, if Mac and Casey (word of god) officially said that after high EMS destroy Shepard CANONICALLY lives, survives and reunites with his/her LI I will most certainly stop complaining

Word of god not enough. People start complaning they want to see it in game. People demand that DLC shows reuinion. Won't stop until in game.

Then some people who wanted shepard to die in destroy will complain. They will say they cop'd out. Start saying they gave into fan demands.

Complaning still happens.

sure, but I "personally" will stop complaining

In the way how the original post was woreded, that would indeed prove him wrong. 

...Though in his head it probably meant more of the understandably displeased fans that did not like how things went will still be angry or once pleased fans will get angry.

But hey if the magical crystal ball said everyone will be pleased with this change I'd say "Do it bioware!". 

just saying man, that is all it would take for me to buy the game again and all the dlcs

[PinkysPain]

We have the Penny Arcade leak to tell us what really happened ... of course no one spoke up, who wants to get fired for saying the emperor has no clothes?

[crimzontearz]

PinkysPain wrote...

We have the Penny Arcade leak to tell us what really happened ... of course no one spoke up, who wants to get fired for saying the emperor has no clothes?

still I would say this is even worse

Modifié par crimzontearz, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:37 .

[Iakus]

Zenor wrote...
In the way how the original post was woreded, that would indeed prove him wrong. 

...Though in his head it probably meant more of the understandably displeased fans that did not like how things went will still be angry or once pleased fans will get angry.

But hey if the magical crystal ball said everyone will be pleased with this change I'd say "Do it bioware!". 

Hey one fan mod got me to the point where I bought Leviathan.

Not Omega.  But Leviathan.

Imagine what some official  confirmation would do for me 

[3DandBeyond]

crimzontearz wrote...

and two things strike me as VERY ODD

aside from the fact that the developer interviewed (one Aaryn Flynn) looks a LOT like one of my best childhood friends (Gianpiero Cioffi) here are two quotes from him

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

to which my first knee jerk thought was....THE HELL? Really? NO ONE got it? how in hell did NO ONE foresee this?

a little after he says

"I am happy with how the extended cut turned out. I think we did a good job of trying to wrap those choices up and reflect that back to the player in a fair and responsible way. it's a good learning experience for us in the future, in that you can underestimate how much people love their characters. So we'll be watching that much more carefully next time"

OK...so....since I always sound as a broken record (but this really pisses me off) how exactly is it FAIR that Control and Synthesis get full closure INCLUDING A GOD SPEECH FROM SHEPARD in control......and Destroy just gets IMPLICATIONS?

guess that is it right? they are happy.....this last DLC will obviously not add anything to this mess so.....blah

I agree with you of course on this.  Bioware is for me the very best example of how to not keep promises.  All the hype they did prior to release was meant to sell games-preorders.  They were promises, but oh well.  Then the EC was said to be in the works and they made promises-clarity, closure, and so on.  Clarity?  Never needed it-why would I want to understand garbage better?  Why would I want more scenes and dialogue to explain things that don't fit within this game?  Choices that should never have been choices and to explain the exact things they lied about?  But oh well.  Then, closure.  Well, hmm let's see.  Exactly which scene was open to interpretation in the original endings-I mean, it's pretty obvious there's already closure for Control and Synthesis-Shepard is dead, had the skin flayed off of him/her.  Dead is closure. 

But for some that were "lucky" and played MP (another lie), there was the gasp scene-the epitome of ambiguity and nonsense with little or no explanation as to just what was achieved.  Well, great the EC is promised to provide closure.  Specifics as to what happens to Shepard and silly that some of us thought that it couldn't fail since we'd spoken up so loudly-the person that always mattered the most was Shepard and one quick reunion scene.  We felt the possibility was there with the EC that Bioware was listening and would bring a gasping hero home.  Oh well.

This is a company that lives outside of reality.  You do not make people care about characters and then leave them in ambiguity.  Especially given the stupid explanation the kid gives for what destroy will do.  However, considering that one BW employee says there is no ambiguity and there is closure because it's whatever you want it to be, I think they need a new dictionary.  The old one is broken. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[MegaSovereign]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
Nope, I love ya but that's straight up cynisism. EC changed it to where the laser doesn't hit him directly.
Shepard survived through much worse. And things exploding near Shepard happen all the time (see ME3 intro).

Why does the Normandy have to be the ship that initiates the rescue? Hackett knows Shepard is on the Citadel. It's likely that he would send a search team to look for survivors, as an example. =/

Love ya too Megas . The laser not hitting him directly just mean he doesn't get vaporized like the other poor bastards we've seen do so while charging at the conduit. You're exactly right they explode around Shep all the time, the opening saw Shep get smacked by a desk but he wasn't at the dead center of the explosion, the entire building also didn't explode and collapse on him, he wasn't bleeding beforehand either.

