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[Mr.House]

Nightwriter wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

OK...so....since I always sound as a broken record (but this really pisses me off) how exactly is it FAIR that Control and Synthesis get full closure INCLUDING A GOD SPEECH FROM SHEPARD in control......and Destroy just gets IMPLICATIONS?

Endings where Shepard dies = Samara
Ending where Shepard lives = Morinth

You chose Morinth. You weren't supposed to. Enjoy your half-assed content.

Even though this is a jest, this does feel that way..

[SpamBot2000]

Mcfly616 wrote...

You wanna start flinging insults for no reason, I'll be here all day. Really tough on the internet aren't ya? Too bad I'd probably mash your face in....

classy.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 13 décembre 2012 - 09:52 .

[Vortex13]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I still say that Casey and Mac wrote it themselves and everyone has to cover for it now. As for the ending thing I seriously think they will expand on the breah scene. And the reason they will do it is greed corporate greed to be exact cause EA might say so if you do this it will sell a s*** load of dlc well screw your artistic vision crap and DO IT

EA on the fans' side? 

[Diurdi]

This Aaryn Flynn guy was the one who called ME3 fans "f* idiot" and told them to "go f* yourself" back when the debate over the ending was heated.

example:
https://twitter.com/...415058100916225

This guy should've been booted a long time ago.

Modifié par Diurdi, 13 décembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[JBPBRC]

Vortex13 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I still say that Casey and Mac wrote it themselves and everyone has to cover for it now. As for the ending thing I seriously think they will expand on the breah scene. And the reason they will do it is greed corporate greed to be exact cause EA might say so if you do this it will sell a s*** load of dlc well screw your artistic vision crap and DO IT

EA on the fans' side? 

If its profitable, I can see it.

[JPR1964]

Unbelievable or not, there is no more roleplayer in the team of Mass Effect : too much COD fans and their nice $...

ME is dead, long live ME (1)...



JPR out!

[David7204]

That tweet is dated February 19th...before the game was even released.

[shodiswe]

Destroy Shepard gets locked up for life... For comitting genocide on the Geth!

Might not be fair.. but, it was far more serious than that tiny batarian colony... Billions instead of a few hundred thousand..

Unless ofcourse the Quarrians did the killing.

Modifié par shodiswe, 13 décembre 2012 - 12:18 .

[matt-bassist]

dreamgazer wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

guess that is it right? they are happy.....this last DLC will obviously not add anything to this mess so.....blah

Eh, I doubt they're pulling in all the writers and composers for another Omega.

Not worth getting excited over yet, of course, but I think they're cooking something up that'll iron out wrinkles and garner goodwill with the fans---hopefully as many fans as they can hit.  Who knows what that'll be, though.

Well casual players of ME (the ones EA wanted to target) have long since moved on from the game so what BioWare should *really* do now is focus on fixing the gripes the core fans have with the game/ending. 

[Andromidius]

Diurdi wrote...

This Aaryn Flynn guy was the one who called ME3 fans "f* idiot" and told them to "go f* yourself" back when the debate over the ending was heated.

example:
https://twitter.com/...415058100916225

This guy should've been booted a long time ago.

Wow.  Say whatever else you like about Bioware, but they let their staff get away with a LOT of crap.  No wonder their PR is so bad!

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...
The scene doesn't quite suggest that Shepard is stuck in the rubble. I don't think he has to wait for hours for a rescue.

Never suggested he was stuck under the rubble, but the rock covering him suggest some serious blunt force trauma in addition to the other injuries already needed(and posssible lung damage from inhaling the heated air around him). He needs medigel at least to stabalize his condition, something not on hand at the moment. You rememeber our team getting sent back to the Normandy after a lesser injury during the beam run right? Contextually Shepard is now in very rough shape that is why he needs help.

[deatharmonic]

crimzontearz wrote...

and two things strike me as VERY ODD

aside from the fact that the developer interviewed (one Aaryn Flynn) looks a LOT like one of my best childhood friends (Gianpiero Cioffi) here are two quotes from him

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

to which my first knee jerk thought was....THE HELL? Really? NO ONE got it? how in hell did NO ONE foresee this?

