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[3DandBeyond]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jessica Merizan also has said that in any future ME game, Synthesis will have happened. 

One of the only two posts by Jessica Merizan I've ever seen on the story forum in the 6 months I've been reading it was a denial she ever meant to say that. She says that is her 'personal canon' or something to that effect.

Her other post was a denial of having said something too.

Might be some retconning going on, considering this is how they've done a lot of things.  They say one thing (she said it to fans at a fan party and more than one person said that is what she said), and later on say another.  It's getting really tiresome.

[Wayning_Star]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...


It does matter. It wasn't terribly professional, no, but it was Flynn's personal twitter account, not an official Bioware account. If someone was sending death threats to any of my friends, I would not feel bad about telling them to **** off. Maybe not the most professional response, but a very human one which would at least give the (albeit temporary) satisfaction of sticking up for a friend under fire. Additionally, I imagine the guy will have been told off by his bosses, but that wouldn't have happened in the public eye, and nor should it have. 

You might note that the other account (BrandesHepler) to which the remarks Flynn responded to were addressed, has been deactivated. That was Jennifer Hepler's account - she no longer has a twitter account because of the sheer volume of abuse from the various morons who decided to sacrifice genuine debate on game mechanics for the sake of harassment for lulz.  

@Spambot .... while there isn't much I would put past EA, I might need a bigger tinfoil hat for that one

Edit: Er, since continuing this line of thought will probably get the thread locked, I won't say any more on it.

The problem is once you link your personal and business life on twitter or anywhere out there, your personal account no longer is that.  The line is blurred.  Not saying he's a celebrity, but putting yourself out there in the public eye and then using your previously personal account for business purposes, changes things.  I think you missed the mess that Facebook causes people when looking for a job.  Anything you put on the internet exists forever.  So, some people use Facebook with their full name to show themselves vomiting after drinking binges or doing any manner of things, and then wonder why they didn't get some great job in IT.  Others use Facebook to promote their resumes.

And, want a personal account, make one-don't use your full name or use a name that random people wouldn't be able to find.  But, if you work for a company, attend panels that the public attends and then tweet about those things, your personal account is no longer personal.  You represent your business.

See, you have no idea that she no longer has a twitter account.  She might, but it may be a truly personal one.

I am absolutely not condoning idiots that abuse people in this way, but those people need to be reported to twitter and banned, you don't respond in kind or you just lost the argument.

no, your personal account is still your personal account...

[Red Panda]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

http://social.biowar...758618/12758842

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.

When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.

A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Suggest being the opreative word there, still not a confirmation.

"and the final scene reveals they are correct."

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

[AllThatJazz]

@Wayning_Star Interesting article, thanks 'Goat Roping' is a good term for it. Twitter is such an immediate form of social networking, too, particularly conducive to these sorts of exchanges.

It's so easy to write something as a knee-jerk response or whatever, then you hit the 'enter' key and it's too late - you can delete the tweet, but by then it's been retweeted or reported goodness knows how many times. There've been a number of cases in the UK recently with celebrities etc tweeting something silly in the heat of the moment and then having cause to regret it. One of the many reasons I find Twitter quite unappealing :/

Thanks again for the read!

Edited for slpeling msitkae!

Edit again: 3D and Beyond - it really wasn't an 'argument' at this point, though, was it? It was just a bloke standing up for a mate and using some unprofessional language to do it. At the risk of devaluing this debate into something far too emotive, I would really appreciate it if a friend of mine publically stood up for me if I was being harassed like this, and I believe that my friends would appreciate my support if it's something they were going through. And at the end of the day, showing solidarity with a mate would be of more importance to me than p!ssing off my boss and being rude to some guy who threatens my friends.


My husband works for the BBC - most Beeb staff write a disclaimer in their Twitter profile which states that any views expressed are not those of the BBC. I find this a pointless bit of clarification tbh, since it should be perfectly obvious that personal accounts are personal and not representative of one's employers. However, maybe it's something Bio staff should consider to try and avoid any future controversy.

