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[SpunkyMonkey]

Morrigan must return.

Baring in mind how her mother can cheat death, it's not far stretch to imagine that she has now learned how to as well.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 14 décembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Kidd]

What's the status of the DA2 companions? Which ones can be dead and which ones can't?

Anders: Can be dead
Aveline: Alive
Bethany: Can be dead
Carver: Can be dead
Fenris: Can be dead
Isabela: Alive
Merrill: Can be dead
Sebastian: Alive
Varric: Alive

Did I screw anything up?

[Fast Jimmy]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

What's the status of the DA2 companions? Which ones can be dead and which ones can't?

Anders: Can be dead
Aveline: Alive
Bethany: Can be dead
Carver: Can be dead
Fenris: Can be dead
Isabela: Alive
Merrill: Can be dead
Sebastian: Alive
Varric: Alive

Did I screw anything up?

I'd make the caveat that Sebastian is a DLC character. And Bioware usually does a terrible job of making DLC characters feel intergrated into the main story, mostly because only a smaller subsect of players ever dealt with the character.

One could see that as a huge flaw of both the Save Import system and of the Day One DLC model to always be a companion... if one wanted to...

EDIT: I would also change Anders to say "SHOULD be dead." But that's just me personally.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

Wynne officially "dies" in Asunder.

Morrigan cannot be killed in any Origins playthrough.

99.99999% certain that you can kill her at the end of witch hunt.

No, it says you can "(Attack)" her. A kill button has "(Kill)" written in DAO.

[chuckwells62]

Of the many unresolved lore aspects from the original game, the return of Morrigan (more than anyone else) would require the least explanation, had she died in a particular gamers save file. She did (or could have) receive(d) Flemeth's true grimoire and thus found a cheat like her "mother's" to escape a possible death (had it occurred); plus not getting another chance to hear Claudia Black's voice in the next game would just be tragic. I want both Morrigan and Claudia back in the worst possible way!

[Sylvanpyxie]

99.99999% certain that you can kill her at the end of witch hunt.

You can stab her in the chest and she'll fall through the mirror. Death unconfirmed.

Brilliant move on Bioware's part. It gave the players who wanted her dead a sense of closure, but it left open a loophole for them to exploit since we didn't actually see her die.

[Fast Jimmy]

^

This. I think there was either a confirmation or an allusion made by David Gaider a month or so ago that, even if you stabbed Morrigan as she fell into the mirror, she was not killed by this. It was a non-fatal use of the Murder Knife.

[BubbleDncr]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

99.99999% certain that you can kill her at the end of witch hunt.

You can stab her in the chest and she'll fall through the mirror. Death unconfirmed.

Brilliant move on Bioware's part. It gave the players who wanted her dead a sense of closure, but it left open a loophole for them to exploit since we didn't actually see her die.

I don't think it was brilliant at all - it didn't give me a sense of closure, because since she fell through the mirror, I immediately knew that meant they'd use it as an excuse to bring her back.

It just angered me, because I felt my Warden wouldn't have been that dumb - that she would have stabbed Morrigan, grabbed ahold of her, thrown her on the ground, and made sure she was dead.

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 14 décembre 2012 - 07:19 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

It just angered me

What would anger you more? Having the option to try and fail or succeed and having another resurrection, Leliana-Style?

Sure, i'd have loved the option to actually kill Morrigan and keep her dead, but when it comes down to it i'd rather live through an "unconfirmed death" than deal with another full-blown resurrection plot-hole.

Maybe that's just me.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 14 décembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[BubbleDncr]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

It just angered me

What would anger you more? Having the option to try and fail or succeed and having another resurrection, Leliana-Style?

Sure, i'd have loved the option to actually kill Morrigan and keep her dead, but when it comes down to it i'd rather live through an "unconfirmed death" than deal with another full-blown resurrection plot-hole.

Maybe that's just me.

That would probably be more bothersome - I'm just saying it didn't really give players who wanted to kill her closure, because it was immediately obvious that since you didn't see her die, she probably won't really be dead.

Cool avatar, btw.

Modifié par BubbleDncr, 14 décembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Fraq Hound]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

Good. They shouldn't return anyway. Time to let some new character shine.

This.

It's been a long time since the events of the first game. Honestly I don't care about those characters anymore.

Morrigan and the child should have been addressed in the sequel.

Dragon Age 2 just left a bad taste in my mouth all around and I didn't really form an attachment to any of it's characters, not even my Hawke.

If they want to convince me to purchase, they should move on. Invent some new characters and give us new dilemmas to solve. I don't think I can take much more of that whole, Mage vs. Templar dispute.

[Fast Jimmy]

BubbleDncr wrote...

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

It just angered me

What would anger you more? Having the option to try and fail or succeed and having another resurrection, Leliana-Style?

