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[legbamel]

PsychoBlonde wrote...
It'd actually be funny if one of the COMPANIONS has an embarrassing but kickass parent to lug around. Why should the PC be only one with relatives.

Now this I could get behind!

[Helena Tylena]

Momma Cousland could eff your shiz up. If DA:III protagonist's mom is anything like her, I would very much appreciate having her on the team.

[Xilizhra]

Faerunner wrote...

If the mom is a badass like Adaia from the City Elf Origin? Totally.

Since BioWare likes to give us whiny, co-dependent, stay-at-home mothers for human protagonists like Eleanor for the Cousland Warden, Revka for the Amell Warden and ****ing Leandra for Hawke, I say skip it. The last thing I want is another whiny "I can't do anything without my husband" housewife voiced by Deborah Moore (no offense to her, she's a great voice actress, but I can't stand the characters she voices in Dragon Age) to come on quests.

I don't think there's much risk of adventuring with a retired warrior of dubious skill or one of two random civilian nobles, fear not. Any who'd actually be a party member would be more like Adaia. And yes, this I would definitely support.

Eleanor knows how to fight. She talked about it with a female Cousland, and she's enraged if the Cousland Warden treats her as a weak woman to protect (the term, if I recall, was "Orlesian noblewoman" or something similar). She didn't whine in the origin (though she feared for his husband and sons, which every mother who care about his loved one would), and she wasn't dependant. She's capable of managing Highever, since Bryce thought that her presence would undermine the Warden's authority.

Well, she did choose to die for no discernible reason while effectively abandoning her own kid. That's not exactly endearing.

Leandra was more or less  co-dependent and a stay-at-home mother, and she mourned the loss of her children, but 1)not every mother is a strong, indipendant woman with fighting skills, as not every man is like that, and 2) she lost one-two children. This is (in general) a very bad hit for a parents, and not everyone is able to react (or react soon, since in Act 2 she got better). I'd like to see if Adaia was alive how she would've reacted to her son's death.

Don't bother pursuing this line of inquiry, trust me. Faerunner's hatred of Leandra is very much solid.

I'd say it's more an hate about humans or human nobles, since the complain was about a NPC we didn't even see in the games.

To be fair, quite a few human nobles suck in general. And the nobility as a whole is not a... "good" class.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:34 .

[Josielyn]

How about getting to BE the mom or dad in DA3? And your grown child just doesn't listen...

[Silfren]

Faerunner wrote...


Since BioWare likes to give us whiny, co-dependent, stay-at-home mothers for human protagonists like Eleanor for the Cousland Warden, Revka for the Amell Warden and ****ing Leandra for Hawke, I say skip it.

The hell?  Eleanor Cousland was neither whiny nor co-dependent, and the SAHM bit is just mind-boggling, given that she was a teyrna, as opposed to, say, fishwife or washwoman.  And how you can have any opinion at all about a character we've only heard scant bits about and never seen for ourselves is a mystery.

[Daissran]

Rinshikai10 wrote...

It might work if the mother is a solider or former solider that could be used as a tool to level up or learn new skills.

I love the idea of having a mother that was a former soldier and inspired the PC to become a warrior. You know, just sitting back, talking old war stories with your mother who had once taken down darkspawn and ogres. Kind of like if your PC was once a warrior and could impart the same experiences onto her own children someday.

[TNT1991]

joe2353 wrote...

PsychoBlonde wrote...

I think we need a Dad this this time, for variety. We haven't gotten to adventure with Dad yet.

^ second

 

Third.

I can't stand moms--in video games and in real life. DA2 was no different (never cared when leandra died--was actually glad she did). Much prefer fathers, anyway. 

Josielyn wrote...

How about getting to BE the mom or dad in DA3? And your grown child just doesn't listen...

 

This, I also like. 

[brushyourteeth]

If my mother is Flemeth?

Yes, please.

[Silfren]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, she did choose to die for no discernible reason while effectively abandoning her own kid. That's not exactly endearing.

No discernible reason?  Hardly.  She very plainly said that her child had a better chance to escape without her.  That isn't discernible in the least.  It is also actually a very good reason for her choice to stay behind.  She was a capable fighter, but she was still older than both Duncan and her child, so she would have slowed them down regardless of her skill.  And it is also true that two people have a better chance of escape than three.  When your only option for survival is to run like hell, the smaller the group is, the better. 

