TBH I dont really care for the CerbHarrier. I find the mattock with a fast trigger finger does just as well plus its semi auto which im a huge fan of. But Ill stick to my CAR for now I only have a Val 1 .. till a ten ill leave it to collect dust.
Be honest, if you have a Harrier X and a Valkryie whatever....would you ever use the Valkyrie?
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:11
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mrcanada wrote...
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Show me a video of you using the Saber then. Without Marksman. I'm happy to learn.
I don't have a video capturing card, but I have it at X and use it juuuuusssttttt fine and none of my Marksmen kits utilize it.
How exactly do you use it for it to be juuuuusssttttt fine?
I'm sure he scores 150k in U/U/G PUG's with it.
How'd you know?
Because that's what everyone who defends bad weapons says.
And it's always just some pubstar who almost never plays with other good players. I can score 200k+ with a Shuriken, it doesn't make it a good weapon.
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I would stay with my Mattock over both of them for the lower weight but similar damage per shot.tyhw wrote...
To use the Valkyrie over the Harrier is like using the Mattock over the Harrier. You can do okay with it, but it is very clearly the inferior option.
So when I go into a match with people that have the Harrier X and finish with twice their score and only 1 or 0 deaths that is showing my Mattock as the inferior option?
No, it's showing that PUG's suck and you're a better player.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:17
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Lord_Sirian wrote...
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I would stay with my Mattock over both of them for the lower weight but similar damage per shot.tyhw wrote...
To use the Valkyrie over the Harrier is like using the Mattock over the Harrier. You can do okay with it, but it is very clearly the inferior option.
So when I go into a match with people that have the Harrier X and finish with twice their score and only 1 or 0 deaths that is showing my Mattock as the inferior option?
No, it's showing that PUG's suck and you're a better player.
The Valkyrie should be the AR equivalent of the Hurricane. The recent buff was not a buff, you don't even notice a difference.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:27
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Yes, so much yes, I'd use the valkyrie over the harrier.
Harrier is effing torture with it's crappy ammo capacity, and questionable accuracy beyond a certain range at full auto.
Nothing really helps it's ammo. What's gear gunna do? Give you maybe one more clip you'll burn through almost instantly in any real combat?
The torture of it's assault rifle challenge was enough.
I'd rather use pretty much any other AR in the game over it. I don't care how fast the harrier kills if I can't leave an effing ammo box with any confidence I'll have to run straight to another ammo box.
But that's not to say the other ARs don't need any help. They do. It's just that the Harrier gets on my nerves, and that's personal preferrence.
You shouldn't have to hit the ammo boxes more than once or twice a wave on Gold in a decent team.
If you do, you might want to try aiming at the enemies.
Also, there is no apostrophe in that version of "its". The only time "its" has an apostrophe is when it is a contraction of "it is".
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:29
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Lord_Sirian wrote...
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Yes, so much yes, I'd use the valkyrie over the harrier.
Harrier is effing torture with it's crappy ammo capacity, and questionable accuracy beyond a certain range at full auto.
Nothing really helps it's ammo. What's gear gunna do? Give you maybe one more clip you'll burn through almost instantly in any real combat?
The torture of it's assault rifle challenge was enough.
I'd rather use pretty much any other AR in the game over it. I don't care how fast the harrier kills if I can't leave an effing ammo box with any confidence I'll have to run straight to another ammo box.
But that's not to say the other ARs don't need any help. They do. It's just that the Harrier gets on my nerves, and that's personal preferrence.
You shouldn't have to hit the ammo boxes more than once or twice a wave on Gold in a decent team.
If you do, you might want to try aiming at the enemies.
Also, there is no apostrophe in that version of "its". The only time "its" has an apostrophe is when it is a contraction of "it is".
Do you agree with me that the Valkyrie should have the same utility as the Hurricane?
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:34
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Stardusk wrote...
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Yes, so much yes, I'd use the valkyrie over the harrier.
Harrier is effing torture with it's crappy ammo capacity, and questionable accuracy beyond a certain range at full auto.
