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Mass Effect and BIOWARE failed
1. If your are a 360 owner you can not transfer you facial character from ME1 and ME2 to ME3. (even though you have been loyal since Mass Effect 1.
2. The game mechanics from ME3 sucks. You can not get to cover as easy as ME2. Mass effect game mechanics were not perfected as ME2.
3. Then collection series compact does not have none of the DLC. WTF. That is not a FU&**(*(^ collection.
3.5 Releasing more DLC content while the collection series is out. (ONLY EA)
4. What in the world were they thinking when they try to kill off a series in Mass EFFECT 3. Basically Bioware created a whole new (their version of ) Star Wars Universe without them realizing their creativity.

Break POINT: Dragon AGE 1 at least you have all the DLC.
AND DLC SHOULD BE ON DISK.

5. Then they release DLC when the HYPE of game is at all time low.

6. Not everyone wants to play multiplayer. What made Bioware so great was the story telling. Their campaign mode is awesome. That is what they should stick with.

7. Bioware has lost focus. I wish instead the company would have joined Ubisoft instead.
8. UBISOFT has learned from Assassin's CREED.
9 You should and always play Mass EFFECT 3 without an internet connection. What a DOUCHE.
(By they way, I am insulting you, because I was huge fan. It seems like you cut me with a knife.)

This what you should do
Work on the single player campaign
Re Release the collection pack with all the DLC on disk
(if you have more DLC. Just create a whole new game.
Make sure all your games work without an internet connection.
Work on the Game Mechanics. Get Those perfect.
Because of this company I got into role playing games. My first love was your storytelling. and game mechanics.
I want you guys to Focus.

Please don't be like one of those companies that disrespect their fans. EA is known for that.
ex. shooting a game into space.
another ex. Getting cocky at fan when they ask you when is the release date at comic con because that fan could not watch the panel (Dallas Dickenson.) Sorry I can't spell I know it has the word "DICK" in it. (Send that south, please?)

You guys have to realize that games are not a requirement. They are just entertainment. Don't fall into that enemy'strap. Meaning. the Dark Knight quote. " you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villian".

By the way can you tell Bioware south to start working on a new KOTOR. Please no MMORPG.
Just storyline so can join my own game. I hate playing with other people. Plus, I have a feeling that they are losing money. They should have done KOTOR all this time but seperate. Ex. bounty hunter mode, jedi couselor mode, Jedi knight mode, etc. They messed up, too. I'll give you guys an F. F for just how F(&**) up you guys are treating customers. .. By the way I am still waiting for Dragon AGE 2 DLC on disk with Collection series. Get on that please.

Do not be that villian.

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Mass Effect and BIOWARE failed
1. If your are a 360 owner you can not transfer you facial character from ME1 and ME2 to ME3. (even though you have been loyal since Mass Effect 1.
2. The game mechanics from ME3 sucks. You can not get to cover as easy as ME2. Mass effect game mechanics were not perfected as ME2.
3. Then collection series compact does not have any of the DLC. WTF. That is not a FU&**(*(^ collection.
3.5 Releasing more DLC content while the collection series is out. (ONLY EA)
4. What in the world were they thinking when they try to kill off a series in Mass EFFECT 3. Basically Bioware created a whole new (their version of ) Star Wars Universe without them realizing their creativity.

Break POINT: Dragon AGE 1 at least you have all the DLC.
AND DLC SHOULD BE ON DISK.

5. Then they release DLC when the HYPE of game is at an all-time low. (Smart)

6. Not everyone wants to play multiplayer. What made Bioware so great was the storytelling. Their campaign mode is awesome. That is what they should stick with.

7. Bioware has lost focus. I wish the company would have joined Ubisoft instead.
8. UBISOFT has learned from Assassin's CREED. 1 was messed up but the game mechanics to 2 was perfect. But UBISOFT realized they had great concept. And they work with
9 You should and always play Mass EFFECT 3 without an internet connection. What a DOUCHE. (INFACT ALL YOUR GAMES SHOULD WORK WITHOUT AN INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIREMENT especially campaign mode.
(By they way, I am insulting you, because I was huge fan. It seems like you stabbed me with a knife.)

This what you should do:
Work on the single player campaign
Re Release the collection pack with all the DLC on disk
If you have any more DLC. Just create a whole new game.
Make sure all your games work without an internet connection requirement.
Work on the Game Mechanics. Get Those perfect.
Because of this company I got into role playing games. My first love was your storytelling and your game mechanics.
I want you guys to Focus.

