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[VelvetPerception]

Eh, so the game content was delayed(again), not like that doesn't happen often. What exactly is achieved from arguing about it? It's still delayed and it'll still be ready when its ready. Its disappointing but cannot really be helped. I figure instead of sitting here flaming this thread hoping for some kind of unlikely result, you're better off playing the game or finding something else to do to pass the time. Its not in the developers best interest to delay things, sometimes **** happens and can't be helped. But filling the inbox's of people who could be working to get the content ready and arguing with them.. seems kinda like it could only delay things further no?

At the end of the day, you guys are going to have to wait. The developers are going to have to wait(and i'm sure they're eagerly awaiting the day that they can relax a little and only deal with real issues) and in the end you're likely to buy the product anyway and both parties will be better off.

So in the mean time, stop wasting your limited life time sitting here trying to achieve something that's simply not going to happen, they know they've stuffed up, we know that we have to wait, we know whinging isn't going to change ****. Go and watch some tv or something and leave them to fix their mistake

[Aesir Rising]

VelvetPerception wrote...

<snip> What exactly is achieved from arguing about it? <snip>

* The delay creates frustration and we have here an outlet to vent that frustration

* We also have an opportunity to illustrate the importance of information such as:
1)    time-line to resolution, and
2)    root cause

In the first instance, an estimate, if not a specific date, provides a goal of sorts.  Rather than leaving it all open-ended, we'd have something to set our sights on (which may in itself help vent frustration with the original delay).  Experience shows us that if you announce a date, and don't deliver, you create a problem.  Of course!  What do you expect when you don't deliver on a committment?  I don't think the solution is to avoid making a committment though.  And we see exactly that when we get vague and non-commital time frames such as "holiday season" or "Spring 2010".  You have to draw a line in the sand at some point and accept the consequences.

In the second instance, knowing root cause gives us an opportunity to feedback to the company on stuff we may find more or less important.  For example, if I found that true root cause of the delay was to provide for a simultaneous release on all platforms (which we saw a precedent for when the original PC release was delayed from April to November iirc because one of the console development programs was lagging behind), I'd definitely vent my hatred all over that type of delay.  Conversely, if we found that the root cause was technical in nature, such as some problem with the DLC related achievements, I could voice support or perhaps not post at all about the issue, since I can understand delays based on bug fixes.  But what we have afaik, is some vague non-committal statement about "quality" issues.

[Guiomar]

I guess they simply dont want to screw it up with a game breaking bug like the toolset had

[Sidney]

Aesir Rising wrote...

In the first instance, an estimate, if not a specific date, provides a goal of sorts.  Rather than leaving it all open-ended, we'd have something to set our sights on (which may in itself help vent frustration with the original delay).  Experience shows us that if you announce a date, and don't deliver, you create a problem.  Of course!  What do you expect when you don't deliver on a committment?  I don't think the solution is to avoid making a committment though.  And we see exactly that when we get vague and non-commital time frames such as "holiday season" or "Spring 2010".  You have to draw a line in the sand at some point and accept the consequences.

I'm guessing the "date" is no longer about technical issues. The delay might have been spec-ed out at X days but if that gets too close to ME2 they might be concerned about loss of revenue....but then again assuming a March deliverable for Awakening will that hurt sales of RtO? Based on what I've read on Awakening you can't go back to Ferelden once you go to the expansion so they can't really delay RtO to after that either...if I understand this correctly. They might have to just eat that DLC, release it and hope for the best at some non-optimal time.

[submarinex1]

Aesir Rising wrote...

VelvetPerception wrote...

What exactly is achieved from arguing about it?

* The delay creates frustration and we have here an outlet to vent that frustration

* We also have an opportunity to illustrate the importance of information such as:
1)    time-line to resolution, and
2)    root cause

In the first instance, an estimate, if not a specific date, provides a goal of sorts.  Rather than leaving it all open-ended, we'd have something to set our sights on (which may in itself help vent frustration with the original delay).  Experience shows us that if you announce a date, and don't deliver, you create a problem.  Of course!  What do you expect when you don't deliver on a committment?  I don't think the solution is to avoid making a committment though.  And we see exactly that when we get vague and non-commital time frames such as "holiday season" or "Spring 2010".  You have to draw a line in the sand at some point and accept the consequences.

