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[lazuli]

Scions are the worst. Off host, I've had their cannon fire pull me out of cover somehow.

Modifié par lazuli, 14 décembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[SushiSquid]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

Mr. Geth Prime and his Combat Drone are insulted!

The Possessed Scion is like fighting a Ravager combined with a Geth Bomber, and with the health of a Banshee. If you sit in cover, he shoots a volley of grenades, killing you instantly. If you leave cover ever, he shoot you with his cannon, killing you instantly. There's just no reasonable defense against the thing on many classes.

Geth are certainly harder than Reapers and Cerberus (both of whom I feel are reasonably balanced and I enjoy fighting), but they're nowhere near the level of difficulty that Collectors reach. Primes alone are actually hard. Other geth units may have staggering and high damage, but they don't have high health. Freaking everything the Collectors throw at you has some kind of cheap tactic as well as higher health than cognate units from other factions and extremely high comparitive damage. And that's before anything becomes possessed and turns into something even worse.

I can still win when fighting against Collectors, but damn it is it hell to do. Collector battles are like fighting any other faction one difficulty higher. Either greatly weaken them (and the geth slightly) or offer a greater reward (credits, not experience) for fighting them. Meanwhile I'd rather kill Cerberus and Reapers.

Modifié par SushiSquid, 14 décembre 2012 - 10:15 .

[ToLazy4Name]

Collectors are easy if you know what you're doing. The only thing even slightly cheap about them is Seeker Swarms having way too much Health.

Geth and Cerberus are far more cheap than the Collectors.

[SushiSquid]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Collectors are easy if you know what you're doing. The only thing even slightly cheap about them is Seeker Swarms having way too much Health.

Geth and Cerberus are far more cheap than the Collectors.

Geth are cheap due to the constant staggering, but Cerberus has nothing cheap on their side. They're a little annoying when the start setting up turrets everywhere and sniper-firing grenades from behind smoke, only to follow with sprinting Dragoons, but everything they do is at least fair and can be defended against. Their most dangerous units all can be killed very easily. Only the big, slow Atlus really has any kind of defenses.

[ToLazy4Name]

SushiSquid wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Collectors are easy if you know what you're doing. The only thing even slightly cheap about them is Seeker Swarms having way too much Health.

Geth and Cerberus are far more cheap than the Collectors.

Geth are cheap due to the constant staggering, but Cerberus has nothing cheap on their side. They're a little annoying when the start setting up turrets everywhere and sniper-firing grenades from behind smoke, only to follow with sprinting Dragoons, but everything they do is at least fair and can be defended against. Their most dangerous units all can be killed very easily. Only the big, slow Atlus really has any kind of defenses.

I just hate Phantoms. If you're a pure weapons class with no means of stunning them, or any other class that is weak against Phantoms, you're screwed. They're fine up close, just like Dragoons, but their palm cannons are one of the few things in the game that I honestly believe need nerfing. 

[SushiSquid]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

I just hate Phantoms. If you're a pure weapons class with no means of stunning them, or any other class that is weak against Phantoms, you're screwed. They're fine up close, just like Dragoons, but their palm cannons are one of the few things in the game that I honestly believe need nerfing.

Now that I can agree with. I have no idea why a melee-focused enemy who's exceptionally dangerous as close-range should also have an anti-materiel rifle in her hand. Luckily she can be easily stagger-locked by lots of classes, but as you mentioned, not everyone has force powers or carries Acolyte/Falcon.

Modifié par SushiSquid, 14 décembre 2012 - 11:28 .

[DarkseidXIII]

yeah. f collectors.. they're making it difficult to find and UUG lobby. everyone so afraid that they choose someone else. this is a problem since i join a lot of sessions in progress with a lvl I char. You people are limiting my xp. jerks.

[brad2240]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Geth and Cerberus are far more cheap than the Collectors.

I have never had anywhere near the trouble with Cerberus or even Geth that I have in almost evey match against Collectors. Praetorians showing up out of nowhere, Scions sniping you from across the map, ninja husk bombs, seekers screwing your powers...

And that's not even their cheap tactics. Want to talk about possession saving units at the last moment, getting killed thru cover, or butt lazers?

A challenge is one thing. I don't mind there being a hardest faction but they should still be fun to fight. Collectors are never fun for me.

I would be willing to write it off as "I suck vs. Collectors" but it's not just me. I've been in pugs lots of times that just steamrolled one of the other factions, then completely fell apart when the next match came up against Collectors.

Modifié par brad2240, 15 décembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

Mr. Sandman wrote...

I'd rather fight of 4 Praetorians and 4 scions inside a small little room in Glacier than fight of a single Geth unit on any difficulty.
They are not the cheapest faction.

I agree. They're not the cheapest faction in the game. Geth still holds that crown.

[Eric Fagnan]

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

[lazuli]

Eric Fagnan wrote...
On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

Except during hack objectives, surely.

[holdenagincourt]

CrisisOne wrote...

*pours coffee* Rough day?

I'll take a cuppa Joe too. Had an awful Collectors Gold game on Condor today. Did not get my Operation Alamo completion in that one, to say the least. 

[RoZh2400]

Actually I find collectors to be fine...it's the Geth that need some fixing.

[Taritu]

Collectors are hard, not cheap. Geth are cheap.

on edit: I play almost nothing but u/u/g, so don't know about other difficulties so much.

Modifié par Taritu, 15 décembre 2012 - 01:02 .

[hudder92]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

Really?

I don't see it. The swarmers alone make it tough for casters. Abominations have way more health than husks do, and their explosions have downed teammates. Not to mention multiple scions and multiple Praetorians sniping you from four different directions. I don't feel that on other factions. On other factions the main boss is slow.. The Praetorians feel like they are the fastest enemy in the game and they are one of the deadliest.

[Zjarcal]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

[DJ Airsurfer]

Phantom says hi.

[AresKeith]

The Collectors are the faction MEMP deserves lol

[HolyAvenger]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

Cool.

Eric, can we get another one of those MP stat releases? They're always interesting:wizard:

[holdenagincourt]

Zjarcal wrote...

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

The only thing I can think of is that the statistics don't disaggregate by unknown faction or selected faction. It could be that the players who choose U/U/S are slightly more capable than the ones who specifically choose one of the other factions, and there's probably a bias against Collectors when a faction is selected.

I don't think Collectors being easier than Reapers on Silver comports with many players' experience, but Eric has statistics and I don't. 

Modifié par holdenagincourt, 15 décembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[X-Frame]

Eric's info is very surprising. Collectors Silver seems to be as difficult as Reapers/Cerberus Gold, at least to me. But if the stats say something different .. that's very interesting.

[Crimson Vanguard]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

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[Red Panda]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

Do you guys have a total fatalities rate?

a.k.a. how many N7 Spec Ops operatives didn't make it over the course of the entire multiplayer timespan?

Just curious.

[TheKillerAngel]

Eric Fagnan wrote...

According to our player data based on completion rates, the Collectors are slightly harder than other factions on Gold, but about the same as other factions on other difficulties. On Silver, they are the easiest faction.

Does this data take into account factors such as game duration and quantity of consumables used?

[Rebel_Raven]

Collectors are way harder than other factions. It's like fighting an army comprised of Suped up ravagers, and extremely aggressive marauders, and flesh (And what ever the Geth are made out of) seeking missiles with random nuclear warheads.

Praetorians are actually kinda okay.