The Normandy's the only ship in the galaxy to be effected by the Crucible beam? I'm assuming the other ships also need to get their engines working again as well.

I'm not a cynic by nature, I'm in fact more of an optimist I just need to have some element of tangible hope to make it seem plausible for me. It's one of the reasons I go for sparing the rachni, curing the genophage, and went for peace between the Geth and Quarians, I saw hope and the possiblity for coexistance despite the dangers. I'd like to see the hope here I just don't see anything of substance here.

The scene doesn't quite suggest that Shepard is stuck in the rubble. I don't think he has to wait for hours for a rescue.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

Zenor wrote...
In the way how the original post was woreded, that would indeed prove him wrong. 

...Though in his head it probably meant more of the understandably displeased fans that did not like how things went will still be angry or once pleased fans will get angry.

But hey if the magical crystal ball said everyone will be pleased with this change I'd say "Do it bioware!". 

Hey one fan mod got me to the point where I bought Leviathan.

Not Omega.  But Leviathan.

Imagine what some official  confirmation would do for me 

Exactly what we told them would happen if they made DLC that fixed the endings for those that wanted it.  That mod is why I am now playing the games on a PC-something that is very much against what I ever wanted to do since I really don't like playing games on the PC anymore.  But, I am mostly through ME1 again and I will get there because I want to see something decent for Shepard and that mod helps.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...
Nope, I love ya but that's straight up cynisism. EC changed it to where the laser doesn't hit him directly.
Shepard survived through much worse. And things exploding near Shepard happen all the time (see ME3 intro).

Why does the Normandy have to be the ship that initiates the rescue? Hackett knows Shepard is on the Citadel. It's likely that he would send a search team to look for survivors, as an example. =/

Love ya too Megas . The laser not hitting him directly just mean he doesn't get vaporized like the other poor bastards we've seen do so while charging at the conduit. You're exactly right they explode around Shep all the time, the opening saw Shep get smacked by a desk but he wasn't at the dead center of the explosion, the entire building also didn't explode and collapse on him, he wasn't bleeding beforehand either.

The Normandy's the only ship in the galaxy to be effected by the Crucible beam? I'm assuming the other ships also need to get their engines working again as well.

I'm not a cynic by nature, I'm in fact more of an optimist I just need to have some element of tangible hope to make it seem plausible for me. It's one of the reasons I go for sparing the rachni, curing the genophage, and went for peace between the Geth and Quarians, I saw hope and the possiblity for coexistance despite the dangers. I'd like to see the hope here I just don't see anything of substance here.

The scene doesn't quite suggest that Shepard is stuck in the rubble. I don't think he has to wait for hours for a rescue.

It doesn't suggest that but since there's no real visual conclusion to this (something that many of us need in a visual medium), it lacks emotional conclusion.  I absolutely cannot stand that rubble scene.  It's very much like someone thought it was cool and cute and can't let it go-but it is more there in order to make destroy not canon.  I've had people say they wouldn't want it any different because they like control or synthesis and changing that would make it canon and/or too many people would always pick it.  They use the exact reason why BW should add to the scene as some justification for BW not adding to the scene.

I can imagine a lot.  I read books, I can take implication and make my own inferences from such things.  But, in visual media, I just plain need more.  I don't like either/or endings and don't watch movies a second time that are like that unless the ending is done really well and you have all the information you need to form a sensible conclusion.  But, mostly I don't like them and I really don't like them in stories that include emotional ties to characters-love stories or even stories with romances in them.  The best ones IMO always show the bruised and beaten hero at last home again in the arms of the one who loves him/her, if the story established strong character driven pieces.  I think ME did this throughout.  So for me it is totally necessary to see the connection between friends and LI and Shepard restored.  I need to see it.  I believe it happens, but still need to see it.

[3DandBeyond]

Mcfly616 wrote...

lol thanks....you beat me to it. Bookmarked that article the other day, so I could pull it out the next time someone pulled that argument out.

Yes, one article after many employees at Bioware stated that it was ambiguous and another stated that it was Shepard's dying gasp and many have pointed out that none of that matters. This is a visual medium that provides the same closure for the dead Shepards as has always existed and the exact same non-closure for the torso gasp that has always existed.  Closure means just that.  Not ambiguity and getting to see Shepard die in nauseating detail apparently is so important compared to getting one minor scene of Shepard living.  It's such a difficult thing to do that everyone that wants it must head canon it because as one employee stated, they could not personalize it for everyone.  Yeah, in a game where everything else is personalized including the Shepard that gets the flesh ripped off.  And another dev that said they had no idea anyone wanted to see such a thing-really, and what rocks were they living under that would make this a true statement?