She wasn't abandoning her child, she was maximizing their chance to escape alive.

[TEWR]

Well, if it's to happen then when I'm fighting in a battle mom should go "Honey, you've got some blood on your cheek! Let me get that for you!"

Cue all the Darkspawn rolling on the ground and laughing themselves silly.

Crustybot wrote...

She ought to disapprove of every person the player tries to shack up with. Except the Broodmother.

And if you leave her behind on quests, she nags you about it. Also, she keeps track of how long you've been playing and tutt-tutts you if you've been playing for too long.

Also this. And what ReconTeam said on the first page.

Silfren wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, she did choose to die for no discernible reason while effectively abandoning her own kid. That's not exactly endearing.

No discernible reason?  Hardly.  She very plainly said that her child had a better chance to escape without her.

Wasn't it more precisely that Bryce said Duncan and the HN -- plus Dog -- had a better chance to escape if they left him behind, because he was wounded and would slow them down? And that Eleanor wouldn't leave him behind out of love?

Reason I ask is because I haven't done a Human Noble run in a long while now. Either way, it's still valid. Plus, she also says she'll fight to buy them as much time as possible. 

Considering I always take her armor and weapons, she was fighting off soldiers with her bare hands. That woman's got some spirit, I tell you what.

....

Propane.

  Silfren wrote...

And it is also true that two people have a better chance of escape than three.  When your only option for survival is to run like hell, the smaller the group is, the better.  

Sure, but didn't the escape cellar lead out into the actual town as opposed to the outside of the castle? Given that Arl Howe's soldiers are assaulting the castle, I'm not so sure she couldn't have escaped alongside them. Especially if the soldiers are busy and it's dark out.

Teyrn Cousland's son/daughter is hardly going to be an unknown person here. It's not like people would go "There's the Teyrna! But who's that bloke? No matter, get the Teyrna!"

Granted, Howe's soldiers were more then likely assaulting the town as well. Considering the soldiers Howe stationed at Highever will remark upon how the townsfolk looked upon them with hatred and scorn, that's probably the case.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 décembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[Fredward]

No.

[Silfren]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, she did choose to die for no discernible reason while effectively abandoning her own kid. That's not exactly endearing.

No discernible reason?  Hardly.  She very plainly said that her child had a better chance to escape without her.

Wasn't it more precisely that Bryce said Duncan and the HN -- plus Dog -- had a better chance to escape if they left him behind, because he was wounded and would slow them down? And that Eleanor wouldn't leave him behind out of love?

Reason I ask is because I haven't done a Human Noble run in a long while now. Either way, it's still valid. Plus, she also says she'll fight to buy them as much time as possible. 

Eleanor's statement to the Cousland Warden is "Darling, go with Duncan.  You have a better chance to escape without me."  She then says to the teyrn, "Hush, Bryce.  I'll kill every soldier who comes through that door to buy them time, but I won't abandon you." 

Bryce wasn't just going to slow them down.  He indicated that he was wounded so badly that just the act of getting to his feet would probably finish him off, so yes, there's that.  It's true that Eleanor probably didn't want to abandon Bryce to die while watching his entire family leave him behind.  But she wasn't at all wrong in her assertion that the HN and Duncan (and yes, Dog, I forgot him) had a better chance to escape without her in tow.  She was older and would have been slower, for one.  And yes, she gave the escapees that much more time by killing as many enemy soldiers as possible.  Given the urgency of the situation, I don't think it was a small thing, to slow down Howe's soldiers as much as she could possibly manage before being cut down herself.

Considering I always take her armor and weapons, she was fighting off soldiers with her bare hands. That woman's got some spirit, I tell you what.

...You take your mother's weapons AND her armor right before you leave her to die?  Maybe I've been right all along to call you The Evil Writer Redux.  That's just low, dude.

Sure, but didn't the escape cellar lead out into the actual town as opposed to the outside of the castle? Given that Arl Howe's soldiers are assaulting the castle, I'm not so sure she couldn't have escaped alongside them. Especially if the soldiers are busy and it's dark out.

