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[Arppis]

Didn't hate DA2. But combat should be revamped and choices should matter abit more.

[PinkDiamondstl]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

In the history of warfare, in both our world and Thedas, women are more concerned with stating alive than making a fashion statement on the field of battle. A functional suit of chain mail that offers great protection but looks drab is much more preferable to a 'fabulous' decorative armor set that could get you killed.

See ....wearing this type of armor may get you killed
http://t2.gstatic.co...clzcEvrj_uzZuwX
Fabulous... yes ! May get you violated or worst ?...definitely!!!

I'm hoping for more armors like this
L
Lady -like and still fabulous. That is all I want..:innocent:

[Twisted Path]

abaris wrote...

They may suck, but their developers didn't forget about their audience. Their audience mostly gets what they came for, whereas DAII tried to garner a new one and obviously failed on the way.

Games are products and when you develop a product, the first thing to do is asking where the market might be and defining a target audience. If that target audience was supposed to be COD players, their market research did something seriously wrong, since a game like that can't possibly compete with the original.

Yeah. I think Skyrim's a great game actually. It accomplishes what it sets out to do: creating a beautiful, immersive fantasy-land sandbox for you to play in.

Dragon Age 2, on the other hand, didn't accomplish what it set out to do. Which is a real shame, because the premise was pretty good: guide the rise of your PC  from an impoverished nobody to nobility in a City of Adventure that changes over the course of several years based on the PCs actions. Then none of that was really delivered: your actions don't really change anything and you're on rails for most of the game, and the city is extreamly boring and static (besides things people say you never get the feeling that time has passed at all.)

Even the idea that your character is just some nobody working their way up is undermined by NPCs constantly kissing up to you and inexplicably acting like you're some sort of Chosen One. I kind of get the feeling the writers wanted to avoid fantasy RPG cliches at first but then fell into them when they were pressed for time. The game goes all over the place.

[Ash Wind]

Redemption is a strong word. This is just business, its not personal. I'm not a fan of companies, I am a fan of games. I liked DAO. I didn't care for what I was hearing from DA2, and didn't buy it until D2D (when it existed) had it for $12.

I didn't think I would like it, and while it surpassed my expectation, I wouldn't say it was good. I know some Devs deluisionally would call this Confirmation Bias as opposed to the game failing to deliver, but the fact of the matter is that for me, DA2 failed on a number of levels.

As for DA3, I will wait and watch. If I think it looks good, I will purchase it, if I don't I won't. BW doesn't owe me anything and DA3 doesn't have to redeem DA2, it just has to have the potential to entertain me and earn my $$$$

Modifié par Ash Wind, 16 décembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[abaris]

Twisted Path wrote...

Yeah. I think Skyrim's a great game actually. It accomplishes what it sets out to do: creating a beautiful, immersive fantasy-land sandbox for you to play in.

Never said, Sykrim sucks. I was only replying to the one I was quoting. I may not be that excited about the Elder Scroll concept as I was with Morrowind, but it still lived up to expectations. Which was, hardly any story, but beautiful environment to roam.

That's why I said, they kept their core audience in focus.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Thanks again for some excellent posts everyone, Fast Jimmy especially nailed a few points which I was going to make myself, as did several others.

Plaintiff wrote...

chasemme wrote...

d4eaming wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Do we really need another thread for people to **** about Dragon Age 2?

You'd think with all the hate-on people have for it that they'd give up, since DA staff has said they are keeping a lot of the elements they're stroking their hate-on to. If you're that momumentally miserable with a game series, then go find another one.

Hm. I didn't notice hate. The stuff seemed moderately constructive. My post wasn't, but I didn't feel like there was a lot of hate spewed about in it, either.

Topic seems reasonable, and the responses also seem that way. "Haters" just appeared in the title. It's similar to the "what do you want to see" thread, just targeted at people who weren't satisfied with DA2 rather than the whole population.