Nothing really helps it's ammo. What's gear gunna do? Give you maybe one more clip you'll burn through almost instantly in any real combat?
The torture of it's assault rifle challenge was enough.
I'd rather use pretty much any other AR in the game over it. I don't care how fast the harrier kills if I can't leave an effing ammo box with any confidence I'll have to run straight to another ammo box.
But that's not to say the other ARs don't need any help. They do. It's just that the Harrier gets on my nerves, and that's personal preferrence.
You shouldn't have to hit the ammo boxes more than once or twice a wave on Gold in a decent team.
If you do, you might want to try aiming at the enemies.
Also, there is no apostrophe in that version of "its". The only time "its" has an apostrophe is when it is a contraction of "it is".
Do you agree with me that the Valkyrie should have the same utility as the Hurricane?
Erm... the Hurricane's utility is limited to medium - close range. So it's hard to say yes, because the Valkyrie is clearly designed for another role.
It should at least be the equal of a Harrier though, especially given that most people hate having to spam click or use macros.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:34
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BSN. Endless entertainment.
#134
Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:35
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HARRIERS GO ON ALL AR SLOTS
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:50
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I find the N7 Valkyrie to be a pretty gun; I like the way it feels shooting it and the sound is beautiful. I can reliably kill things with it on Gold, so I'm okay with it.
I personally regard the Cerberus Harrier as an ugly weapon; I don't like the feel nor the sound of it, and I don't like the fact that shooting it from cover creates instability.
I have them both at level II, and I always choose the Valkyrie over it, but the Saber is my favorite assault rifle. The Valkyrie comes in a close second.
I personally regard the Cerberus Harrier as an ugly weapon; I don't like the feel nor the sound of it, and I don't like the fact that shooting it from cover creates instability.
I have them both at level II, and I always choose the Valkyrie over it, but the Saber is my favorite assault rifle. The Valkyrie comes in a close second.
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#137
Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:51
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I haven't used the Valk yet because I only have it at I and well...I don't want to be disappointed really. So I'll just wait.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 07:59
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Yes, I would.Yes, I will.
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#139
Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 08:00
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I have Harrier IV and Valkyrie V.
The Valkyrie gets used more.
The Valkyrie gets used more.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 08:13
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Hmm the only true AR in Mass Effect 3 that synergies well with most builds and a piece of **** that weights a ton. Hmm hard choice.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 08:14
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"If you have a Harrier X and ANY OTHER GUN AT ALL, why use ANY OTHER GUN AT ALL EVER.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 08:39
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i have no idea why people thinking that play a game...polymphus wrote...
"If you have a Harrier X and ANY OTHER GUN AT ALL, why use ANY OTHER GUN AT ALL EVER.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 08:52
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Yes i would for challenges. I have a harrier x but havent been using ir much lately since im trying to do other challenges.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 10:32
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Valkryie should have special ammo come equipped with the weapon, a type of explosive effect, that maybe damage non shielded unit better, or something. Not as explosive as explosive ammo, but just an idea.
I always thought Argus needed 5 shots per burst, Valkryie, Vindicator, and now Argus, too many weapons, all the same 3 shot burst kinda boring. These three rifles need to be unique in their own ways to be worthy. Art diversity, player handling or whatever.
I think because Valkryie is so similar in terms of feel and handling to 2 other rifle, that it isnt really new beyond what the 3D model has of it. I would choose Harrier between Valkryie and it. But yeah, rifles, not many choices right now. And the game has been out so long, and everybody logged in like 300 hours +.
Hope they do better at ME4, I'll be back for that.
I always thought Argus needed 5 shots per burst, Valkryie, Vindicator, and now Argus, too many weapons, all the same 3 shot burst kinda boring. These three rifles need to be unique in their own ways to be worthy. Art diversity, player handling or whatever.
I think because Valkryie is so similar in terms of feel and handling to 2 other rifle, that it isnt really new beyond what the 3D model has of it. I would choose Harrier between Valkryie and it. But yeah, rifles, not many choices right now. And the game has been out so long, and everybody logged in like 300 hours +.