In the second instance, knowing root cause gives us an opportunity to feedback to the company on stuff we may find more or less important.  For example, if I found that true root cause of the delay was to provide for a simultaneous release on all platforms (which we saw a precedent for when the original PC release was delayed from April to November iirc because one of the console development programs was lagging behind), I'd definitely vent my hatred all over that type of delay.  Conversely, if we found that the root cause was technical in nature, such as some problem with the DLC related achievements, I could voice support or perhaps not post at all about the issue, since I can understand delays based on bug fixes.  But what we have afaik, is some vague non-committal statement about "quality" issues.

that just looks like a long winded tell me what you cant tell me or ill cry post.

it happens on every game i have they dont give date for a patch kids cry, they dont bring patch on a date they have said kids cry. why would they say friday if they are not sure it was going to be friday and then be slammed with all the same pointless posts so far on this thread.  you want a root cause,why because your going to be able to fix it ?what does it matter if its not working as planned its not working. 40pages on just this and what have you learnt, nothing just that people on a forum will make long posts which give nothing new to anyone.

Modifié par submarinex1, 08 janvier 2010 - 05:10 .

[WarlordThor]

submarinex1 wrote...

that just looks like a long winded tell me what you cant tell me or ill cry post.

it happens on every game i have they dont give date for a patch kids cry, they dont bring patch on a date they have said kids cry. why would they say friday if they are not sure it was going to be friday and then be slammed with all the same pointless posts so far on this thread.  you want a root cause,why because your going to be able to fix it ?what does it matter if its not working as planned its not working. 40pages on just this and what have you learnt, nothing just that people on a forum will make long posts which give nothing new to anyone.

I wonder why people feel the need to quote a response they clearly did not read. "that just looks like". Well maybe if you read it, you would know what it really was. It was actually a very intelligent and well worded perspective on the issue that I think Bioware should look at.

Also people should remember that while insulting others for complaining and posting on an issue that will get nowhere, you may do well to remember you are posting in the same exact forum on the same issue that will go nowhere.

[CameronDAO]

WarlordThor wrote...

submarinex1 wrote...

that just looks like a long winded tell me what you cant tell me or ill cry post.

it happens on every game i have they dont give date for a patch kids cry, they dont bring patch on a date they have said kids cry. why would they say friday if they are not sure it was going to be friday and then be slammed with all the same pointless posts so far on this thread.  you want a root cause,why because your going to be able to fix it ?what does it matter if its not working as planned its not working. 40pages on just this and what have you learnt, nothing just that people on a forum will make long posts which give nothing new to anyone.

I wonder why people feel the need to quote a response they clearly did not read. "that just looks like". Well maybe if you read it, you would know what it really was. It was actually a very intelligent and well worded perspective on the issue that I think Bioware should look at.

Also people should remember that while insulting others for complaining and posting on an issue that will get nowhere, you may do well to remember you are posting in the same exact forum on the same issue that will go nowhere.

I would have to concur with this statement. More "shoving" is not going to do anyone here, absolutely any good. We will all have to wait the same length of time.
:happy:

[squid5580]

Don't you guys get it yet? There is no RTO. It has never and will never exist other than on this site. They will just keep announcing it is delayed to keep us from trading in our copies of the game. It is a carrot on a stick. Just like Stone Prisoner and all the other DLC that came with the game is. HaHA I am onto you Bioware.

[squid5580]

submarinex1 wrote...

Aesir Rising wrote...

VelvetPerception wrote...

What exactly is achieved from arguing about it?

