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[Psython]

I find it more or less disturbing that people expect bioware to be more transparent than their own government in real life. I think the anouncement that RTO is delayed is sufficient. It is not in anyone's interest to release RTO on two out of three platforms. A simultaneous release is the only way to keep everyone happy.



There is too much anger in this thread. Are you personally invested in this company? Do you think one guy at bioware or ea flipped a "no-dlc" switch? We will all get to play RTO when it is officially released and thats how it should be.

[TastyLaksa]

Psython wrote...

I find it more or less disturbing that people expect bioware to be more transparent than their own government in real life. I think the anouncement that RTO is delayed is sufficient. It is not in anyone's interest to release RTO on two out of three platforms. A simultaneous release is the only way to keep everyone happy.

There is too much anger in this thread. Are you personally invested in this company? Do you think one guy at bioware or ea flipped a "no-dlc" switch? We will all get to play RTO when it is officially released and thats how it should be.

I am invested in EA. But not as much as i am invested in Activision-blizzard.

If they wanted to simultaneous release then what was the January 5th date about? Lies like the cake?

[Ryldaun]

Psython wrote...

 It is not in anyone's interest to release RTO on two out of three platforms. A simultaneous release is the only way to keep everyone happy.

No, this makes just those happy which would be last otherwise, 2 loose instead of 1 and the 1 happy doesn't even get it earlier than before.

[TastyLaksa]

Ryldaun wrote...

Psython wrote...

 It is not in anyone's interest to release RTO on two out of three platforms. A simultaneous release is the only way to keep everyone happy.

No, this makes just those happy which would be last otherwise, 2 loose instead of 1 and the 1 happy doesn't even get it earlier than before.

If RTO came out do u think he would have said "this is the only way to make most people happy" ?

[spiderfarmer]

I've put my main game on hold so that I can do the new dlc before I do the archdemon.  Yes, I want the dlc, hence the reason that I bought points when it was announced.

But that said; I'd rather have *good* dlc, that works with my system, that has met both the quality standards of Bioware and the certification standards, than have some tossed off bit o' code that doesn't work.

QQ'ing about it being late isn't going to do any good, you're just clogging up the tubes of the interweb.  Don't you realize you're taking up space that other people could be using to look at pictures of bunnies with pancakes on their heads? 

[II Enix II]

spiderfarmer wrote...

I've put my main game on hold so that I can do the new dlc before I do the archdemon.  Yes, I want the dlc, hence the reason that I bought points when it was announced.

But that said; I'd rather have *good* dlc, that works with my system, that has met both the quality standards of Bioware and the certification standards, than have some tossed off bit o' code that doesn't work.

QQ'ing about it being late isn't going to do any good, you're just clogging up the tubes of the interweb.  Don't you realize you're taking up space that other people could be using to look at pictures of bunnies with pancakes on their heads? 

My God, my expectations of awesome have been smashed... bunnies with pancakes on their heads = win.

[BraveFrankie]

My guess for the release date for RtO dlc is going to be next week. That's my guess though.

Modifié par BraveFrankie, 08 janvier 2010 - 07:36 .

[What a Twist]

BraveFrankie wrote...

My guess for the release date for RtO dlc is going to be next week. That's my guess though.

***No need for the insulting image***

Modifié par Eurypterid, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:04 .

[WarlordThor]

I believe my point from earlier about the moderators engaging in activities they should not be, instead of using the tools at their disposal has been shown here yet again. While legitimate discussion is in between, like the fact that torrents may be up of the dlc and that no information whatsoever is being provided to the community, most of the discussion has degraded. It has become a spawning ground for people who think they are better, telling others to stop whining and taking up space, which is in itself whining and taking up space, and then the person they attacked coming back at them.

The thread likely should have been locked by now. Moderators who have been posting however, have been too busy dragging themselves down into this place and getting entirely defensive. I understand, you like that bioware gave you some power on the internet. It doesn't mean you need to personally call out everyone's opinion that bioware is less than perfect and try to prove how wrong it is. It is one thing to correct people on facts. It is another to act like they have no right to an opinion based upon facts.

And yes before the flaming begins, I was whining in this post about whiners. I understand that completely. I think it's everyone's right to whine and vent some steam sometime. I just think the people who complain about others complaints, don't even realize they are doing the same thing. I try to avoid doing it, but this has really gotten out of hand.

Also there is no need to inform me where to take my complaints. I know, and they will be brought there. But I believe the discussion as a whole is warranted in general in this topic for others to consider.

Modifié par WarlordThor, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:24 .

[EricXIII]

WarlordThor wrote...

I believe my point from earlier about the moderators engaging in activities they should not be, instead of using the tools at their disposal has been shown here yet again. While legitimate discussion is in between, like the fact that torrents may be up of the dlc and that no information whatsoever is being provided to the community, most of the discussion has degraded. It has become a spawning ground for people who think they are better, telling others to stop whining and taking up space, which is in itself whining and taking up space, and then the person they attacked coming back at them.