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:22 .

[macrocarl]

Destroy is not a cliff hanger. It is meant to be openly interpreted. The devs have said this many many times.

[Wayning_Star]

3DandBeyond wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Jessica Merizan also has said that in any future ME game, Synthesis will have happened. 

One of the only two posts by Jessica Merizan I've ever seen on the story forum in the 6 months I've been reading it was a denial she ever meant to say that. She says that is her 'personal canon' or something to that effect.

Her other post was a denial of having said something too.

Might be some retconning going on, considering this is how they've done a lot of things.  They say one thing (she said it to fans at a fan party and more than one person said that is what she said), and later on say another.  It's getting really tiresome.

yeah, metagaming sucks!! lol

[Nightwriter]

Mr.House wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

OK...so....since I always sound as a broken record (but this really pisses me off) how exactly is it FAIR that Control and Synthesis get full closure INCLUDING A GOD SPEECH FROM SHEPARD in control......and Destroy just gets IMPLICATIONS?

Endings where Shepard dies = Samara
Ending where Shepard lives = Morinth

You chose Morinth. You weren't supposed to. Enjoy your half-assed content.

Even though this is a jest, this does feel that way..

Jokes are appreciable because there is often some truth to them.

[Wayning_Star]

OperatingWookie wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

http://social.biowar...758618/12758842

One of the goals for the Extended Cut, as part of addressing player feedback, was to provide more time with the love interest, and more opportunity for players to say goodbye to them and provide additional moments of connection between them. We did this in several ways:

Shepard can now actually say goodbye to the love interest when they are split up at the conduit run.

When Shepard sees flashbacks of important characters during the final decision, the flashbacks are now variable based on your playthrough – so your love interest can appear as one of the flashbacks, providing another moment of reflection between Shepard and that character.

A memorial scene was added, partly to show a close bond between Shepard and the love interest. The scene is variable, and if Shepard has a love interest in a given playthrough, it will be that character who places Shepard’s name on the memorial wall.

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the love interest and Shepard will again be together.

Suggest being the opreative word there, still not a confirmation.

"and the final scene reveals they are correct."

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

Hope is a good breakfast but a bad supper.  Bacon, Francis 

[AlanC9]

Fedi.St wrote...

Shepard Living or Dying is up to the individual. There is no "official" live or die.

First time I see this comment. If this is true then most probably me4 will be a prequel.

It's not like Shepard was coming back anyway.

[3DandBeyond]

Wayning_Star wrote...


no, your personal account is still your personal account...

Not the way it works, unfortunately.  If you use an account to discuss your business by name and are linking to your business in that account, you are no longer using it only as a personal account.  You can get a personal one or let's call it more private one by not using your full or even real name.  You can also create a total business one-for instance, FlynnBioware, so that people use that to talk about your work.

If you work for say, Apple, and then go out on twitter and keep talking about Apple and then rip on people that dislike Apple, believe me, Apple will not like it.  You are not expressing your personal opinion anymore, you are speaking as if you are Apple.  That is how businesses see it.  I know this because of all of the places I have worked, as well as what others in my family deal with all the time-many are managers and business people, and have had to deal with similar issues.  One recently dealt with a similar thing and had to "discuss" such a matter with an employee-to keep their personal separate from the business because everything they said reflected upon the business. 

[crimzontearz]

It pains me to say also that other games from lesser studios (when it comes down to writing) got similar endings nailed and bioware failed.

TWICE

Take for example the end of Crysis 2, the hero lives, there is ambiguity and virtually everyone was happy especially with the book later shedding even more light on it all in ways the ME books post Drew K never could

WTF Bioware

[Alien Number Six]

Another ending thread. Yawn.

[Wayning_Star]

AllThatJazz wrote...

@Wayning_Star Interesting article, thanks 'Goat Roping' is a good term for it. Twitter is such an immediate form of social networking, too, particularly conducive to these sorts of exchanges.