Not really necessary to just pop into a topic and post based on what you think is going on.

I think the wording of the title completely changes the context of the thread, especially the incredibly self-entitled notion that Bioware need to "redeem" themselves, as if no game company anywhere has ever before made a product that didn't necessarily appeal to every single member of their fanbase.

The way people act on this forum, you'd think Bioware employees had personally stormed into their houses and killed their pets.

Lol, bit of an over-reaction there son. lol. But yes, I probably could have worded it better, by "redeem themselves" I mean in the eyes of those who now have a sour view of BW due to DA:2.

You might not be interested in their opinion and think that DA:2 "haters" aren't worthy of an opinion, but to me they are and I'm interested in what they have to say.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:15 .

[Uccio]

What Twisted Path said about DA2. I loved the dwarf castless origins in Origins. It really felt like you were a nobody. Npc's treated you like scum even you were a minor hired muscle of the local crimelord. Even excelling in the provings didn't mean anything since pc was castless and would have been killed if Duncan wouldn't have saved the pc. The city elven origins had the same flavour. Thats the way to go, more of that and it would be good.

[Khwarezm89]

I liked DA 2 and Here are my opinions
1) DA III must have bigger world than DA II
2) I want Hawke to continue his journey just like Shepard at ME.
3) Bigger role for Leliana.
4) Develop Boss Fighting.
5) More Cinematics and I want to feels sense in it like ME

[SpunkyMonkey]

Ukki wrote...

What Twisted Path said about DA2. I loved the dwarf castless origins in Origins. It really felt like you were a nobody. Npc's treated you like scum even you were a minor hired muscle of the local crimelord. Even excelling in the provings didn't mean anything since pc was castless and would have been killed if Duncan wouldn't have saved the pc. The city elven origins had the same flavour. Thats the way to go, more of that and it would be good.

They really do restrict the emotional experiences one can have by restricting races/origins/cultures.

Have they restricted races due to the choice to have a voiced protagonist? Or other reasons?

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 17 décembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Zerker]

could romance scenes be more like witcher 2, biower?

[Felya87]

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Ukki wrote...

What Twisted Path said about DA2. I loved the dwarf castless origins in Origins. It really felt like you were a nobody. Npc's treated you like scum even you were a minor hired muscle of the local crimelord. Even excelling in the provings didn't mean anything since pc was castless and would have been killed if Duncan wouldn't have saved the pc. The city elven origins had the same flavour. Thats the way to go, more of that and it would be good.

They really do restrict the emotional experiences one can have by restricting races/origins/cultures.

Have they restricted races due to the choice to have a voiced protagonist? Or other reasons?

 if I remember correctly, it was said the Human protagonist was easyer for the cinematics, and for DA2 was used because better for the story Bioware want to tell (I still have my doubts...but it can be just me) and because af the little time at diposal.
For DA3 I really can't see a real motivation...one way or another, there are not really great restriction for the use of a Dwarf or Elf, even if the Chantry is a more Human matter, but the conflict mage/templar can affect every race in Thedras...
maybe there are always problem with cinematics, or there is a more important reason...still, for me is a big delusion, and the bigger reason I will not buy DA3, surely not full prize. maybe I will buy it when DA4 will came...

[SpunkyMonkey]

Felya87 wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Ukki wrote...

What Twisted Path said about DA2. I loved the dwarf castless origins in Origins. It really felt like you were a nobody. Npc's treated you like scum even you were a minor hired muscle of the local crimelord. Even excelling in the provings didn't mean anything since pc was castless and would have been killed if Duncan wouldn't have saved the pc. The city elven origins had the same flavour. Thats the way to go, more of that and it would be good.

They really do restrict the emotional experiences one can have by restricting races/origins/cultures.