The thread likely should have been locked by now. Moderators who have been posting however, have been too busy dragging themselves down into this place and getting entirely defensive. I understand, you like that bioware gave you some power on the internet. It doesn't mean you need to personally call out everyone's opinion that bioware is less than perfect and try to prove how wrong it is. It is one thing to correct people on facts. It is another to act like they have no right to an opinion based upon facts.

And yes before the flaming begins, I was whining in this post about whiners. I understand that completely. I think it's everyone's right to whine and vent some steam sometime. I just think the people who complain about others complaints, don't even realize they are doing the same thing. I try to avoid doing it, but this has really gotten out of hand.

I dont believe that locking the thread would help bioware and the customers,warning and banning the spammers trollers? yes,but locking the thread will prevent the community from discussing and stating their own opinion about the matter,IMO the last thing that biowares want now is making their customers more angry that they already are.By the way "whining" is the wrong word to describe this.

Modifié par EricXIII, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:27 .

[WarlordThor]

EricXIII wrote...


I dont believe that locking the thread would help bioware and the customers,warning and banning the spammers trollers? yes,but locking the thread will prevent the community from discussing and stating their own opinion about the matter,IMO the last thing that biowares want now is making their customers more angry that they already are.By the way "whining" is the wrong word to describe this.

Well my problem with this thread is it has lost focus and never had the best focus. Another thread that was more clearly focused on the reaction to the delay has beenn closed, citing that another thread already existed on the topic. I assume this thread was the one, but I have no idea.

I believe this just continues to show the bad manneuvers of bioware in this matter.

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

That's just my two cents.

[EricXIII]

WarlordThor wrote...

EricXIII wrote...


I dont believe that locking the thread would help bioware and the customers,warning and banning the spammers trollers? yes,but locking the thread will prevent the community from discussing and stating their own opinion about the matter,IMO the last thing that biowares want now is making their customers more angry that they already are.By the way "whining" is the wrong word to describe this.

Well my problem with this thread is it has lost focus and never had the best focus. Another thread that was more clearly focused on the reaction to the delay has beenn closed, citing that another thread already existed on the topic. I assume this thread was the one, but I have no idea.

I believe this just continues to show the bad manneuvers of bioware in this matter.

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

That's just my two cents.

as long we can state our opinion in the matter i dont care if they lock this thread and make another and sticky it

[WarlordThor]

EricXIII wrote...

as long we can state our opinion in the matter i dont care if they lock this thread and make another and sticky it

I whole heartedly agree. It just seems that right now, discussion is trying to be squelched by locking the main topic and locking any other topic it would seem regarding the matter.

This topic has a lot of spam, but then also two or three different topics worthy of discussion. Sadly I have a feeling if any of these were made into threads of their own, they would immediately be locked.

There either needs to be a clear cut place for the discussion to take place and Bioware to respond, or there needs to be more allowance for topics on the matter to be made so we can voice our opinion in a more structured way. I feel there's a lot of good material in this thread, but it buried within 46 pages of a lot of arguing and spam.

[MacMurphy]

whoops

Modifié par MacMurphy, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:45 .

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

How does this thread keep on going? 46 pages, no knew news on rto, what else is there to talk about?

[knight5923]

I hope that this thread doesn't get shut down, cause as of right now, it's basically the official thread for RtO. Other threads on the subject are being shut down, and the posters are being pointed this way.

I wouldn't mind if it were allowed to stagnate if people have little else relevant to say, but I hope it remains open so that Dev's have a place to post on the subject.

Modifié par knight5923, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:48 .

[EricXIII]

MacMurphy wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

BraveFrankie wrote...

My guess for the release date for RtO dlc is going to be next week. That's my guess though.

I actually think that deserves a...

theanteheroes.com/Humor/MassFacepalm.jpg

very funny...immature people like you with your childish comments got the sticky locked

Modifié par Eurypterid, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:05 .

[addiction21]

WarlordThor wrote...

Also there is no need to inform me where to take my complaints. I know, and they will be brought there. But I believe the discussion as a whole is warranted in general in this topic for others to consider.

Okay so do it and stop adding fuel to the fire you would like to extinguish. I have no idea why you think rambling on about this again will do anything but derail the thread further then it has allready gone. 

[TheGreenLion]

WarlordThor wrote...

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

I don't think you understand the sheer amount of spam that took place on that thread. A Mod could check out another topic for less than 5 minutes and when they came back, there'd be at LEAST 200 more posts added all about nonsense and while they spent another 5 minutes deleting posts, there would be an obligatory 200 more posts already. They'd lose that battle handily...it was sheer chaotic craziness and hardly any of it was about RtO. They made the right decision to close it, we COULD NOT follow the rules and allowed ourselves to become out of control. I don't believe the mods could have kept up with us seeing as they oversee the forums as a whole and nobody was really interested in listening to them. Just read Stanley's post right before it was locked.