Hope they do better at ME4, I'll be back for that.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 11:11
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I would definitely use the valkyrie because no matter how much I play or save up enough credit, the RNG store will always troll me by not letting me get a harrier at all.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 11:28
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Quoted you just cause you are wrong about this, long range combat is actually one made from a sniper perge with a x4 scope and drill rounds...Lord_Sirian wrote...
They are comparable in that they're both AR's meant for medium - long range combat.Finlandiaprkl wrote...
Harrier & Valkyrie
The Harrier actually works pretty well on close range combat, where the objective is to stun and kill the target as fast as you can... while the Valkyrie works better at medium range as head shot ... well it actually doesn't, but what ever.
But you are right about the Valkyrie having different role than the Hurrican, cause the Hurrican and Harrier's role is quite much the same, well except that one uses them differently for numbers of reasons, the numbers being major part of it, but the range can be the same, but the survival depends on totally different factors.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 11:34
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Wait. If bioware thinks there are, then are they absense of reason?Stardusk wrote...
I can't seem to find a reason tbh.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 11:59
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Jarno Mikkola wrote...
Quoted you just cause you are wrong about this, long range combat is actually one made from a sniper perge with a x4 scope and drill rounds...Lord_Sirian wrote...
They are comparable in that they're both AR's meant for medium - long range combat.Finlandiaprkl wrote...
Harrier & Valkyrie
The Harrier actually works pretty well on close range combat, where the objective is to stun and kill the target as fast as you can... while the Valkyrie works better at medium range as head shot ... well it actually doesn't, but what ever.
But you are right about the Valkyrie having different role than the Hurrican, cause the Hurrican and Harrier's role is quite much the same, well except that one uses them differently for numbers of reasons, the numbers being major part of it, but the range can be the same, but the survival depends on totally different factors.
Actually I'm not wrong. Context matters, the maps in this game are so small that "long range" is not anything close to "long range" in other games.
And yes the Harrier works just fine in CQC, but its DESIGN shows that it is intended to work best at medium - long range. Just the same way that a Claymore works fine at medium range, but is DESIGNED to work best in CQC.
And the Harrier and Hurricane do not serve the same purpose whatsoever. The Hurricane works best in CQC or medium range, and will not work well at long range. The Harrier works well at all ranges, but doesn't do as much burst DPS as the Hurricane, has less spare ammo and weighs more. Their roles are completely different.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 12:00
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Lord_Sirian wrote...
the Harrier and Hurricane do not serve the same purpose whatsoever. The Hurricane works best in CQC or medium range, and will not work well at long range. The Harrier works well at all ranges, but doesn't do as much burst DPS as the Hurricane, has less spare ammo and weighs more. Their roles are completely different.
fact.
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Posté 16 décembre 2012 - 12:03
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Lord_Sirian wrote...
Jarno Mikkola wrote...
Quoted you just cause you are wrong about this, long range combat is actually one made from a sniper perge with a x4 scope and drill rounds...Lord_Sirian wrote...
They are comparable in that they're both AR's meant for medium - long range combat.Finlandiaprkl wrote...
Harrier & Valkyrie
The Harrier actually works pretty well on close range combat, where the objective is to stun and kill the target as fast as you can... while the Valkyrie works better at medium range as head shot ... well it actually doesn't, but what ever.
But you are right about the Valkyrie having different role than the Hurrican, cause the Hurrican and Harrier's role is quite much the same, well except that one uses them differently for numbers of reasons, the numbers being major part of it, but the range can be the same, but the survival depends on totally different factors.
Actually I'm not wrong. Context matters, the maps in this game are so small that "long range" is not anything close to "long range" in other games.
And yes the Harrier works just fine in CQC, but its DESIGN shows that it is intended to work best at medium - long range. Just the same way that a Claymore works fine at medium range, but is DESIGNED to work best in CQC.
And the Harrier and Hurricane do not serve the same purpose whatsoever. The Hurricane works best in CQC or medium range, and will not work well at long range. The Harrier works well at all ranges, but doesn't do as much burst DPS as the Hurricane, has less spare ammo and weighs more. Their roles are completely different.
I prefer the PPR to both.
