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[Joshd21]

I just completed the quest where you take the heart of , Witherfang because it was a beautiful forest lady in the shape of a beautiful Wolf or because or something else. I do not know. It was hard to do. I was lead up to the questline and on my 4th victory in the game wanted to try something different.

Instead of making him break the curse, I did aide him in killing witherfang. Now I feel remorse about it afterwards, even trying to pursudae winterfang to kill all the elf's seem's more appealing then what I did. I helped a man keep hold of his life for his fear of death.

my PC killed many of the wolfs, and even though I was given an option to force him to break the curse I did not. Now I feel dirty afterwards, for what did I do?, I helped some Hunter's regain their life but at what cost? In the process of allowing a handfull to live.

I do fear I have done far worse damage in allowing the curse to keep it's impact, and killing a beautiful spirt.

Maker Forgive me

Modifié par Joshd21, 06 janvier 2010 - 06:55 .

[fantasypisces]

I had to stop reading, because you are scaring me!

I too was going to try something different, and on one of my upcoming playthroughs was going to kill witherfang (my Dalish character, naturally).



But seeing as I found it hard to kill all the Dalish for the achievement (which I promptly reloaded) I think killing witherfang may gut me as well. Testament to the writing that your actions make you feel bad.

[Whisa]

That is like me getting the werewolves to kill the elves. I steeled myself to do it.. but couldn't do it in the end because Zevran pleaded not to. About broke my heart to do it, and I know when i do finally push myself to do it next game I'll hear him in my mind

[chaosapiant]

I'm having a hard time as well doing certain "evil" things. I'm really "trying" to play a bastard, but it's difficult. It was easier in games like Kotor because the evil options were moustache twirling hiliarity Just tonight I was about to do the dragon/blood thing to get the reaver spec, then Sten chimes in, and i've been really trying to get my influence up with him. So I declined and killed Kolgrim. This game has some of the hardest decisions i've faced in any game. And that's saying a lot!

[Skydiver8888]

turning off my snark-o-meter for a moment to say:



This right here is why DA is a great game, even a work of art, i'd argue. Great artworks affect the beholder viscerally and emotionally. They grip you. DA does that, as do most of Bioware's games.



Cheers for making something that people respond to with their hearts and souls. It's truly an amazing thing given the state of the industry today.



OK, snark-o-meter back on.

[Joshd21]

Even though my PC is alive, healthy and breathing. Speaking to Wynn afterwards in this great battle. Her soft words brought me comfort even though I knew from my earlier plays that she struggles with a spirt inside her, much as Winterfang did.

Wynn struggled to tell me everything is fine and she is calm, though she is living on borrowed time. She can accept death so easily and peacefulley with joy in her voice. It make's me think that ending the curse wouldn't have been such a bad thing.

My PC returned to camp with a cloud over his head, feeling the blood on his hands still. Feeling dirty. Can he be forgiven? no, I feel some evil is going to come out of this and bite him. Had I allowed him to just aide the spirt, the curse would be broken forever.

Now more pain and suffering, curse will not be broken and the only chance I had to make it so I did not. And for what? to aide against the darkspawn that are crawling on our doorsteps? what good will that do in defeating the darkspawn if the evil we fight and our own nature, our real fight is within.

As my PC coutinues on his quest, I know nothing he will do will redeem his actions. Even with Darkspawn defeated more will suffer the curse and an evil man will have his lasted life. How could I been so greedy. My PC is convicted already in the eyes of the Maker.

No replys will ease his sorrows, as no replys will actually help break the curse. Surely you may amuse him, make him forget it. Forget that he killed a spirt, lady of the forest as she tried to reason with him. That his own selfish desire's drove him to complete the task and blinded by the future.

In the heat of the moment, no joy ran through his body as he dove the heart into Winter****, taking the heart with hardly as a smile from the man who tricked him into this task, even tricking him as he might be. My PC knew full well what he was doing at the time where she laid cold, dead, lifeless on the floor.

As she died, as the blade cut through her skin, aso did the hopes and dreams of others being broken by the curse. It is forever, it will leave past his time. Seen as a Human Noble, he is not worthy of a title. Murder, butchter, monster these are the things he is.

Even though his face of that of a human, he is died inside. Not one of his companions will flinich or speak of it. Even Wynn will stay quiet even though she struggles with a spirt inside her as well. I wonder in that moment if Wynn though my PC would have killed her too?..maybe?..but she will never say so..the task of the dark spawn is too great..