I'm not sure they want to go through that whole mess again seeing as we have fairly civil and on-topic RtO thread right here. Let's keep it that way shall we?

[MacMurphy]

EricXIII - If you took a second to think before your knee-jerk reaction you would have noticed that i deleted that post.
By qouting it you posted it yourself.
Very clever.

Modifié par MacMurphy, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:57 .

[EricXIII]

MacMurphy wrote...

EricXIII - If you took a second to think before your knee-jerk reaction you would have noticed that i deleted that post.
By qouting it you posted it yourself.
Very clever.

deleting it or not,your still an immature person anyway let not get off topic again

Modifié par EricXIII, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:59 .

[WarlordThor]

TheGreenLion wrote...

I don't think you understand the sheer amount of spam that took place on that thread. A Mod could check out another topic for less than 5 minutes and when they came back, there'd be at LEAST 200 more posts added all about nonsense and while they spent another 5 minutes deleting posts, there would be an obligatory 200 more posts already. They'd lose that battle handily...it was sheer chaotic craziness and hardly any of it was about RtO. They made the right decision to close it, we COULD NOT follow the rules and allowed ourselves to become out of control. I don't believe the mods could have kept up with us seeing as they oversee the forums as a whole and nobody was really interested in listening to them. Just read Stanley's post right before it was locked.

I'm not sure they want to go through that whole mess again seeing as we have fairly civil and on-topic RtO thread right here. Let's keep it that way shall we?

We didn't follow the rules? I did not break any rules. Thus I still have a right to an opinion don't I? I'm sure many peopel who wannt to discuss this issue never broke the rules.

Moderators can start doing their jobs. I get tired quickly of the argument "it's too much work". It is what you either are paid to do, or volunteered to do. Therefore, don't complain, just do it. Having said that, start temporarily banning those who break real rules. Stop punishing people for having opinions that don't praise Bioware. It would seem we are not allowed to be upset, as if that is breaking a forum rule. I realize some cannot discuss their opinions respectfully and many just want to cause trouble. So they should be dealt with, instead of punishing everyone.

When you treat your community like a 5th grade classroom, you start losing a lot of respect. Granted many people may need to be treated in such a way, but the rest of us do not.

[Eurypterid]

WarlordThor wrote...

I believe my point from earlier about the moderators engaging in activities they should not be, instead of using the tools at their disposal has been shown here yet again. While legitimate discussion is in between, like the fact that torrents may be up of the dlc and that no information whatsoever is being provided to the community, most of the discussion has degraded. It has become a spawning ground for people who think they are better, telling others to stop whining and taking up space, which is in itself whining and taking up space, and then the person they attacked coming back at them.

The thread likely should have been locked by now. Moderators who have been posting however, have been too busy dragging themselves down into this place and getting entirely defensive.

I can only assume this is pointed at me, since I was the one posting most recently. I'll ask you this: how is it I'm busy 'dragging myself down' when I'm engaging in a discussion with another forum member? I didn't flame him, didn't call him names, and didn't insult him. I merely pointed out that just because the devs and mods haven't asked him for a link to the torrent or proof, as he put it, is no reason to conclude the devs are ignoring the issue or 'telling us they are so we shut up'.

I understand, you like that bioware gave you some power on the internet. It doesn't mean you need to personally call out everyone's opinion that bioware is less than perfect and try to prove how wrong it is. It is one thing to correct people on facts. It is another to act like they have no right to an opinion based upon facts.

They have every right to an opinion. I've no issue with anyone that points out BioWare is less than perfect. What I have issue with is taking those facts and interpreting them to mean that BioWare is possibly lying to us (the quote is "In other words, are they actually investigating it, or telling us they are so we shut up?")

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

As for closing this thread and opening another (as someone suggested), I think it's been patently demonstrated that things will go sideways no matter what. But it does seem to get back on track, in this thread at least. We do like to give some leeway here, as people want to have somewhere to be able to post their concerns and yes even vent some frustration.

Again though, if you have issues with any of us moderators, please do take it to Victor Wachter or Chris Priestly. They'll certainly let us know if they feel we've stepped over the line.

[WarlordThor]

Eurypterid wrote...

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

Also to add, those who control this board need to realize a simple fact of human nature. Sometimes people just want to be heard and vent. Sometimes people even know they are likely wrong and exaggerating, but they want to get it out. To jump on them and try to show them they are wrong for this gives a very poor image. Any other forum I have posted in understandns this and moderators would never engage in such things. Again I am all for correcting people on facts and giving them the proper information, if it is necessary. But to call into question their opinions whenever they oppose Bioware, when most moderators have no more info than these people it would seem, strikes me as irresponsible. Both parties are then discussing the unknown. The difference is, the moderator is posting from a position of power and trying to state that their version of the unknown result is right and more likely than the negatively minded one.

Modifié par WarlordThor, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:17 .

[addiction21]

WarlordThor wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

You would really like to see this thread locked wouldnt you?