[Juzam]

Mcfly616 wrote...
The point of the ending was to show the outcome of your choices. And the impact they had on the galaxy. Who the **** cares how he survived? He simply: Did. And that's all that matters. How the hell did the Lazarus Project work exactly? Go ahead, I'll wait.....

How is each species handling the aftermath? That's another story for another day. You gave the galaxy an actual future, the ending is conveying that sense of forging forward into the unknown. And if you watched the Memorial Scene and didnt get the fact that your L.I. believes you're alive and is coming to get you.....well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe you're just a cynic or pessimist that looks at everything in a negative light. Or maybe you just don't understand visual storytelling. Either or, makes no difference to me. It's closure. You just don't like it.

It's because of the dominant ignorant young generation like you who think that LotR is just a "movie" rather than a legend that was created long before your father was born that we don't get closure.

Instead, we got a game that was created with achieving the highest review scores in mind rather than an epic conclusion to an epic story that took 5 years in the making.

Now be quiet and go watch your teen vampire drama...

[Sable Rhapsody]

Mr.House wrote...

So Bioware thought no one would care that our war assets are not showen, Harbinger is reduced to nothing despite all the build up, a new character is introduced out of nowhere and there is no true closure in high ems destroy, nor do you know what happen to the turian,salarian, volus and elcor after the war.

Also in high ems destroy, you don't get Jack or Miranda slide, so nothing on them.

If Bioware is really happy about this, I'm very afraid for DA3.

To be entirely fair, Miri's slide doesn't turn up in high-EMS destroy because it's bugged.  There IS a slide for her, and oddly enough it turns up correctly with MEHEM.  I'm not sure about Jack.

I do have to wonder how they thought people weren't going to be upset.  Call it groupthink, maybe.  It happens to even the best of people if there's no one there to go, "Hey, maybe this is a pretty bad idea."

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 13 décembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[3DandBeyond]

Juzam wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
The point of the ending was to show the outcome of your choices. And the impact they had on the galaxy. Who the **** cares how he survived? He simply: Did. And that's all that matters. How the hell did the Lazarus Project work exactly? Go ahead, I'll wait.....

How is each species handling the aftermath? That's another story for another day. You gave the galaxy an actual future, the ending is conveying that sense of forging forward into the unknown. And if you watched the Memorial Scene and didnt get the fact that your L.I. believes you're alive and is coming to get you.....well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe you're just a cynic or pessimist that looks at everything in a negative light. Or maybe you just don't understand visual storytelling. Either or, makes no difference to me. It's closure. You just don't like it.

It's because of the dominant ignorant young generation like you who think that LotR is just a "movie" rather than a legend that was created long before your father was born that we don't get closure.

Instead, we got a game that was created with achieving the highest review scores in mind rather than an epic conclusion to an epic story that took 5 years in the making.

Now be quiet and go watch your teen vampire drama...

I'm pretty sure the person you quoted is the victim of his own words which he's using to try and insult others.  Without saying it, he's actually saying that anyone that does not know that Shepard survives is an idiot.  Ok, yes Mr. Mcfly, a lot of us get that.  But it was Bioware that tried to get all cute with it and say that it could be Shepard dying or living in order to be a bit nasty to fans.

However, none of that matters because as he points out this is a visual medium and that means you see what happens.  And it is way more important that this be done in interactive visual storytelling because the person is not just a viewer, but an active participant.  And we are all made differently.  Mr. Mcfly may think he's super evolved because he just knows what happens.  Well, call me whatever name is appropriate, consider me ignorant, and I will just say I am different from Mr. Mcfly.  I need to see it in order to get that closure.  It is what works for me.  This ending does not work for me-it is unsatisfying.  It's like eating great food that you have to spit out and not swallow.  It's also why some people like chocolate ice cream and some don't.  We are all different.  That does not mean some people are defective because that torso does not mean closure to them and isn't enough.  And I have never insulted anyone that did not need anything beyond the memorial scene and the gasp.  If that works for them then great.  But, I am different.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 13 décembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[garrusfan1]

I still say that Casey and Mac wrote it themselves and everyone has to cover for it now. As for the ending thing I seriously think they will expand on the breah scene. And the reason they will do it is greed corporate greed to be exact cause EA might say so if you do this it will sell a s*** load of dlc well screw your artistic vision crap and DO IT