Maker may he show him no mercy, as he does not deserve it. Damned for his actions, a walking corpse, even though breathing among men and talking he is dead. Worse then even the darkspawn, because they make their intentions clear. ..how far will he go..how much blood will he spill to defeat the darkspawn, without killing those lifes he was entrusted too

Modifié par Joshd21, 06 janvier 2010 - 07:15 .

[Vertrothe]

That's really the mark of a superior RPG, where the decisions are difficult and have actual emotionally moving consequences. This is what I have liked about a few other recent RPGs (Fable II comes to mind right off the bat) and has really captured my imagination with Dragon Age.

But on a slightly conflicting note, if you want to take a different story path, there are ways to make it easier on yourself to "do the wrong thing" as it were. Alienate the elves by being a greedy jerk first. Think only about yourself for a minute! And lastly, make sure the party you take with you into the Brecilian forest is of a more "morally flexible" sort - such as Morrigan or Oghren. And my personal maxim - "Always bring along your trusty mabari when you're off to do something reprehensible. He'll never judge you."

Or... something to that effect.

[SeanMurphy2]

I always kill Witherfang.



I don't like the way Swiftrunner talks to me. Zathrien gave me the quest so I don't want to turn on him. I don't like it how the werewolves are purposely trying to infect the elves with the curse. I am happy to kill all the werewolves.

[gx99-nq9y]

i kild zathrien for cursing them, its his own fault, who digs a pit for another will fall in it

[YunDog]

gx99-nq9y wrote...

i kild zathrien for cursing them, its his own fault, who digs a pit for another will fall in it

I set out on this playthrough to do everything differently - so I was determined to kill witherfang

but Zathrians bitter pill is too hard for me to swallow - its his curse that he sent me to do something about

everytime I end up killing him

[SusanStoHelit]

I'm about to get to my 4th run through the Forest - and I just know I won't be able to do anything but break the curse - again. I've tried to do either of the others - Witherfang or kill the Dalish - and I just can't.

The only thing harder, in my book, would be to let Branka live and retain the Anvil of the Void.

I've managed to do some of the other 'evil' things - but only once, for achievements, and then I have to reload & do the 'right' way - and never again. I can be selfish, haughty, snide, intimidating, sarcastic, and mean. No problem. Great deeds of evil? Just too painful. I cannot enjoy playing - it spoils my enjoyment of that character. So when I tried to keep evil deeds, I hated the character and deleted them or loaded an old save.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[RSTORM50]

I've always seen killing Witherfang as the last thing i'd do. Even on the first playthrough after talking with the lady and finding Zathairin waiting in the ruins. I felt deceived by Zath and when I had Shale with me he reinforces that thought in my mind. My choices are then narrowed to either getting him to break the curse or siding with the Werewolves and killing the elves. (Not an option if I am playing an Elf, however.)



While breaking the curse seems to be the right thing to do, I do not think there are any actual "evil" choices to make here.

[Kwanzaabot]

The elves are jerks. I say kill 'em all and let the Maker sort it out.



Plus, werewolves are just so much cooler.

[Bratinov]

I had no problem killing the Dailsh, but i cant bring myself to kill the spirit, even thought i dont like the wolves. The Dailsh are bitter and resentful people even to their own race.... Most of the time i tend to kill the elves just to preserve the spirit.



I have yet to play the Dailsh origin.



Its not a evil choice, its a nessesary one since the wolves are supposed to be the stronger army (they are not however ingame), and its a forceful way to try and get the elf to lift the curse.

[SusanStoHelit]

It's evil. Who are the innocents here? Not Zathrian for sure.

1. The Dalish (except for Zathrian) - they had nothing to do with the curse and suffered as a result of it.
2. The Lady/Witherfang - summoned and forced into the situation with no say.
3. The werewolves - the original abusers of Zathrian's children died centuries ago.

To either kill the Dalish or destroy the werewolves - when there is another option available that saves all the victims - is evil. If the choice was werewolves vs Dalish it would be different. The ability to break the curse and save everyone - and not take it, is evil.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:23 .

[Spads926]

I am on my 4th play through and decided to side with the werewolves. I have also let the mages die, defiled the ashes, and compromised with the demon in Redcliff to unlock Blood Mage, and plan on siding with the golems and letting Loghain live. I am doing all the "bad/evil" things on one character. Most for the game achievements, but I wanted to try our a totally different story line. Not sure I can do all this again because it's out of my character, but it is making the game enjoyable and different this time around.

[whitless256]

The very first time I made this decision I struggled with it a great deal. My first instinct was that obviously I would force Zathrian to break the curse, but then when I actually thought it through, I killed Witherfang instead. The way I saw it, or rather the way my City Elf saw it, he might have done exactly the same thing in Zathrian's shoes. After playing the origin and slaughtering my way through the Arl's estate, killing guards who'd done absolutely nothing to me, all out of a sense of revenge for what? The same thing that happened to Zathrian's daughter. After all that, how could I not side with him? To do otherwise would make me a hypocrite.



