I am 100% sure that Shep is not indocrinated
but why,if TIM is able to make him shoot Anderson,you would think Harbinger would make him use the Normandy to destroy the crucible
is Shepard that just strong minded that the reapers indocrination attempts always fail ?
This is not an IT thread,but why didnt Harbinger or any other reaoer just indoctrinate Shepard.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:18
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The Catalyst doesn't want the Crucible destroyed. He becomes angry if Shepard refuses to use it. And the Catalyst controls the Reapers.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:36
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It takes a little while to indoctrinate them. My question was how did no one else on the occupied planets get indoctrinated
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:38
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Shepard can't be indoctrinated because he is the Chuck Norris of the ME universe.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:39
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Harbinger tried to during the Arrival DLC. Object Rho was a Reaper artifact that Shepard was knocked out cold for 2 days next to it. The artifact is capable of indoctrinating anyone near it, according to the codex. That wasn't the only Reaper artifact capable of indoctrinating you came across. Object Rho, the artifact on that planet in Mass Effect 2 that you had to shut off. Third one was an orb similar to what was found on Eletania in Mass Effect 1, and another one in Mass Effect 2. According to the data logs on the planet with the orb, it did the same thing. And, you can bring it up your cabin with you and set it on your desk as a token in Mass Effect 2.
Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine?
Reaper indoctrination is an insidious means of corrupting organics minds.
That's a hint, and it's pretty clear what Harbinger was trying to do during that DLC.
Struggle if you wish, your mind will be mine?
Reaper indoctrination is an insidious means of corrupting organics minds.
That's a hint, and it's pretty clear what Harbinger was trying to do during that DLC.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:42
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Or why not indoctrinate one of Shepard's teammates?
Just shoot Shepard in his sleep
Just shoot Shepard in his sleep
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:43
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Just for the record: IT claims that Shepard isn't fully indoctrinated until he consciously goes along with one of the Reaper suggested 'solutions'.
That's the number one biggest misunderstanding about IT. People think we say Shepard was indoctrinated during the entire game.
Yes, the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shep through the dreams, but he's not fully turned and under Reaper control, until he dives down that beam or grabs those controls.
That's the number one biggest misunderstanding about IT. People think we say Shepard was indoctrinated during the entire game.
Yes, the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shep through the dreams, but he's not fully turned and under Reaper control, until he dives down that beam or grabs those controls.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 05:59
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Indoctrination doesn't fully control someone or they would be a husk, Indoctrination alters your decision making and morals making you think what the Reapers want is the right thing to do. Which is basically the whole conversation with the Catalyst, the decision is yours on what you decide to go with.
This conversation helped my decision..
Is subbmission prefferble to extinxsion?
This conversation helped my decision..
Is subbmission prefferble to extinxsion?
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 06:00
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Shepard's indoctrination is similar to Matriarch Benezia, Shiala, and Rana Thanoptis. Not anything like Paul Grayson, TIM, or Saren who actually had Reaper tech physically implanted into them. Fast and quick indoctrination versus the slower kind (like the codex says).
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 07:27
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Makai81 wrote...
Shepard can't be indoctrinated because he is the Chuck Norris of the ME universe.
Lies, all lies.
If he was the Chuck of the ME verse he would've roundhouse kicked the Starbrat, the Crucible and the Reapers all at once and won the war instantly.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 08:05
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I'm sure it wasn't for lack of trying, but I can't think of any time when Shepard was in close proximity to a Reaper where the Reaper didn't end up dead. Harbinger is the obvious exception, but they're only face to face for about a minute for Shepard gets zapped and Harbinger decides just killing him would be the safer solution.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 08:18
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Kataphrut94 wrote...
Harbinger is the obvious exception, but they're only face to face for about a minute for Shepard gets zapped and Harbinger decides just killing him would be the safer solution.
Except for the part where he doesn't kill him.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 08:53
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I dunno, I guess it depends what a reaoer is first.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 09:49
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JBPBRC wrote...
Kataphrut94 wrote...
Harbinger is the obvious exception, but they're only face to face for about a minute for Shepard gets zapped and Harbinger decides just killing him would be the safer solution.
Except for the part where he doesn't kill him.
Harbinger would have been successful in his goal of eliminating Shepard had circumstance not led to Shepard activating the Crucible and ensuring victory before expiring from the almost certainly lethal wounds Harbingers' attack had left him with.
In other words: he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for that meddling kid!
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 11:50
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Indoctrination wasn't artistic enough for Super MAC.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:11
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It's a good question.
Indoctrination has been established as a plot device and a huge tool/weapon/advantage of the Reapers since the original Mass Effect. We see a huge number of individual characters in the game unwittingly fall under the Reapers influence.
Why would Bioware go to such lengths to establish the Reaper's ability to turn organic races against each it as one of their main advantages if they weren't going eventually have the lead character and the player face that exact problem?
Whether it's Shepard that has been indoctrinated, or one of his crew or a love interest... the potential was there for an incredible and chilling plot twist, so why didn't it happen?
Indoctrination has been established as a plot device and a huge tool/weapon/advantage of the Reapers since the original Mass Effect. We see a huge number of individual characters in the game unwittingly fall under the Reapers influence.
Why would Bioware go to such lengths to establish the Reaper's ability to turn organic races against each it as one of their main advantages if they weren't going eventually have the lead character and the player face that exact problem?
Whether it's Shepard that has been indoctrinated, or one of his crew or a love interest... the potential was there for an incredible and chilling plot twist, so why didn't it happen?
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:19
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VirtualSoldier27 wrote...
I am 100% sure that Shep is not indocrinated
but why,if TIM is able to make him shoot Anderson,you would think Harbinger would make him use the Normandy to destroy the crucible
is Shepard that just strong minded that the reapers indocrination attempts always fail ?
The same reason none of the protagonists of RE games are ever infected (ignoring Jill's brief stint in ME3); it's counterproductive. As much as we try to ignore it, ME is still a game.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:42
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How can an AI "become angry" ?David7204 wrote...
The Catalyst doesn't want the Crucible destroyed. He becomes angry if Shepard refuses to use it. And the Catalyst controls the Reapers.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:48
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Answer: When it's more than just a "simple" AI?
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:56
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Oh, I thought the Brat was just following his programming and the Reapers were just like fire... Now he can "feel"? Makes sense.ElSuperGecko wrote...
Answer: When it's more than just a "simple" AI?
Edit: I've sworn to myself to never engage any serious discussion about the brat ever again. Got enough of him. Yet I did it again. My bad, I apologize. So, no offense, I just say that I agree to disagree with you and let it at that.
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 12:57
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Femlob wrote...
VirtualSoldier27 wrote...
I am 100% sure that Shep is not indocrinated
but why,if TIM is able to make him shoot Anderson,you would think Harbinger would make him use the Normandy to destroy the crucible
is Shepard that just strong minded that the reapers indocrination attempts always fail ?
The same reason none of the protagonists of RE games are ever infected (ignoring Jill's brief stint in ME3); it's counterproductive. As much as we try to ignore it, ME is still a game.
Wasn't Leon infected in RE4?
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 01:00
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The reapers are not trying to kill Shepard.cavs25 wrote...
Or why not indoctrinate one of Shepard's teammates?
Just shoot Shepard in his sleep
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Posté 15 décembre 2012 - 01:00
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VirtualSoldier27 wrote...
is Shepard that just strong minded that the reapers indocrination attempts always fail ?
Nope. In fact Leviathan easily captures Shepard's mind with their ability that indoctrination is based upon.