I'm not surprised he and the others thought that, after all they're all drenched in bias. You spend X amount of hours working hard on a project you see completed, naturally you feel proud and it's hard to to be critical of what you've done. If they had an independent group of people with no ties to the company do a run through and give their honest opinion then they could be forgiven for not seeing the faults. They should know better than to test their own product and think their own judgment is sufficient.

[Steelcan]

Vortex13 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I still say that Casey and Mac wrote it themselves and everyone has to cover for it now. As for the ending thing I seriously think they will expand on the breah scene. And the reason they will do it is greed corporate greed to be exact cause EA might say so if you do this it will sell a s*** load of dlc well screw your artistic vision crap and DO IT

EA on the fans' side? 

. An alliance of interests, profit and fan demands.

[crimzontearz]

deatharmonic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

and two things strike me as VERY ODD

aside from the fact that the developer interviewed (one Aaryn Flynn) looks a LOT like one of my best childhood friends (Gianpiero Cioffi) here are two quotes from him

"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

to which my first knee jerk thought was....THE HELL? Really? NO ONE got it? how in hell did NO ONE foresee this?

I'm not surprised he and the others thought that, after all they're all drenched in bias. You spend X amount of hours working hard on a project you see completed, naturally you feel proud and it's hard to to be critical of what you've done. If they had an independent group of people with no ties to the company do a run through and give their honest opinion then they could be forgiven for not seeing the faults. They should know better than to test their own product and think their own judgment is sufficient.

they did test the ending...and it tested very poorly

also the leak caused a major uproar but they STILL did not see it coming

and then they started veiledly insulting the fans (or not so veiledly)

[AllThatJazz]

Andromidius wrote...

Diurdi wrote...

This Aaryn Flynn guy was the one who called ME3 fans "f* idiot" and told them to "go f* yourself" back when the debate over the ending was heated.

example:
https://twitter.com/...415058100916225

This guy should've been booted a long time ago.

Wow.  Say whatever else you like about Bioware, but they let their staff get away with a LOT of crap.  No wonder their PR is so bad!

This was nothing to do with the ending of Mass Effect, it was to do with the Jennifer Hepler stuff (do you remember, when a female Bioware writer was subjected to a twitter hate and bullying campaign, issued with death threats and compared to cancer, for saying that she didn't enjoy combat in videogames?). Aaryn Flynn responded as a friend of the woman's to the people he perceived as attacking her. An unfortunate time to be sure, but not quite so simplistic as 'Evil Bioware Being Mean To Helpless Innocent Fans'. 

[Loreshield]

Mr.House wrote...

Also in high ems destroy, you don't get Jack or Miranda slide, so nothing on them.

I've always wondered why that is, by the way.

[Vortex13]

Steelcan wrote...

Vortex13 wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

I still say that Casey and Mac wrote it themselves and everyone has to cover for it now. As for the ending thing I seriously think they will expand on the breah scene. And the reason they will do it is greed corporate greed to be exact cause EA might say so if you do this it will sell a s*** load of dlc well screw your artistic vision crap and DO IT

EA on the fans' side? 

. An alliance of interests, profit and fan demands.

All true and something that I would support whole heartily (I love that MP was added to ME 3; was the only thing that stopped me from trading in my game). I just find it ironic that the idea that the very company that received the Golden Poop Award would turn out tr be tr fans' salvation hilarious.

[Diurdi]

AllThatJazz wrote...
This was nothing to do with the ending of Mass Effect, it was to do with the Jennifer Hepler stuff (do you remember, when a female Bioware writer was subjected to a twitter hate and bullying campaign, issued with death threats and compared to cancer, for saying that she didn't enjoy combat in videogames?). Aaryn Flynn responded as a friend of the woman's to the people he perceived as attacking her. An unfortunate time to be sure, but not quite so simplistic as 'Evil Bioware Being Mean To Helpless Innocent Fans'. 

It doesn't matter. They could be sending death threats, you still don't respond like that in public. You just ignore it.

[The Divine Avenger]

LucasShark wrote...