Sure, i'd have loved the option to actually kill Morrigan and keep her dead, but when it comes down to it i'd rather live through an "unconfirmed death" than deal with another full-blown resurrection plot-hole.

Maybe that's just me.

That would probably be more bothersome - I'm just saying it didn't really give players who wanted to kill her closure, because it was immediately obvious that since you didn't see her die, she probably won't really be dead.

Cool avatar, btw.

<shurg> You can't kill Morrigan. She's got plot armor like no one's business. She's the Liara of the DA franchise.

[sylvanaerie]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Characters might return, however briefly, to give continuity to the events in Thedas - to the overall story of the age.

I would love to see several of them, even if it's just in passing. Or even if they don't appear, but are mentioned as a rumor or side story.

This would be good, I'd prefer rumors of former companions over returning companions.  Frankly Bioware's track record with returnees (Oghren, Anders) hasn't been that stellar (where I'm concerned).

I'd rather see an all new crew for an all new PC.  And have said something to this effect in at least 20 other threads all with this topic in this board.

[zeMadMonkey]

sylvanaerie wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Characters might return, however briefly, to give continuity to the events in Thedas - to the overall story of the age.

I would love to see several of them, even if it's just in passing. Or even if they don't appear, but are mentioned as a rumor or side story.

This would be good, I'd prefer rumors of former companions over returning companions.  Frankly Bioware's track record with returnees (Oghren, Anders) hasn't been that stellar (where I'm concerned).

I'd rather see an all new crew for an all new PC.  And have said something to this effect in at least 20 other threads all with this topic in this board.

If they did return they shouldn't come back as a companion. Let new characters become companions and returning ones make cameos or become quest givers. As companions I think their role in that capacity is done but for the story some may have future parts to play.

[Fast Jimmy]

zeMadMonkey wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Characters might return, however briefly, to give continuity to the events in Thedas - to the overall story of the age.

I would love to see several of them, even if it's just in passing. Or even if they don't appear, but are mentioned as a rumor or side story.

This would be good, I'd prefer rumors of former companions over returning companions.  Frankly Bioware's track record with returnees (Oghren, Anders) hasn't been that stellar (where I'm concerned).

I'd rather see an all new crew for an all new PC.  And have said something to this effect in at least 20 other threads all with this topic in this board.

If they did return they shouldn't come back as a companion. Let new characters become companions and returning ones make cameos or become quest givers. As companions I think their role in that capacity is done but for the story some may have future parts to play.

Agreed.

I mean, after all... a returning companion talking to a new PC - what's that like? Will we hear about Leliana being a bard during her youth in Orlais? Will she tell us tales again about Marjorie? Will it be colored differently with the passage of time the (possible) confrontation with her former master in DA:O?

I don't know... to me, that would be stale and boring. But not to our PC... but it would be to us as a player... which is weird. 

I'd rather just not deal with anyone from the past in any real way if my character is going to be someone different. 

[MorningBird]

I wouldn't mind seeing cameo appearances, but as far as companions go, I'd rather we just get a whole new party, or at least limit it to characters we didn't get to play in a previous game (kind of like how Isabela was brought over from DA:O as a party member in DA2.)

[wsandista]

There will be no returning companions for anything meaningful because of the save imports.

[yfullman]

How can Sten die?

[dgcatanisiri]

I don't mind cameos from the DAO crew, but I don't think that they're really solid possibilities for Inquisition's party. I do, however, think that there's still something to be told with Velanna and Sigrun from Awakening (I may be biased with Sigrun, but Velanna's sister is still an unaccounted for variable, as her fate's still up in the air after the encounter with the Architect). As for the DA2 companions, I think the only one who seriously stands a chance of being a companion again would be Sebastian. Varric might appear, but between romances and variable deaths, the others are probably only going to ever reappear as cameos.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

Flog the 63rd wrote...

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...

Wynne officially "dies" in Asunder.

Morrigan cannot be killed in any Origins playthrough.

99.99999% certain that you can kill her at the end of witch hunt.

Then you are 99.99999% wrong, my man.

Origins had a very clean, clear kill system. When you were presented with the option to kill someone, it said in the dialog tree (KILL) as an option. This left you with no doubt what the result of your action would be.

At the end of Witch Hunt, you have the option to (ATTACK) Morrigan, that's it. The greatest threat Morrigan faces from the player is a stab wound, nothing more. She is alive.

[Mummy22kids]

Double post

Modifié par Mummy22kids, 15 décembre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Mummy22kids]

yfullman wrote...

How can Sten die?

You can leave him in Lothering and not free him.  The assumption is that he gets killed by darkspawn.

[Scarlet Rabbi]

yfullman wrote...

How can Sten die?

If instead of going straight for the Arch Demon you indulge in side quests and the like, Sten will eventually grow impatient and challange you for control of the party. He can be killed if you let that lead to a fight, but if his approval of you is high enough you can convince him to fall back in line.