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Ryuuken117

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I play the Steam version of DA:O. I was happy with the game - I even decided to re-play it as a different character, just to try out the Mage's origin story.

One day, Steam does what it usually does - it automatically updates the game.

Then, social.bioware.com/playerprofile.php happens.

As soon as I reach the Frostbacks, my portrait and equipment screens begin to look like they've been mugged by a roving band of anthropomorphic blenders. These screens get immersed in black pixels that wash up and down, making it absolutely impossible to tell anything but the general details of the character. This effect persisted despite my attempts to change my graphics settings, screen resolution, even DLC settings.

I tried reloading the game - I even went back to look at my previous profile - and, surprise surprise, the problem persisted. I lurked the forums for a while, looking for the solution to the problem, but I only found two people who experienced the same kind of trouble I did, and it's apparently a rare problem since the threads were abandoned without a single reply.

So now I'm back, asking for help. I use a Dell Inspiron 531S (probably not the best machine to run a game like this) computer with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Processor 4000+ 2.11 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 @ 256MB, 40 GB free storage and 2 GB of RAM. These are not the greatest of specs for a current/next gen game like Dragon Age, but I didn't have a problem until the patch updated.

This is a big problem for me. Dragon Age is one of my favorite games, and it's incredibly irritating to not be able to see my equipment model or portrait - or any character's portrait/equipment screen. I turn to you in my hour of need. :o

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Bump.

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Same problem here, although it happened from the start (version 1.0) and updating to 1.2 didn't help. System specs:

AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (3GB RAM)

NVIDIA GeForce 7050 PV / NVIDIA nForce 630a (512MB VRAM)




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Gorath Alpha

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Neither of the two of you has any complaint at all.  You are both misusing the same very basic, partly defective, old onboard video chip (slightly different models, but hardly different), which is miles below the minimum requirement.  You are getting no worse than you should have expwected with such low quaklity video hardware. 

What screen resolutions are you attempting to use?  800 by 600 is about the max, to be honest.    You can try running the game windowed.  That has helped others who refused to upgrade from such terrible junk for video. 

IMO, any real card that is  less capable than the HD 4650 you can purchase today, online, stateside, for $50, is not doing this game any justice at all. 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/519461

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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 09 janvier 2010 - 12:37 .


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The cards may be below spec performance wise, but they do support the same interfaces as far as I'm aware. So I'm not sure how that could cause the glitch - unless they don't quite perform as they should ("partly defective"?). It's not exactly a performance issue, the game runs quite fine otherwise (not super-fast, but ok).

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You are now mis-using the words for what a real video device is. A "card" is a physical device built onto a printed circuit electronics assembly board, with quite a number of parts attached to it, and an edge connector along its bottom side that is intended to plug into a "slot" in a desktop PC mainboard. Onboard chips are just that, a single part, that has been integrated into and inside of a larger chip called an ASIC.

The "parent" device was the GPU silicon in the Geforce 6200A video card, which had difficulties with various pixel shader code, most notoriously with an inability to display a cloudy sky. They made a checkerboard effect instead. There have been other anomalies reported as well.

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Mea culpa, you were right: upgrading to a GeForce 9600 GT removed the glitch and also did wonders for speed.. :)

Modifié par Yugu, 10 janvier 2010 - 09:49 .


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Gorath, I had no trouble until the patch updated the game. I was running the game at a fairly high resolution with medium graphics and texture, and I got a decent framerate. It was only after the game updated that I experienced this problem. But thank you for your input.

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I'm having what I think might be the same graphical glitch. Recently, I loaded up the game and random characters have very dark skin. They look like they have mud rubbed all over their faces. For example, both Morrigan and Wynne are affected.



My graphics cards are pretty good. I have twin 8800gt cards running in SLI configuration.

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Hmm. On deeper reflection, probably not the exact same glitch. The only thing impacted is the faces of various characters and NPCs.

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I have the same problem with my equipment screen and portraits. Even in previously saved games or any version or type of a new character. Occasionally there is like one way of getting the portrait to show by a camera rotation but it just messes up later anyway. This also happened for me after the recent patch and I also have been running the game with a decent video card that has not had ny trouble until now. I really would like a solution to be presented, even if the solution simply removes all of the patch back to the last version.

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Gorath Alpha

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There already is a way to back up, and AFAIK, it is the only way to do it. You uninstall the game, then stop short of the 1.03 / 1.04 pair of patches when you reinstall .