* The delay creates frustration and we have here an outlet to vent that frustration

* We also have an opportunity to illustrate the importance of information such as:
1)    time-line to resolution, and
2)    root cause

In the first instance, an estimate, if not a specific date, provides a goal of sorts.  Rather than leaving it all open-ended, we'd have something to set our sights on (which may in itself help vent frustration with the original delay).  Experience shows us that if you announce a date, and don't deliver, you create a problem.  Of course!  What do you expect when you don't deliver on a committment?  I don't think the solution is to avoid making a committment though.  And we see exactly that when we get vague and non-commital time frames such as "holiday season" or "Spring 2010".  You have to draw a line in the sand at some point and accept the consequences.

In the second instance, knowing root cause gives us an opportunity to feedback to the company on stuff we may find more or less important.  For example, if I found that true root cause of the delay was to provide for a simultaneous release on all platforms (which we saw a precedent for when the original PC release was delayed from April to November iirc because one of the console development programs was lagging behind), I'd definitely vent my hatred all over that type of delay.  Conversely, if we found that the root cause was technical in nature, such as some problem with the DLC related achievements, I could voice support or perhaps not post at all about the issue, since I can understand delays based on bug fixes.  But what we have afaik, is some vague non-committal statement about "quality" issues.

that just looks like a long winded tell me what you cant tell me or ill cry post.

it happens on every game i have they dont give date for a patch kids cry, they dont bring patch on a date they have said kids cry. why would they say friday if they are not sure it was going to be friday and then be slammed with all the same pointless posts so far on this thread.  you want a root cause,why because your going to be able to fix it ?what does it matter if its not working as planned its not working. 40pages on just this and what have you learnt, nothing just that people on a forum will make long posts which give nothing new to anyone.

No we are mad because A 70 DOLLAR  GAME  SHOULD NOT  BE  IN  NEED  OF  A  PATCH  TO  BEGIN  WITH.  I DIDN"T PAY 70 BUCKS  SO  I  COULD  HAVE  THE  HONOR  OF  TESTING  THE  GAME FOR THEM!!!!!!

It is great that if a bug has caused the delay they are doing the right thing and fixing it. Although I would like to know where these testers were when it came to the full retail game.

Modifié par squid5580, 08 janvier 2010 - 07:17 .

[What a Twist]

Relax squid, mistakes are made all the time on games, most of them are exploited or ignored. Bioware is trying to give us a better than average gaming experience.

Modifié par What a Twist, 08 janvier 2010 - 07:28 .

[VanDraegon]

squid5580 wrote...
No we are mad because A 70 DOLLAR  GAME  SHOULD NOT  BE  IN  NEED  OF  A  PATCH  TO  BEGIN  WITH.  I DIDN"T PAY 70 BUCKS  SO  I  COULD  HAVE  THE  HONOR  OF  TESTING  THE  GAME FOR THEM!!!!!!

It is great that if a bug has caused the delay they are doing the right thing and fixing it. Although I would like to know where these testers were when it came to the full retail game.

Give it a rest. All modern games need patches, it is a fact of gaming life and you well know it. If you cant take it anymore i suggest you take up Chutes and Ladders instead.


There are no game breaking bugs in the retail DA game. There are relatively few bugs in fact. I have experienced zero crashes and only a couple minor bugs and the same is true for the majority of other ♠players. The game is very steady. A great accomplishment for such a large game.

[BraveFrankie]

For me i can wait for it since i'm creating new characters like crazy. I only paid $40 for this game and only bought like $5 worth of dlc and paying an extra $5 more for an hour and new equipment doesn't bother me. And now a new expansion means only one thing which character should i finish first.

[squid5580]

VanDraegon wrote...

squid5580 wrote...
No we are mad because A 70 DOLLAR  GAME  SHOULD NOT  BE  IN  NEED  OF  A  PATCH  TO  BEGIN  WITH.  I DIDN"T PAY 70 BUCKS  SO  I  COULD  HAVE  THE  HONOR  OF  TESTING  THE  GAME FOR THEM!!!!!!

It is great that if a bug has caused the delay they are doing the right thing and fixing it. Although I would like to know where these testers were when it came to the full retail game.

Give it a rest. All modern games need patches, it is a fact of gaming life and you well know it. If you cant take it anymore i suggest you take up Chutes and Ladders instead.