Certainly, cursing the humans was more severe than simply slaughtering them with a sword, but had he had the power Zathrian has, my City Elf wasn't sure he wouldn't have done the same thing. These Werewolves were just another Vaughn. And Swiftrunner certainly did nothing to convince me that they weren't still all jerks.



I felt bad for the Lady of the Forest since she really was the innocent here, but given the choice, my Elf sided with his own people because he was sick of centuries of abuse from the humans. I don't see this as the 'evil' choice. It's all in how you look at it.

[Bratinov]

The humans who wronged Zathrian are long dead, the wolves should not be punished for what their ancestors did, its the same with the castless dwarfs.

Modifié par Bratinov, 06 janvier 2010 - 11:51 .

[whitless256]

Bratinov wrote...

The humans who wronged Zathrian are long dead, the wolves should not be punished for what their ancestors did, its the same with the castless dwarfs.

The humans who enslaved the Elves are long dead, but that hasn't stopped other humans from perpetrating any number of crimes against Elves, both in the Alienages and in the Dales.  Perhaps not all directly, but they all quite happily turn a blind eye.  The next generation learns from the one before and those humans who were willing to commit such crimes against Zathrian's children would pass those values along to their children.

It's all how you look at it.

[Bratinov]

whitless256 wrote...


It's all how you look at it.

Now that's the truth.

[KCat]

Given the "dark" tone of the game, this quest is all too easy to take the "good" ending when you want it.



Once you agree to talk to the Lady, it's fully obvious what the "right" thing to do is, and it takes no effort to accomplish it (it in fact leads to a rather easy fight, especially if you have Alistair or someone else who can dispell the paralyzation on the werewolves), and requires no persuasion or intimidation.



The werewolves/Lady just want an end to the curse, and didn't even want to kill Zathrian (Swiftrunner only says to kill him after he refuses to lift the curse). There is no hint of lying from the Lady, no hint of an ulterior motive.. the werewolves are too bestial to really pull off a cunning lie, and at worst, the Lady only lies by omission (she never says she's Witherfang until confronted with Zathrian, even though she doesn't particularly hide the connection). Zathrian, though, does show a penchant for deceit (an unusually long life for even a Dalish, Danyla). You can even talk to Zathrian before committing yourself to not killing Witherfang, and he doesn't deny what he's done or why.



The only way I could see a "good" character killing the werewolves is if they refuse to parley, either out of fear of an ambush, or there being no use in talking (though that's not a very "good" attitude to have). Killing the elves is obviously not very "good", since only Zathrian is responsible, and it's actually quite difficult to do it (2 points in coercion and a 30 cunning, and I still couldn't persuade Swiftrunner; which is odd considering he's usually all worked up about killing people who oppose him and want to do him harm, even going against the Lady's will when he fought you once or both times in the forest).

[whitless256]

What I found to be a bit of a shame about the entire quest line was that you *can't* convince Zathrian to end the curse without first trying to kill him. Why couldn't my Elf talk him down? Compare their experiences? Say "this is what happened to me, I understand what you're feeling." Perhaps it might not have worked, but it would have been nice to have the option to relate to him on your similar backgrounds. He gets to use the "You're an elf, you understand!" line against me. And honestly, that was pretty persuasive, as I stated above.

[Inzhuna]

i know what you mean, this game affects you so much. i killed connor to experience a different outcome, and i felt so horrible after that, especially when alistair confronted me about it. couldn't sleep that night, honestly!

[errant_knight]

Yeah, I have to laugh at myself a bit. I find it impossible to do the 'bad' thing without feeling irredeemably soiled. When I try, I have to reload right away. There's a reason that Alistair gives my character the rose before we even to to Redcliffe castle. That was giving him one gift, the statue from Lothering. Oh, and Morrigan really, really doesn't like me. Next time through, I'm going to give no gifts except the plot related ones and see what happens.

It's kind of funny the way it pans out though. It's one romantic gesture after another until there's sex and then nothing. Typical. A girl still likes to hear nice things you know, Alistair.... Heh.

Modifié par errant_knight, 07 janvier 2010 - 08:14 .

[Ginasue]

First time I played that part of the game, I killed the Werewolves. Second time I played it, I desided to try it the other way just so see the outcome. I saved my game before I did it, so that If I didn't like the way it turned out, I could go back and redo it.

Well the second time, I ended up saving the Werewolves and have them turn back into humans. This also saved the Dalish people. Only two people died over all.