You are not going to enjoy the game, no matter what patch level, if your hardware has the same, or similar, defects compared to the two original posters last winter.  All of the low end Geforces in the 6n00 and 7n00 generations suffered from the problem, other than the 7300 GT, which was a cut-down 7600 GS.  That includes the 6100, 6150, 6200, 7050, 7100, 7150, 7200, 7300 GS, 7400 Go, and many of the Vanilla 6600s. 

Here is the Vanilla 6600, the best of all those, except the 7300 GT, which was slower, but without the odd defect. 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

It is side by side with the 6800 GS, which is the practical minimum (for medium textures), since the official 6600 GT would be stuck with small textures. 

As you can see, the Vanilla 6600 is about one third as good as the 6800 GS. 

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Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 27 juillet 2010 - 12:40 .


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ChibiAkagi wrote...

I have the same problem with my equipment screen and portraits. Even in previously saved games or any version or type of a new character. Occasionally there is like one way of getting the portrait to show by a camera rotation but it just messes up later anyway. This also happened for me after the recent patch and I also have been running the game with a decent video card that has not had ny trouble until now. I really would like a solution to be presented, even if the solution simply removes all of the patch back to the last version.


Are you on Steam?  Because you might be able to make sure Steam installed the patch correctly and didn't corrup your game.  In your library, right click on the game, choose "Properties," and then select the "Local Files" tab.  Click the "Verify Integrity" button, and let it do its thing.

Modifié par lizzbee, 27 juillet 2010 - 01:10 .


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Again I will repeat that I have run the game just fine before so it is not my graphics card. Also I am not running through the steam engine.

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ChibiAkagi wrote...

Again I will repeat that I have run the game just fine before so it is not my graphics card. Also I am not running through the steam engine.


1. What graphics card are you using, and have you updated the drivers recently?
2. Is your game fully patched?
3. Steam isn't an engine, it's a software application. Sorry, felt a little pedantic there.

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ChibiAkagi wrote...

Again I will repeat that I have run the game just fine before so it is not my graphics card. Also I am not running through the steam engine.


As far as I know, there's no way to roll back a patch without uninstalling and reinstalling.  I'm wondering if the patch did something to corrupt some of the game files-- I've been having crappy, glitchy audio and more crashes since I intstalled 1.04.  And to date, there doesn't seem to be a solution for any of it.  I'm personally hesitant to uninstall/reinstall especially after I've read that people have had issues reinstalling the game after patching their initial install to 1.04.

Sorry, I know that's no help at all to you, but I figured you shouldn't hold out the vain hope of a patch rollback.

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Not to be sarcastic to someone at least trying to help, I know what steam is. MY graphics card is a geforce 7300. Also I have no problem with uninstalling and reinstalling the game however I believe you are only allowed to do this like 3 times or something. I wanted to ask if thats what I have to do, is it 3 downloads or 3 installs, I remember the message about it when I first purchased the game.

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Steam has unlimited downloads, as far as I'm aware. I've not seen anything to the contrary.

Have you upgraded your drivers recently? If what Gorath said is correct, then it may be a case of your hardware being at fault, not the game.

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Gorath Alpha wrote...

You are not going to enjoy the game, no matter what patch level, if your hardware has the same, or similar, defects compared to the two original posters last winter.  All of the low end Geforces in the 6n00 and 7n00 generations suffered from the problem, other than the 7300 GT, which was a cut-down 7600 GS.  That includes the 6100, 6150, 6200, 7050, 7100, 7150, 7200, 7300 GS, 7400 Go, and many of the Vanilla 6600s. 

Here is the Vanilla 6600, the best of all those, except the 7300 GT, which was slower, but without the odd defect. 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

It is side by side with the 6800 GS, which is the practical minimum (for medium textures), since the official 6600 GT would be stuck with small textures. 

As you can see, the Vanilla 6600 is about one third as good as the 6800 GS. 

Other than the 7300 GT, as named, all 7300 Geforces are / were crap back in 2006 when they were new, and selling for $35.  Today, they  are worth about thirty cents each. 

www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php

Compared to the practical minimum for Medium textures, the 7300 is only able to produce performance numbers 20%, 43%, 32%, 43%, and 64% as good, while still including the defetctive shader functions endemic to the rest of its anemic relatives. 

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/58/index/509580/3#4383910

Set the 7300 to Small textures in DA, and it will only improve its responsivelness by about 10 %.

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 08 août 2010 - 10:32 .