It's so easy to write something as a knee-jerk response or whatever, then you hit the 'enter' key and it's too late - you can delete the tweet, but by then it's been retweeted or reported goodness knows how many times. There've been a number of cases in the UK recently with celebrities etc tweeting something silly in the heat of the moment and then having cause to regret it. One of the many reasons I find Twitter quite unappealing :/

Thanks again for the read!

Edited for slpeling msitkae!

Edit again: 3D and Beyond - it really wasn't an 'argument' at this point, though, was it? It was just a bloke standing up for a mate and using some unprofessional language to do it. At the risk of devaluing this debate into something far too emotive, I would really appreciate it if a friend of mine publically stood up for me if I was being harassed like this, and I believe that my friends would appreciate my support if it's something they were going through. And at the end of the day, showing solidarity with a mate would be of more importance to me than p!ssing off my boss and being rude to some guy who threatens my friends.


My husband works for the BBC - most Beeb staff write a disclaimer in their Twitter profile which states that any views expressed are not those of the BBC. I find this a pointless bit of clarification tbh, since it should be perfectly obvious that personal accounts are personal and not representative of one's employers. However, maybe it's something Bio staff should consider to try and avoid any future controversy.

Monty Python just rolled over in their respective gravities..lol

[AllThatJazz]

@Wayning_Star You're full of good links today! Loved those Francis Bacon quotes

[AllThatJazz]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

@Wayning_Star Interesting article, thanks 'Goat Roping' is a good term for it. Twitter is such an immediate form of social networking, too, particularly conducive to these sorts of exchanges.

It's so easy to write something as a knee-jerk response or whatever, then you hit the 'enter' key and it's too late - you can delete the tweet, but by then it's been retweeted or reported goodness knows how many times. There've been a number of cases in the UK recently with celebrities etc tweeting something silly in the heat of the moment and then having cause to regret it. One of the many reasons I find Twitter quite unappealing :/

Thanks again for the read!

Edited for slpeling msitkae!

Edit again: 3D and Beyond - it really wasn't an 'argument' at this point, though, was it? It was just a bloke standing up for a mate and using some unprofessional language to do it. At the risk of devaluing this debate into something far too emotive, I would really appreciate it if a friend of mine publically stood up for me if I was being harassed like this, and I believe that my friends would appreciate my support if it's something they were going through. And at the end of the day, showing solidarity with a mate would be of more importance to me than p!ssing off my boss and being rude to some guy who threatens my friends.


My husband works for the BBC - most Beeb staff write a disclaimer in their Twitter profile which states that any views expressed are not those of the BBC. I find this a pointless bit of clarification tbh, since it should be perfectly obvious that personal accounts are personal and not representative of one's employers. However, maybe it's something Bio staff should consider to try and avoid any future controversy.

Monty Python just rolled over in their respective gravities..lol

Didn't they just?

[Wayning_Star]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


no, your personal account is still your personal account...

Not the way it works, unfortunately.  If you use an account to discuss your business by name and are linking to your business in that account, you are no longer using it only as a personal account.  You can get a personal one or let's call it more private one by not using your full or even real name.  You can also create a total business one-for instance, FlynnBioware, so that people use that to talk about your work.

If you work for say, Apple, and then go out on twitter and keep talking about Apple and then rip on people that dislike Apple, believe me, Apple will not like it.  You are not expressing your personal opinion anymore, you are speaking as if you are Apple.  That is how businesses see it.  I know this because of all of the places I have worked, as well as what others in my family deal with all the time-many are managers and business people, and have had to deal with similar issues.  One recently dealt with a similar thing and had to "discuss" such a matter with an employee-to keep their personal separate from the business because everything they said reflected upon the business. 

I see you're point Kiddo, it's just that its "just" a twitter account...and that is about it. It could 'reflect' on your business, but then it also could not. So it's not effectual, in that regard. One employee dissing a troll isn't bottom line stuff. Technically, it could bolster sales, even IF in bad taste.

