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Viglin wrote...
Granted l came late to this interesting thread....but really???!!!!!
A company is not allowed to be late...since when?
History is built on the foundations of missed timelines.
As to the OP, unless some link to some offical timeline/post/date is linked, then this is just obvious trolling.
Modifié par Dahelia, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:34 .
Modifié par What a Twist, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:38 .
hear hear. I don't know how this crap-storm started with dahelia and apparently everyone else, and frankly I really don't care. All i know, slinging mud at each other isn't furthering anyone's understanding of RTO, delay or otherwise. I think it's kinda funny that in one post they're accusing her of trolling and saying things unrealated to the topic, and the next someone's comparing her to an earthworm. Can we stay on point?JTBehnke wrote...
I can see why the previous threads were shut down. There was a lot of whining and not much useful information at all.
Viglin wrote...
Dahelia wrote...
What a Twist wrote...
Exactly, so the roles are in reverse here. Do you understand now?Dahelia wrote...
Jimmy Fury wrote...
I was really trying to restrain myself from this I'm painfully bored so weeee
Dahelia. I understand everything you've said but there's something to take into account.
Your business functions in an entirely different way than Bioware's business. You work on your customers schedule. The customer tells you when the wedding is and *you* agree to provide your service in a timely manner. Essentially you really have no control over the delivery date aside from not agreeing to help the customer at all because you're already booked.
Bioware on the other hand, does not work on our schedule. We don't decide when they will make something available, they make that decision.
To this end, it is always the prerogative of the schedule-setter to change the schedule. If a Bride called you the night before the wedding and said "I'm sorry something came up and the wedding had to be rescheduled for next month." How would you react?
It's obvious you're very good at your job so it seems likely that you would not demand more details on why the wedding had been postponed.
As for the idea that not giving details about a delay would get someone fired in any industry, I can assure you that you are absolutely incorrect. I used to be in charge of pre-orders at a chain book/music/movie store (just the one store... not the company lol). I promise you, I swear on every comic book I own, that publishers don't give out details 80% of the time. We were lucky if we even got a warning before the street date. Sergei Lukyanenko's Last Watch got pushed back 7 times (almost a year and a half later than the first announced release date) and we never, ever, got a warning or a reason.
Again, I understand your point but it's not changing anything. Just be patient and Bioware will let us know what's up as soon as they can.
Depends on if she was crying...or sounded angry...I would ask...it takes weeks to even months to create a wedding cake....you do realize this? But no, I would not be angry if they cancelled or delayed on me, but they would be pissed at me if I did, it is the different..I'm the company, they are the customer.
Customer is allowed to delay, the company, is not. Do you understand now? Or will I have to explain more for you?
Granted l came late to this interesting thread....but really???!!!!!
A company is not allowed to be late...since when?
History is built on the foundations of missed timelines.
As to the OP, unless some link to some offical timeline/post/date is linked, then this is just obvious trolling.
What a Twist wrote...
Im not sure how many times it has to be said, but here we go for the last time. Your customers ordered the product from you, and gave you a date it had to be done by.
Bioware made a product, because they wanted money, and told us what date it would be available. Nobody placed an order for it, they may have gotted bioware points to purchase it, but those can be used on anything. Its like taking money out of the bank and saying it was meant for your meal, but they were out of that specific food item.
Apples =/= oranges, release date =/= due date.
Modifié par darkshadow136, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .
knight5923 wrote...
hear hear. I don't know how this crap-storm started with dahelia and apparently everyone else, and frankly I really don't care. All i know, slinging mud at each other isn't furthering anyone's understanding of RTO, delay or otherwise. I think it's kinda funny that in one post they're accusing her of trolling and saying things unrealated to the topic, and the next someone's comparing her to an earthworm. Can we stay on point?JTBehnke wrote...
I can see why the previous threads were shut down. There was a lot of whining and not much useful information at all.
Modifié par BrianWilly, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .
But the difference being, they NEED it by that date, any later and they're screwed. This is just a stupid DLC for a video game, nobody is going to explode because its not out of time, it won't ruin someones wedding.(I... assume...)Dahelia wrote...
What a Twist wrote...
Im not sure how many times it has to be said, but here we go for the last time. Your customers ordered the product from you, and gave you a date it had to be done by.
Bioware made a product, because they wanted money, and told us what date it would be available. Nobody placed an order for it, they may have gotted bioware points to purchase it, but those can be used on anything. Its like taking money out of the bank and saying it was meant for your meal, but they were out of that specific food item.
Apples =/= oranges, release date =/= due date.
We need to fix our quotes...let me. Anyways....I also allow people to place orders....and they order it, I tell them when it can be done by in comparison to their date they want it.....if I fail....and say an issue came up at the last few ours of the date...I'm screwed and they demand to know why...
