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[spirosz]

 

Modifié par spirosz, 14 décembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

That's a mighty nice picture you have there, but, um, what?

[blackashes411]

Yeah.

[arial]

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

[spirosz]

This is a pro auto-dialogue thread, go on. Discuss.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Not ME3 Related.
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[Leonardo the Magnificent]

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

If only because the trilogy was rather lacking in the central antagonist department. He was an utterly terrible tactician, too.

[xtorma]

is dead.

[Red Panda]

Turian biotics


Wait, are you saying that turian biotics can defeat the reapers?

[Steelcan]

Sounds about right.


(inb4 lock)

[Mr.House]

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

:lol: You have jokes I see. Shadow Broker and Oleg are the best villians in the trilogy. Kinda sad that dlc villians are better then full game villians.

Cool picture though.

[arial]

Mr.House wrote...

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

:lol: You have jokes I see. Shadow Broker and Oleg are the best villians in the trilogy. Kinda sad that dlc villians are better then full game villians.

Cool picture though.

I think Saren was much more interesting

[The Night Mammoth]

arial wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

:lol: You have jokes I see. Shadow Broker and Oleg are the best villians in the trilogy. Kinda sad that dlc villians are better then full game villians.

Cool picture though.

I think Saren was much more interesting

What, exactly, was interesting about Saren? 

There are NPC's on the Citadel with a more fleshed out character than him. 

[Mathias]

Mr.House wrote...

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

:lol: You have jokes I see. Shadow Broker and Oleg are the best villians in the trilogy. Kinda sad that dlc villians are better then full game villians.

Cool picture though.

The Night Mammoth wrote...

arial wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

arial wrote...

Saren was the best Villain in the Trilogy

You have jokes I see. Shadow Broker and Oleg are the best villians in the trilogy. Kinda sad that dlc villians are better then full game villians.

Cool picture though.

I think Saren was much more interesting

What, exactly, was interesting about Saren?

There are NPC's on the Citadel with a more fleshed out character than him.

You've gotta be kidding me...

Sounds like some people need to go back and replay ME1. Saren was the most interesting villain in the series aside from the Illusive Man.

[spirosz]

Keep it civil.

[Mr.House]

No he was not. He was just lol I like to kill people, even people in hospitals lol. lol I hate humans for killing my brother despite my brother deserving it lol Then he get's indoctrinated and he becomes even more lolevil. There is nothing interesting about him.

Also I'm doing a new PT right now in ME and I can say without a doubt, I do not find him interesting. I just find him boring and stale.

Modifié par Mr.House, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:54 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

You've gotta be kidding me...

Sounds like some people need to go back and replay ME1. Saren was the most interesting villain in the series aside from the Illusive Man.

Certainly not, I just look at Saren without my rose-coloured glasses on. 

We learn next to nothing about him until his speech at the end, and then Shepard says two sentences and he commits suicide, or you just shoot him. 

Hardly a compelling or fleshed-out antagonist. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Mr.House]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

You've gotta be kidding me...

Sounds like some people need to go back and replay ME1. Saren was the most interesting villain in the series aside from the Illusive Man.

Certainly not, I just look at Saren without my rose-coloured glasses on. 

We learn next to nothing about him until his speech at the end, and then Shepard says two sentences and he commits suicide. 

Hardly a compelling or fleshed-out antagonist. 

The book makes it worse as it just makes him lolevil.

[spirosz]

I believe there is something more to consider.

[Mathias]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

You've gotta be kidding me...

Sounds like some people need to go back and replay ME1. Saren was the most interesting villain in the series aside from the Illusive Man.

Certainly not, I just look at Saren without my rose-coloured glasses on. 

We learn next to nothing about him until his speech at the end, and then Shepard says two sentences and he commits suicide, or you just shoot him. 

Hardly a compelling or fleshed-out antagonist. 

Seems like my playthrough was different than yours because i learned more about his character through dialogue with other characters. He also felt like the most threatening villain in the series. What's more dangerous (aside from the Reapers) than the top Spectre going rogue and commanding an army of sentient beings? The first time i played Mass Effect I kept thinking from a story perspective on how i was going to take Saren down once i confronted him. I was a totally noob when it came to being a Spectre, and i was going up against a much older and more experienced agent.

He was also intimidating for his total disregard for life, as he would do anything to get the job done. I loved Wrex's story about when he and some other mercenaries were hired for a job by Saren. Anything that would get Wrex jumping ship without getting paid is something not to be trifled with. Then came Virmire where i finally confronted him face to face which is one of the more awesome moments in the game. My entire hunt for him had built up to this moment, but instead i learned the he was just a puppet of a more sinister villain. I tried to reason with him, but he refused to listen even though he did show some internal conflict.

It didn't feel so out of left field to me when Saren offed himself at the Citadel. There was obviously doubt on his mind that his plan would work, and that the only reason he convinced himself that the Reapers would spare them is because he truly felt there was no other choice but to join them. But i helped him see that there's always hope. He finally came to his senses but knew he was too far gone at this point and even if he did completely break from indoctrination, nobody would forgive him for what he did. So he stopped himself the only way he could. Saren might've been ruthless and calculating, but he always believed he was doing it for the good of the galaxy and in his last moments, he knew killing himself was too.

Yeah he was a bit of a racist and a giant ***hole, but at his core he wasn't really a bad person. Until he started to become indoctrinated, he was to put it in familiar terms, a Renegade. Who's to say Renegade Shepard didn't do really f***ed up things because he believed it was the right thing to do. I could go on and on about Saren if i wanted to. I can't say the same for other villains like Kai Leng, Shadow Broker, or Oleg.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:33 .

[Tomwew]

Arterius

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

is the template for Marauder Shields. Now it's ME3 related. Discuss.

[grey_wind]

Mr.House wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

You've gotta be kidding me...

Sounds like some people need to go back and replay ME1. Saren was the most interesting villain in the series aside from the Illusive Man.

Certainly not, I just look at Saren without my rose-coloured glasses on. 

We learn next to nothing about him until his speech at the end, and then Shepard says two sentences and he commits suicide. 

Hardly a compelling or fleshed-out antagonist. 

The book makes it worse as it just makes him lolevil.

The books do an incredible job of making everybody more stupid and lolevil.

Personally, I think Saren needed more presence in the game. He was interesting, but confronting him for 5 minutes each on Virmire and the Citadel really didn't allow him to be explored much as a character.
Actually confronting him more throughout the game, even if it was just via hologram, would have definitely helped his case. The ideological conflict of submission vs extinction had a lot of potential.

[JBPBRC]

Saren was alright. Books aside (grrrrr, external lore) he was definitely the best villain, if for no other reason than he was just average as a villain. Typical Bioware character really.

Everyone else in the villain department was meh. Haven't played Omega so can't say about Oleg, but TIM had potential though. Potential never realized.