Teyrn Cousland's son/daughter is hardly going to be an unknown person here. It's not like people would go "There's the Teyrna! But who's that bloke? No matter, get the Teyrna!"

Granted, Howe's soldiers were more then likely assaulting the town as well. Considering the soldiers Howe stationed at Highever will remark upon how the townsfolk looked upon them with hatred and scorn, that's probably the case.

I'm not at all sure where it led--it was the servant's entrance, not an escape cellar, so it wouldn't necessarily have been a hidden door or anything.  But this doesn't have anything to do with the teyrna running away with the HN and Duncan.  She would have been slower than them, and speed was of the essence, and none of them were in a situation where they could take the time to plan routes or send a scout to gauge the terrain, see what was going on immediately outside.  They had to run.  Of course, they do so with the assumption that there's a free path TO run outside the servant's exit, which would indicate that they believed the soldiers were all focused on the castle itself and wouldn't be waiting outside, or in the town.  How they could make such a blind guess is a good question.

Where do Howe soldiers make comments about Highever residents dissing them?  I don't recall that.  I would have figured Howe put all his soldiers on the attack in order to ensure that there was no possibility of survivors, given he didn't simply target the Couslands, but every living soul in the castle. 

[brushyourteeth]

This is sort of OT, but if I'm remembering correctly, when you play the game as a Cousland you have a dialogue option to tell Jory that you're sorry, but everyone in Highever is probably dead (in reference to his wife, Helena).

It's also one of the things that makes the city elf origin interesting -- the fact that your bride or groom came from Highever to join your alienage just in time to not be massacred by Howe's men.

[Direwolf0294]

I'd actually really like it if a family member was one of your companions in DA3, whether it be a parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, cousin, niece, nephew, sibling or even child.

One of the things that's always disappointed me with DA2 is that your sibling leaves after act 1. I really wanted to see how their relationship with Hawke would have progressed after that. I think family relationships is one that's never really been explored in a BioWare game, at least not through companions, and it would be cool if it was in DA3.

[TEWR]

Silfren wrote...

...You take your mother's weapons AND her armor right before you leave her to die? Maybe I've been right all along to call you The Evil Writer Redux. That's just low, dude.

Very low. Despicably low. Though sometimes I headcanon that there was some better armor and Bryce's sword nearby, just to make it not so evil .

But it's also making her incredibly badass at the same time, because she becomes a Determinator.

Of course, there's no reason to do it any more since I can just exploit the Lothering Trap thing to get thousands and thousands of sovereigns -- though it's an arduous process. That was really the only reason I kept doing it. For the extra 80 silver.

Silfren wrote...

She would have been slower than them, and speed was of the essence, and none of them were in a situation where they could take the time to plan routes or send a scout to gauge the terrain, see what was going on immediately outside.

Ah, but you can rescue at least a dozen guards -- not counting Ser Gilmore and the two with him -- so they could be scouts/escorts, realistically speaking. 

Assuming you do save them, that is. But as this is a game, what would be options in reality isn't possible.

Silfren wrote...

Where do Howe soldiers make comments about Highever residents dissing them?

Arl of Denerim's Estate, IIRC. One soldier says something along the lines of "The stench there was horrendous from all of the corpses. And the people! I swear, if looks of hatred could kill we'd all be dead".

Or maybe it was Fort Drakon...

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

No I prefer having an instructor kind of dad instead ... "Son, do this for the good of the family", "Son, I'm disappoint" etc.

[The Spirit of Dance]

Legatus Arianus wrote...

No I prefer having an instructor kind of dad instead ... "Son, do this for the good of the family", "Son, I'm disappoint" etc.

I second this, it has the potential for many more memorable scenes for me than a mother companion would.

[brushyourteeth]

countdown till thread deteriorates into sexist "It would be better to travel with a male parent than a female one" comments in three... two...


Oh noes! Too late!!

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 14 décembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...

countdown till thread deteriorates into sexist "It would be better to travel with a male parent than a female one" comments in three... two...


Oh noes! Too late!!

Actually... I'd say it's the opposite. We've had one female parent with us -- though not as a companion, but still -- but we've never had our male parents with us.

Malcolm's dead by DAII's beginning, Endrin dies, Bryce dies, DC's dad is out of the picture, CE's dad is stuck in the Alienage for the greater half of the game, Mage's dad is just a name in a file, and the Dalish Elf's dad is also dead.