Have they restricted races due to the choice to have a voiced protagonist? Or other reasons?

 if I remember correctly, it was said the Human protagonist was easyer for the cinematics, and for DA2 was used because better for the story Bioware want to tell (I still have my doubts...but it can be just me) and because af the little time at diposal.
For DA3 I really can't see a real motivation...one way or another, there are not really great restriction for the use of a Dwarf or Elf, even if the Chantry is a more Human matter, but the conflict mage/templar can affect every race in Thedras...
maybe there are always problem with cinematics, or there is a more important reason...still, for me is a big delusion, and the bigger reason I will not buy DA3, surely not full prize. maybe I will buy it when DA4 will came...

Thanks, me too

Given the choice of more races/origins or a voice protagonist and I would always fancy the former to give me a more enjoyable RPG experience.

I honestly think that BW deep-down have mis-read Shepard's success, have mis-interpreted why ME was so popular and successful in the first place, and made the wrong move by applying an ME template to DA. It will be very interesting to see if DA:3 somehow makes that right.

[Felya87]

Me was ok the Human character fot two reasons: the Humans are not the most influential reace, they are the newbie of the galaxy, and nothing is really easy for the human in a galxy that look at them at least with some suspect.
and second, the character is only Shepard. there aren't other character you can choose for three games in a row. After two games, even if you have just a race to choose, well, after all the choise and the hours of game, the character is a little yours.
I wouldn't have been so annoyed by the "only Human" choise in DA3 if I had to play again as Hawke, I have to admit. It would have carried the unfinished storyes of that character, and I would have been more affectionate to the character at the end of two games.
But a new character AGAIN human, when if can I never choose human...no, thanks. I already hade Hawke. I don't need a Hawke.2

[Dutchess]

Felya87 wrote...

SpunkyMonkey wrote...

Ukki wrote...

What Twisted Path said about DA2. I loved the dwarf castless origins in Origins. It really felt like you were a nobody. Npc's treated you like scum even you were a minor hired muscle of the local crimelord. Even excelling in the provings didn't mean anything since pc was castless and would have been killed if Duncan wouldn't have saved the pc. The city elven origins had the same flavour. Thats the way to go, more of that and it would be good.

They really do restrict the emotional experiences one can have by restricting races/origins/cultures.

Have they restricted races due to the choice to have a voiced protagonist? Or other reasons?

 if I remember correctly, it was said the Human protagonist was easyer for the cinematics, and for DA2 was used because better for the story Bioware want to tell (I still have my doubts...but it can be just me) and because af the little time at diposal.
For DA3 I really can't see a real motivation...one way or another, there are not really great restriction for the use of a Dwarf or Elf, even if the Chantry is a more Human matter, but the conflict mage/templar can affect every race in Thedras...
maybe there are always problem with cinematics, or there is a more important reason...still, for me is a big delusion, and the bigger reason I will not buy DA3, surely not full prize. maybe I will buy it when DA4 will came...

Gaider said for story reasons. And deeper character customization (by removing customization. Uh uh). The same was said for DA2, and I haven't seen a thing of it, so personally I am not convinced at all.

[accessd]

Easy. Make it DA:O II.

[SpunkyMonkey]

renjility wrote...

Gaider said for story reasons. And deeper character customization (by removing customization. Uh uh). The same was said for DA2, and I haven't seen a thing of it, so personally I am not convinced at all.

Seriously? Wow. That's worrying.

I destested Hawke as a character and find it far easier to connect with blank slates based on your choice such as those found in DA:O.

[Felya87]

accessd wrote...

Easy. Make it DA:O II.

I would preorder two copies.

[Dani Douglas]

Sorry for spelling mistake in advance, at work and trying to write this all in before lunch break is over lol

Personally I'm half and half on dragon age 2.  

When I first started to play dragon age 2 I thought it was pretty aweosme, so my ex went and got my origins.  
I loved origins sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo freaking MUCH.  It's a little sad.  I have played every origin as a female. (still have to do a male runthrough)

and when I went back to 2 I was like "WTF why is this SOOOOO much crappier then origins"
If I compare I see that, Yes the romance scenes suck.  It doesn't give you that personal connection you get with origins and it's companions.  Of course there is the never ending repeating of tunnels and maps, Hell even some of the dialogue was the same. 