Okay: so someone actually thinks the problem isn't "the endings we made are poorly done," "They fail to provide any closure", or "we ill-treated the characters", but "We let players get too attached to characters?"

Is everyone in that building high?

I think that's an understatment

[llandwynwyn]

crimzontearz wrote...
"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

Did they play with the tv/monitor off ?

[The Divine Avenger]

[/quote]

they did test the ending...and it tested very poorly

also the leak caused a major uproar but they STILL did not see it coming

and then they started veiledly insulting the fans (or not so veiledly)
[/quote]

the words "entitled" & "Artistic Vision/Integrity" spring to mind

[The Divine Avenger]

llandwynwyn wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

Did they play with the tv/monitor off ?

That wouldn't suprise me one bit lol

[Grubas]

The ending offered no more gameplay aside of horde mode, and a Saren 2.0 . To get another ending you had just to reload from last save, because none of your decisions mattered! Absolute cheap and rushed conclusion.

Im not saying everyone should see it with my eyes, but how can you witness this anticlimax and not see what other 'might' dislike about it?

Bioware is beating around the bush and they are doing it deliberately.

Modifié par Grubas, 13 décembre 2012 - 02:37 .

[SpamBot2000]

Diurdi wrote...

This Aaryn Flynn guy was the one who called ME3 fans "f* idiot" and told them to "go f* yourself" back when the debate over the ending was heated.

example:
https://twitter.com/...415058100916225

This guy should've been booted a long time ago.

That tweet was about the Jennifer Hepler thing, not ME3. Still, it was not very professional. 

And far from getting booted, Aaryn Flynn actually took over from Ray Muzyka when he left.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 13 décembre 2012 - 02:42 .

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...


You criticize modern technology for ruining imagination but what Mcfly was arguing was that we don't necessarily need to see Shepard doing things that we can infer happening off-screen. So I don't see the need to throw insults at him if you're practically agreeing with each other.

Oh and with all due respect, being a drama teacher does not give you a certain kind of authority over other people's opinions.

With all due respect, I think you missed the point here.  It is the usual fare when someone says they want to see Shepard alive for someone to say, "what's wrong with you stupid, don't you ever use your imagination?"  The thing is, many of us have decent (we think) imaginations.  It's the way I was brought up-reading was way more important than our old sometimes working Black and White TV.  My parents grew up listening to radio and imagining characters vividly.

It's an insult to ascribe this all to a lack of imagination, when what usually is true is the exact opposite.  And generally those that are exorting others to try and find an imagination are ones for whom the story is secondary if that.  I'm not saying that is what Mcfly is doing or thinks, but for many of us part of the reason the ending (gasp one) feels so hollow is because we'd already imagined far more than that.  We got attached to the story and the characters (because that's what you are supposed to do) and we thought BW cared about them, too. 

Most writers are very attached to the characters they write, so it wasn't just the question mark ending for the torso that was "wrong", and it wasn't just the lack of visuals to show what came along in the immediate future.  It was the whole story surrounding that, the lack of anything to really point to that made sense about what the kid said would happen.  That set up ambiguity.  Does the crucible kill Shepard or not?  "Even you are partly synthetic".  Who else does it kill?  "There will be losses but no more than have already occurred (paraphrased)".  And so on. 

The gasp in this context is specifically meant to be ambiguous because they wanted 2 choices to appeal to those who wanted to see cool, awesome Shepard dies moments-very visual and not needing any imagination.  And they created one ending to either give the finger to players, or because they really did not even try to fully understand what players wanted or were saying.  The torso gasp exists to do a lot of things.  It's someone's idea of how to be cute or seem thoughty.  It also is a teaser to get people to want more Shepard - Shep's a legend, now buy some DLC.  And, it is also there to create that bittersweet moment they say exists at the end.  But it is neither bitter nor sweet-it's a joke.  They did not show Shepard's face and did not go beyond the gasp because they used this as the canon ambiguous ending based upon ambiguous explanation.

What happened here is what generally has happened whenever someone says they wanted a happier ending-someone then says, "well, it's stupid to want a Disney ending, or rainbows and bunnies" when that is really not necessarily what someone is saying.