[Wayning_Star]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

@Wayning_Star Interesting article, thanks 'Goat Roping' is a good term for it. Twitter is such an immediate form of social networking, too, particularly conducive to these sorts of exchanges.

It's so easy to write something as a knee-jerk response or whatever, then you hit the 'enter' key and it's too late - you can delete the tweet, but by then it's been retweeted or reported goodness knows how many times. There've been a number of cases in the UK recently with celebrities etc tweeting something silly in the heat of the moment and then having cause to regret it. One of the many reasons I find Twitter quite unappealing :/

Thanks again for the read!

Edited for slpeling msitkae!

Edit again: 3D and Beyond - it really wasn't an 'argument' at this point, though, was it? It was just a bloke standing up for a mate and using some unprofessional language to do it. At the risk of devaluing this debate into something far too emotive, I would really appreciate it if a friend of mine publically stood up for me if I was being harassed like this, and I believe that my friends would appreciate my support if it's something they were going through. And at the end of the day, showing solidarity with a mate would be of more importance to me than p!ssing off my boss and being rude to some guy who threatens my friends.


My husband works for the BBC - most Beeb staff write a disclaimer in their Twitter profile which states that any views expressed are not those of the BBC. I find this a pointless bit of clarification tbh, since it should be perfectly obvious that personal accounts are personal and not representative of one's employers. However, maybe it's something Bio staff should consider to try and avoid any future controversy.

Monty Python just rolled over in their respective gravities..lol

Didn't they just?

they never just!! er..jest. they're quite litteral..

[AlanC9]

OperatingWookie wrote...

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

I've always found this argument a little odd. If we saw the breath scene at the end of, say, a TV show, no one -- I think literally no one -- would think that the character was going to die a couple of seconds or minutes later. We all know that scenes exist for a reason, and the reason for that scene to exist is to show that the character didn't die.

I'm not talking about  "closure" here, just death. (Though personally I thought my Destroy Sheps were closed just fine.)

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

I've always found this argument a little odd. If we saw the breath scene at the end of, say, a TV show, no one -- I think literally no one -- would think that the character was going to die a couple of seconds or minutes later. We all know that scenes exist for a reason, and the reason for that scene to exist is to show that the character didn't die.

I'm not talking about  "closure" here, just death. (Though personally I thought my Destroy Sheps were closed just fine.)

A tv show likely would have shown the breathing form being found by someone.  That alone boosts SHep's odd of suvival by order of magnitude.  At the very least, we would have seen Shepard's face, teh eyes opening.

 Seeing the life in another person's face can be very comforting...Eyes are the windows to the soul. 

[Wayning_Star]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

I've always found this argument a little odd. If we saw the breath scene at the end of, say, a TV show, no one -- I think literally no one -- would think that the character was going to die a couple of seconds or minutes later. We all know that scenes exist for a reason, and the reason for that scene to exist is to show that the character didn't die.

I'm not talking about  "closure" here, just death. (Though personally I thought my Destroy Sheps were closed just fine.)

A tv show likely would have shown the breathing form being found by someone.  That alone boosts SHep's odd of suvival by order of magnitude.  At the very least, we would have seen Shepard's face, teh eyes opening.

 Seeing the life in another person's face can be very comforting...Eyes are the windows to the soul. 

it all leads back to the 'canon' of the story. One fans destroy is another fans synthesis..etc..

[JamieCOTC]

crimzontearz wrote...


"the ending stuff was tough to take, we all played it and went through it and none of us really got the magnitude that people were going to be upset about it"

Sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees.  When you work
w/ something so cloe, you can miss things that others would plainly
see. You need to take a break, take a step back and then come back to it
later. Then maybe you can see the flaws.  I know nothing about game develpoment, so stepping back may be a luxury in the industry some can't afford.

crimzontearz wrote...
"I am happy with how the extended cut turned out. I think we did a good job of trying to wrap those choices up and reflect that back to the player in a fair and responsible way. it's a good learning experience for us in the future, in that you can underestimate how much people love their characters. So we'll be watching that much more carefully next time"

So we live w/ Shepard through 3 games and they didn't think we would get attactched to him/her?  Wow.
------------------

Actually, they did know that some people wouldn't like the ending, they just underestimated the reaction. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 13 décembre 2012 - 04:46 .