Please don't be like one of those companies that disrespect their fans. EA is known for that.
ex. shooting a game into space.
another ex. Getting cocky at fan when they ask you when is the release date at comic con because that fan could not watch the panel (Dallas Dickenson.) Sorry I can't spell. But I do know this, the name has the word "DICK" in it. (Send that to the southern office, please?)

You guys have to realize that games are not a requirement. They are just entertainment. Don't fall into that enemy's trap. Meaning…. the Dark Knight quote. " you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".

By the way can you tell Bioware south to start working on a new KOTOR. Please no MMORPG.
Just storyline so can join my own game. I hate playing with other people. Plus, I have a feeling that they are losing money. They should have done KOTOR all this time but seperate. Ex. bounty hunter mode, jedi counselor mode, Jedi knight mode, etc. They messed up, too. I'll give you guys an F. F for just how F(&**) up you guys are treating customers. .. By the way I am still waiting for Dragon AGE 2 collection with DLC on disk. Get on that please.

Do not be that villain.

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hehe my problem in me3 was im always jumping into cover when i didnt want to, my only gripe with me3 is the same as most the endings but hey its a game an apart from that i believe its still a very good game, 15 playthroughs an counting an still not bored i just spacebar the end convo an hit destroy as its the closest to what i want.

Just a pity they decided to experiment on the ending to a great series but meh only a game an i will continue to enjoy the series for many hours to come

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your point with the internet connection was the"perfect" ending right? If so I agree no game should ever require you to play multiplayer or anything like that unless its a game specifily for online. Also the multiplayer doesnt even tie into the story its more of a horde mode on single player side mission maps
 and honestly i thought me3 was absolutely amazing up until that elevator takes you up to see that stupid ****ing kid. ME was literally one of my two favorite game series EVER(the other being dragon age) and now its ruined 

Modifié par MR_PN, 15 décembre 2012 - 03:52 .


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As flawed as Mass Effect 3 was I still enjoyed it, ALOT. When I play video games I tend to focus on what I like about it. If the flaws overwhelm what I like, I stop playing. But that wasn't the case for me in ME3. I completely agree with you on the multiplayer part. I think that is the absolute lowest thing I have ever seen a gaming company do. Luckily, I have the Extended Cut so I can still get the perfect ending with out multiplayer. But they should not have made that mistake in the first place. I guess I'm just much more forgiving, I don't think we should let Bioware and EA get away with what they did, but I'm still going to have fun with the trilogy.

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Problems I can see with the trilogy include
1) Not enough focus on the series as a trilogy as a whole but instead making each game one at a time so there is insufficient foreshadowing, subplots being ignored or re-invented and generally too little planning as to how the trilogy should map out.
2) the loss of the lead writer before the third game
3) failure to understand the importance of the ending of a trilogy
4) not thinking through the implications of the ending

plus of course there are the various problems in games as a combination of factors (development costs spiralling out of control, the problems with the economy, the rise of on-line retail, etc) have caused a feud between the industry and retail with both desperately fighting each other for the consumer's money in order to stay in business which is hurting games design.

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lack of some rick ashley moves if im totally honest:D

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I hope this does not count as a spoiler -if it does then, sorry (I would rather post it on the ME3 forum but Bioware won't let me register my game or post on the ME forums -so blame them)

One key problem was the issue of the question "can organic sentients and A.I.s peacefully coexist?"
The first game focussed on conflict but later games moved away from that and showed an increasing room for peaceful co-existence...until the end when you are forced to make a decision based on the presumption they can't peacefully co-exist.
If a player believes they can exist together in peace then they will object to having this forced onto them with no option to argue how the evidence from the game contradicts it.
If a player believes they cannot then there is no moral dilemma as the A.I.'s right to existence depends on their ability to peacefully coexist with organics.

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The biggest mistake Mass Effect made was settling on a trilogy. Why? The story is massive enough to encompass several games. As a result, ME3 seemed rushed, thrown together, and incomplete. I think lack of vision would be my diagnosis.

How do I know it was thrown together? Basically ME3 is a reunion of your old ME1 team, except Wrex. For example, no character introduced in ME2 who was part of your squad is part of your squad in ME3. They are all virtually cameos.  Which means they failed to incorporate the two games into a third installment, and that's just characters.  I could go on and on with the story, but I must control myself. You can almost skip the second game and play the third and miss very little. Just my opinion.

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ViciousCargo wrote...

...For example, no character introduced in ME2 who was part of your squad is part of your squad in ME3. They are all virtually cameos. ..

That's because one of the big problems of continuations where characters from previous games could be dead.
Bioware had some difficulty in allowing for the possible deaths of Kaiden, Ashley, Tali and Garrus.
Giving a minimal role to Wrex, Dr Chakwas and the new ME2 characters meant less to change if they were dead and less to worry about impact on game balance, expense on content few gamers may see, etc.