If I don't compare, I see that the characters did have good concepts just not perfectly exicuted like in origins.  The armor was pretty aweosme and the combat was amazing.  Customs were good and they had an amazing concept for the game.  Just not very well exicuted.

What I would love to see for Dragon age 3 is probably

a return of characters that just dissapeared and we have no idea what happened to them.  AND I WANT ALISTAIR BACK!!!!!!! 
better customs
I liked the combat in 2 but I want better skills, I liked how they set it up in origins so if they base something off that it would be prefect.
and to be able to explore.  I wrote like a page of endless paragraphs in another form so I don't really wanna do that again lol.

But yeah I personally don't hate 2 I just think it was a let down.  I am praying that 3 wont be the same.

Modifié par Dani Douglas, 17 décembre 2012 - 06:01 .

[Annie_Dear]

Felya87 wrote...

accessd wrote...

Easy. Make it DA:O II.

I would preorder two copies.

This.

All Bioware need to do is point at DA2 and shout "Not that!"

[Robhuzz]

accessd wrote...

Easy. Make it DA:O II.

This.

They had a working formula. Origins was hugely popular aside from some complaints. Fix those and create a sequel. Why you would throw out everything that made your first game great and then create a sequel is truly beyond me.

[abaris]

Felya87 wrote...

accessd wrote...

Easy. Make it DA:O II.

I would preorder two copies.

Yeah. pretty much.

[NoForgiveness]

allow me to leave the city and big problems solved for me.

[Felya87]

there where some thing that, if well implemented couldbe really good in DA2. But I think the little time didn't give the chance to develop them right.
The character where good, but sometimes, if not always, where so much concentrate in their characterization, that just finished to feel almost bidimensional. I liked the idea of Isabela. an indipendent woman, who liked life, sex, drink, freedom, and the sea. But all her omnipresent and only sexual references gave on my nerves.

Sometimes my Hawke would like to say: "oh, shut up, we know you aren't such a nimpho! not without cream at least..."

And to Fenris I was temped to strangle him: he play card game with Aveline's husband, go in the tavern, have fun with Isabela...and with Hawke is just the moody emo guy?!?!?But...but...I'M GONNA STRANGLE HIM!!!

[bclagge]

I found DA:2 to be really disappointing. I don't expect perfection, but there were some glaring flaws about it that seriously detracted from my enjoyment. I'll buy DA:3 no matter what, but nonetheless here's my biggest nitpicks:

1. Reused assets. Not just reused meshes which is acceptable in any game, but entire areas copy and pasted. Very boring.

2. Meaningless choices. Nothing has a major impact. I don't consider having to fight the same battles in the third act but against different enemies as meaningful. It's just as meaningless as the RGB endings of ME3. I would like there to be entire plot lines, map areas, items, maybe even party members that you never see unless you go back and play the game differently. That would be meaningful. That would provide replayability.

3. Final boss battle was booooooring. Long and uninteresting.

That's it. Sure there were other flaws, but none of them were bothersome enough to complain about. Even so, Bioware has such as history of releasing fantastic titles that I will pre-order this game and find out the flaws myself rather than from the forums.

[Celene II]

How come some people's requests are considered vain and shallow?

They are opinions.

I see nothing wrong for asking for armor that isnt dull grey and formless.

I see nothing wrong with other people asking for other things that dont interest me.

Stop bashing other people's opinions of what makes a good game or enjoyable pass time with in that game.

And for the really strange "People wear armor to stay alive, not to make a fashion statement"

Well people dont throw fire out of their hands or fight dragons. If you can believe a fireball at a dragon but not that silk can deflect a blade that's not the games fault that is a lack of imagination.