[Nightwriter]

I originally thought it was perfectly clear that the breath scene is meant to indicate life. Then what's-his-face made that comment about death gasps and such. Then other people told me he was just making a spiteful joke. Then I asked for proof that it was a joke. Then they fell silent.

[3DandBeyond]

Wayning_Star wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...


no, your personal account is still your personal account...

Not the way it works, unfortunately.  If you use an account to discuss your business by name and are linking to your business in that account, you are no longer using it only as a personal account.  You can get a personal one or let's call it more private one by not using your full or even real name.  You can also create a total business one-for instance, FlynnBioware, so that people use that to talk about your work.

If you work for say, Apple, and then go out on twitter and keep talking about Apple and then rip on people that dislike Apple, believe me, Apple will not like it.  You are not expressing your personal opinion anymore, you are speaking as if you are Apple.  That is how businesses see it.  I know this because of all of the places I have worked, as well as what others in my family deal with all the time-many are managers and business people, and have had to deal with similar issues.  One recently dealt with a similar thing and had to "discuss" such a matter with an employee-to keep their personal separate from the business because everything they said reflected upon the business. 

I see you're point Kiddo, it's just that its "just" a twitter account...and that is about it. It could 'reflect' on your business, but then it also could not. So it's not effectual, in that regard. One employee dissing a troll isn't bottom line stuff. Technically, it could bolster sales, even IF in bad taste.

Actually, take a look at something that happened just recently.  A lady responded on Facebook to a comment someone made and she got fired for it.  I'm not saying that should happen, but I am saying that if you link your personal and business in something you intend to be personal only, it no longer is and it reflects upon your business if the allow you to say any old thing you want.  I have a general disgust for a lot of the ways BW employees have handled all things twitter.  And Flynn isn't the only employee to do this kind of thing-others have used it to call people on the BSN names or to themselves whine about things said about them (or in the one case something supposedly said that I could never find).

It isn't just twitter.  Twitter accounts are used to promote people, their ideas, and their businesses.  BW has used twitter to fill in story left out of their games and to kill off people and so on.  So, whatever, it was still not the right way to handle any of it and shows a distinct lack of maturity, especially considering the abusive person or persons probably enjoyed making him angry-that was the real point of tweeting such garbage.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

For the moment, but who says that Shepard will live long enough to be found, that shepard won't die alone in the rubble?

You don't know, and that is what bothers one.

I've always found this argument a little odd. If we saw the breath scene at the end of, say, a TV show, no one -- I think literally no one -- would think that the character was going to die a couple of seconds or minutes later. We all know that scenes exist for a reason, and the reason for that scene to exist is to show that the character didn't die.

I'm not talking about  "closure" here, just death. (Though personally I thought my Destroy Sheps were closed just fine.)

This reflects a basic loss of trust in the developers. Players get the feeling that the scene was inserted just to meet some minimum requirement thing, and the devs cannot be trusted not to turn around and say 'Ooops, Shep died just after that scene.' It's not really helpful when BioWare personnel hint at this possibility in public talks and internet posts. 

[CronoDragoon]

AlanC9 wrote...

I've always found this argument a little odd. If we saw the breath scene at the end of, say, a TV show, no one -- I think literally no one -- would think that the character was going to die a couple of seconds or minutes later. We all know that scenes exist for a reason, and the reason for that scene to exist is to show that the character didn't die.

I mean, shouldn't this be obvious to everyone? BW was diplomatic in asserting the open-ended nature of that scene, but considering all the unbelievable stuff that Shepard has survived in the series, I find the assumption of the worst case scenario more sour grapes over no reunion scene.

You're free to want a reunion scene, but assuming the opposite of what you want to happen is a little silly.