This is the big problem of making a series of games that continues on from the previous one and allowing for significant differences in imported saves.  (Especially without the KOTOR2 approach of undermining your big decision from the previous game by declaring whichever faction you had sided with was almost anhialated shortly afterwards making your choice irrelevent). 

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Get Magna Carter wrote...

ViciousCargo wrote...

...For example, no character introduced in ME2 who was part of your squad is part of your squad in ME3. They are all virtually cameos. ..

That's because one of the big problems of continuations where characters from previous games could be dead.
Bioware had some difficulty in allowing for the possible deaths of Kaiden, Ashley, Tali and Garrus.
Giving a minimal role to Wrex, Dr Chakwas and the new ME2 characters meant less to change if they were dead and less to worry about impact on game balance, expense on content few gamers may see, etc.

This is the big problem of making a series of games that continues on from the previous one and allowing for significant differences in imported saves.  (Especially without the KOTOR2 approach of undermining your big decision from the previous game by declaring whichever faction you had sided with was almost anhialated shortly afterwards making your choice irrelevent). 


I think I get what you're saying, but in ME2 everyone risks the possibility of dying at the end, so why only bring back your old ME1 squad for ME3?  Why ditch all ME2 introduced squad mates while introducing entirely new characters for ME3?  This doesn't seem well thought out and looks to be thrown together.

Modifié par ViciousCargo, 23 décembre 2012 - 04:45 .


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Well, while I liked ME3 (hated the ending though and the game wasn't as good as ME1), i did think the game had some few problems. The squad for example was kinda lackluster. James Vega is an ok character, but he lacks a proper introduction and is not the most interesting (Still better than Jacob though IMO), Tali arrives way too late in the game, EDI was not neccessary as a squadmate, and Ashleys character were treated really bad.

The only truly interesting new character must be Javik, but since he is a dlc not everyone has gotten him. It annoys me that for us with standard edition we have to buy 'the most interesting character' whom should have been a part of the main game. He is also a vanguard, and if we don't get the dlc our squad lacks a vanguard.

The game also lacks a krogan role and i think my third favourite squadmate (After Legion and Wrex) Grunt should have filled that role.

Miranda should also be there. Why? you might ask. Because of two reasons;

1. She has a BIG history with Cerberus, and we spend half the game fighting cerberus troops.
2. She is a sentinel, and if Kaidan is dead we need another one to fill in that class.

I am in no way a Miranda fan, im quite indifferent to her actually, but even I can see the value of her character in ME3.

There is also one more character i think should have the option to join; Legion. Yes i'm serious, if Tali can join, why shouldn't Legion be allowed to? I mean think about it; you choose quarians you get Tali, you choose geth you get Legion, you achieve peace you get both! Consequences and all of that you know. It would make the rannoch (my favourite arc) decision even more valuable.

Also, one more thing I must say about the squad is the lack of balance in classes. If you for example end of choosing to play a non-biotic Shepard, doesn't pick up Javik, and nukes Kaidan on Virmire; well, then i have some news for you; Liara is now the only biotic in you're squad! This is another reason Miranda would be valuable to ME3, since she has biotic powers.

Sorry for ranting, but I really felt to point out all of ME3's flaws regarding the squad and this was the perfect thread to do it. I'm not a whiner, and i don't hate ME3, but i can still see it has some flaws.

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[quote]ViciousCargo wrote...

The biggest mistake Mass Effect made was settling on a trilogy. Why? The story is massive enough to encompass several games.


I agree with you here. I think it would be better if it had been done like this:

Mass Effect: Introduction
Mass Effect 2: Character Forcus

and then comes the new thing;

Mass Effect 3: The Reapers Arrival; reapers pwn the galaxy, it is a dark time, and Shepard must find their weakness (Yes i think the storyline of the reapers arrival should be one game and not a dlc). 'This game would give players the chance to experience the main worlds before they were ravaged by the reapers, and build up to the reapers arrival in an exciting way'

Mass Effect 4: The Final Battle; The various races fight back and Shepard prepares for the ultimate final battle that will decide the fate of the galaxy. In this game Shepard and co. fight to take various worlds back and many must put aside old differences, and forgive eachother for old misdeeds.

The only other way it could have worked is if maybe Mass Effect 2 had been less character-related and a bit more story-related, but that's difficult to know.

Modifié par YouKnowMyName, 23 décembre 2012 - 11:42 .


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this thread is full of lol and you should be ashamed.

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Yes, ME3 is a terrible game all together, ME1 was the best in the series, and is VASTLY different and superior to the other 2. Even ME2 is a let down in comparison.