Eurypterid wrote...
Okay, let's just calm down here, people. This was a pretty reasonable discussion when I left at around page 10. Now... not so much. Let's get back to discussing things in a civil manner. If there are any more insults thrown around in this thread, I'll just prevent those people from posting rather than shut this down.
Savvy?
Oh, and ease off the gigantic nested quotes as well. I've said this several times now.
What a Twist wrote...
But the difference being, they NEED it by that date, any later and they're screwed. This is just a stupid DLC for a video game, nobody is going to explode because its not out of time, it won't ruin someones wedding.(I... assume...)Dahelia wrote...
What a Twist wrote...
Im not sure how many times it has to be said, but here we go for the last time. Your customers ordered the product from you, and gave you a date it had to be done by.
Bioware made a product, because they wanted money, and told us what date it would be available. Nobody placed an order for it, they may have gotted bioware points to purchase it, but those can be used on anything. Its like taking money out of the bank and saying it was meant for your meal, but they were out of that specific food item.
Apples =/= oranges, release date =/= due date.
We need to fix our quotes...let me. Anyways....I also allow people to place orders....and they order it, I tell them when it can be done by in comparison to their date they want it.....if I fail....and say an issue came up at the last few ours of the date...I'm screwed and they demand to know why...
I get the point you're making, I understand it. With most other products I would want and answer too, but this is not the same market you work in.
Steel_Soldier wrote...
Can´t wait for return to Ostagar, Cailan´s armour looks awesome, specially the helmet and all, I wonder if the armour scales itself to the player level.
What a Twist wrote...
It could ruin a wedding...but let us not get into that one.
...They would be an interesting couple.
Modifié par EricXIII, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .
What a Twist wrote...
..They would be an interesting couple.
Dahelia wrote...
Customer is allowed to delay, the company, is not. Do you understand now? Or will I have to explain more for you?
Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:51 .
EricXIII wrote...
cant you see that your wasting your time here by quoting her?isnt it obvious?let get back on topic people,it seems that chris is online let wait and see
Our cat is on fire?Dahelia wrote...
What a Twist wrote...
..They would be an interesting couple.
You have not heard the half of the excuses of delaying I have heard...have not lol....
hopefully some news. that would be cool.EricXIII wrote...
...They would be an interesting couple.What a Twist wrote...
It could ruin a wedding...but let us not get into that one.
cant you see that your wasting your time here by quoting her?isnt it obvious?let get back on topic people,it seems that chris is online let wait and see
Modifié par bzombo, 06 janvier 2010 - 08:50 .
Jimmy Fury wrote...
Dahelia wrote...
Customer is allowed to delay, the company, is not. Do you understand now? Or will I have to explain more for you?
Aiya...
Companies can delay. they do it all the time. How can that be made any more clear?
jennamarae wrote...
Eurypterid wrote...
I've seen other people state something similar, and I have to say I find it odd.
Speaking solely for myself, this is the first Bioware game I've ever played and this whole RtO fiasco is giving an absolutely horrid first impression. DAO is awesome, but it seems releasing this single 1-hour (allegedly) DLC is just disaster piled upon disaster. It's been nothing but bad news since they announced it when there's any news at all, and mostly there's just no news.
This is all I personally know of the company: they made a great game, decent DLC's at launch, can't answer questions in threads they start for us to ask questions even if it's just a simple "I can't answer that because it's too spoilerific" or "I don't know the answer to that", and that a 1-hour DLC is beyond their abilities to finish and release given the two delays and muliple "issues" (which could mean anything). Overall, it leaves a very sour taste in my mouth and a very poor impression of the company. The game itself is great, if extremely buggy, but everything else honestly is just not what I would expect from a professional business.
Yes, they told us RtO would be delayed yet again. But then waited till the next day to say there was an "issue". What "issue" exactly is it? Game-breaking bug that was somehow missed until the day before release? Server melt-down? Someone accidently wipe the whole program? An "issue" can be many things, and a little bit of specificity would go a long way to fix the awful first impression they're making with me and I'm sure many others. Though I'm sure they have a strong enough fan base that they really don't care if they make a bad impression on first time customers, it won't do much to increase their fan base if things continue the way they've been going.
Some people don't care why it's delayed, and that's their prerogative. I do. If it's a bug or a server melt-down, it can be fixed presumably. If someone wiped the whole thing accidentally, it can't. Wanting the reason for the delay basically boils down to can you fix it or not, and if you can fix it is it an easy fix or something that's going to take months to straighten out. Not an unreasonable question by any stretch of the imagination.
My .02 for what it's worth.
What a Twist wrote...
Our cat is on fire?Dahelia wrote...
What a Twist wrote...
..They would be an interesting couple.
You have not heard the half of the excuses of delaying I have heard...have not lol....
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