No, I'd say it isn't sexist to want a male parent with us this time around, if a parent is going to be a core aspect of the PC. 

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

countdown till thread deteriorates into sexist "It would be better to travel with a male parent than a female one" comments in three... two...


Oh noes! Too late!!

Actually... I'd say it's the opposite. We've had one female parent with us -- though not as a companion, but still -- but we've never had our male parents with us.

Malcolm's dead by DAII's beginning, Endrin dies, Bryce dies, DC's dad is out of the picture, CE's dad is stuck in the Alienage for the greater half of the game, Mage's dad is just a name in a file, and the Dalish Elf's dad is also dead.

No, I'd say it isn't sexist to want a male parent with us this time around, if a parent is going to be a core aspect of the PC. 

I'd have to say I disagree with much of that. Mama Aeducan is never even part of the game, as she's dead before DA:O even begins. We at least get the chance to experience a loving relationship with Endrin. Same goes for the City Elf origin (Tabris), but that mom at least gets a name. Bryce dies, but so does Eleanor. The casteless dwarf (Brosca) has an abusive drunk for a mother, and I think the Dalish Elf's mom is equally as dead as the dad is.

Really, though, my comment was relating to the fact that the previous comments weren't "hey, we had a mom last time. It'd be great if we had a dad in the game this time." They were more "No. It would be more memorable (awesome) to have a male parental figure than a female one. No further explanation needed."

Not calling those guys sexist, but the comments were. If you want to explain why a father is better than a mother, you certainly need a much better explanation than that. Because male > female = sexist.

... I'm a little disappointed that I had to explain that. 

[Mummy22kids]

I'm a mom and I'd love to have one along for the ride. I could just hear her saying "because I'm the mom and I said so". Oh and I think my kids would love it if I was as bad ass as the Teyrna.

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...

... I'm a little disappointed that I had to explain that.

Ah. It's late here, so my mind is frazzled. What should be obvious to me is, at best, going to take a bit to sink in unless I get some sleep.

But I understand now. Yes, giving reasons beyond "just 'cuz" should be included.

[Adugan]

brushyourteeth wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

countdown till thread deteriorates into sexist "It would be better to travel with a male parent than a female one" comments in three... two...


Oh noes! Too late!!

Actually... I'd say it's the opposite. We've had one female parent with us -- though not as a companion, but still -- but we've never had our male parents with us.

Malcolm's dead by DAII's beginning, Endrin dies, Bryce dies, DC's dad is out of the picture, CE's dad is stuck in the Alienage for the greater half of the game, Mage's dad is just a name in a file, and the Dalish Elf's dad is also dead.

No, I'd say it isn't sexist to want a male parent with us this time around, if a parent is going to be a core aspect of the PC. 

I'd have to say I disagree with much of that. Mama Aeducan is never even part of the game, as she's dead before DA:O even begins. We at least get the chance to experience a loving relationship with Endrin. Same goes for the City Elf origin (Tabris), but that mom at least gets a name. Bryce dies, but so does Eleanor. The casteless dwarf (Brosca) has an abusive drunk for a mother, and I think the Dalish Elf's mom is equally as dead as the dad is.

Really, though, my comment was relating to the fact that the previous comments weren't "hey, we had a mom last time. It'd be great if we had a dad in the game this time." They were more "No. It would be more memorable (awesome) to have a male parental figure than a female one. No further explanation needed."

Not calling those guys sexist, but the comments were. If you want to explain why a father is better than a mother, you certainly need a much better explanation than that. Because male > female = sexist.

... I'm a little disappointed that I had to explain that. 

A male is better than a female who equals sexist? 

[The Spirit of Dance]

First off, I think a mother companion isn't a bad idea

Second, why can't i just say that I'd like to see a father companion more than a mother one without being accused of being sexist. When I saw someone else suggest a father companion and suggested things like the proud father or the disappointed father(something i could relate to in my teens) I found that 'personally' more interesting than anything I've seen anyone suggest about a mother one. Plus I wanna have fun pissing off a father companion.

Edit: You could still do the disappointed mother but thats not cliche enough.

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 14 décembre 2012 - 08:55 .