There are no game breaking bugs in the retail DA game. There are relatively few bugs in fact. I have experienced zero crashes and only a couple minor bugs and the same is true for the majority of other ♠players. The game is very steady. A great accomplishment for such a large game.

Does that make it right? Does that make it OK? Just because now everything is online and they can fix it later on that these shenagins are acceptable? Why can't everyone work like that? Hey I only need to cook your burger half way. You can use the light at your table to cook it the rest of the way if you like. No wonder this will never change if y'all just willingly bend over with a big smile and take it dry.

And  I don't know what you are playing it on but in the 360 version I have had more than my fair share of lost time because of reloading due to bugs. Nothing beats being in the middle of a fight and bringing up your radial doesn't pause the game but putting it down does.

[WarlordThor]

What a Twist wrote...

Relax squid, mistakes are made all the time on games, most of them are exploited or ignored. Bioware is trying to give us a better than average gaming experience.

I believe Squid might have been refencing speciafically the patch that didnt come out for the PC version for several days after release. The patch that contained many of the fixes already implemented in the retail versions for the consoles. In this I have to agree with him completely. That was a mistake of Bioware and shows that we did pay for an unfinished product. It was not evena  day zero patch, which would have been more than acceptable. Of course if Squid wasn't referencing this particularly, well now he was

[LiZzuRd]

lol, talk about tantrums. Too many spoilt adults need to put their dummy's back in and pipe down.



Delays happen. Grow up.



The product IS finished hense why most have done several playthroughs without any BSOD's or anything serious.



At the end of the day Bioware are here to make money - in delaying the DLC, they delay receiving revenue from it... and being a developer myself, I'm pretty sure there's good reason for it.



Everytime I come on here to find info out about quests in the game I just end up reading whines from a bunch of grow men crying about their precious DLC. STFU BORED OF READING IT NOW.

[Ulous]

submarinex1...
that just looks like a long winded tell me what you cant tell me or ill cry post.

it happens on every game i have they dont give date for a patch kids cry, they dont bring patch on a date they have said kids cry. why would they say friday if they are not sure it was going to be friday and then be slammed with all the same pointless posts so far on this thread.  you want a root cause,why because your going to be able to fix it ?what does it matter if its not working as planned its not working. 40pages on just this and what have you learnt, nothing just that people on a forum will make long posts which give nothing new to anyone.

Just do what I said in a previous thread, if you guys had 5th of jan in your head, I would of thought "lets tell the community it will be released on march 5th", its a double bonus, 1.) you get a two month window to sort any problems (if need be), and 2.) if it comes out early everyone will bow down and kiss the ring of Bioware.

Modifié par Ulous, 08 janvier 2010 - 11:34 .

[Dormiglione]

And dont forget that the DLC has to pass again the certification process from microsoft. It takes also time. Sure its unpleasant that the DLC is not available at the given date, but i rather want to have a bug free DLC at the end of january as a bugged DLC right now.

So be patient and wait.

[ReverendJynx]

For those interested an inside source that I can't name says it was delayed because Sony asked them to wait.



Apparently they have a large user base that warrants making all of us wait.

[SkaTeeB]

VanDraegon wrote...
There are no game breaking bugs in the retail DA game. There are relatively few bugs in fact. I have experienced zero crashes and only a couple minor bugs and the same is true for the majority of other ♠players. The game is very steady. A great accomplishment for such a large game.

I'm glad you didn't experience any game breaking bugs.  Quite a few X360 DA:O owners are experiencing game breaking bugs including one that corrupts your saves so you can't ever complete the game.  The game is great though, which is why it's sucks so bad that it's broken; if this was a crap game then no one would care.  It's been 2.5 months and we still can't get through the game, which seems kind of wrong to me.

[jayheld90]

ReverendJynx wrote...

For those interested an inside source that I can't name says it was delayed because Sony asked them to wait.

Apparently they have a large user base that warrants making all of us wait.

what now?
what are you on about?
how would sony have anything to do with it, and why wouldnt they tell us, if it was?