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[Midnight Voyager]

addiction21 wrote...

WarlordThor wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

You would really like to see this thread locked wouldnt you?

He does seem pretty insistent on it!

Apparently, moderators are not allowed opinions that agree with how Bioware/whatever is handling the current situation. If they disagreed loudly, that'd be fine. Also, not sharing HIS opinion and speaking against HIS opinion = brownnosing.

Good to know!

So, I think Mabari are cool, eh, kick lots of butt and doesn't afraid of anything.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

addiction21 wrote...

WarlordThor wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

You would really like to see this thread locked wouldnt you?

Locked for what stating an opinion? when did that become illegal.

Modifié par Solostran85, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:25 .

[knight5923]

WarlordThor wrote...

I would have copied down what you had written in that quote, but that'd mean I'd have to see it again, which I'd rather not. I've been going through these forums for a while now, and have yet to see a moderator acting in any way that could possibly be deemed inappropriate. As far as Eurypterid posting after you, he/she has a right to their opinion, as well as the right to defend themself against unfounded and pointless accusations. If you think moderators are so terrible, would you please make your own thread about, and stop polluting this one with off-topic remarks

Modifié par knight5923, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:25 .

[darkshadow136]

WarlordThor wrote...

EricXIII wrote...


I dont believe that locking the thread would help bioware and the customers,warning and banning the spammers trollers? yes,but locking the thread will prevent the community from discussing and stating their own opinion about the matter,IMO the last thing that biowares want now is making their customers more angry that they already are.By the way "whining" is the wrong word to describe this.

Well my problem with this thread is it has lost focus and never had the best focus. Another thread that was more clearly focused on the reaction to the delay has beenn closed, citing that another thread already existed on the topic. I assume this thread was the one, but I have no idea.

I believe this just continues to show the bad manneuvers of bioware in this matter.

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

That's just my two cents.

You will never get perfect focus in a discussion when dealing with Human behavior, and indiviuality. We all have hit different levels of understanding, logic, emotional maturity, and self personality. You want a group focus talk to a linked computer network. Also I have no problem with mods or devs adding to the discussion or showing some control over it as long as they do it with respect , logic, and reason which I think they have done a fair job of under the circumstances.

Plus this subject that you brought up was dead till you brought it up again so does that make you a whiner, perhaps. I guess that depends on an individual's point of view. No one likes trolls but you will finds them on any forum the best way to deal with them is act as if they don't exist, and eventually they will go away or get banned one of the two. The only thing I will say though is that under the circumstances of the two failed releases of this DLC , and the fact that many people bought points for this in atticipation that it would be released on JAN. 5th. The DEV's should have given us the cutomers a better explanation as to why it got delayed other than the blanket PR statement they keep repeating.

If Sony pressured them to hold off on release till they could be all launched at the same time say so. If it is a major flaw, bug, and so on that they somehow missed in earlier testing say so. They will find people will respect honesty and forthrightness more than politcal correctness, and plausable deniability.

Modifié par darkshadow136, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:29 .

[MacMurphy]

EricXIII wrote...

MacMurphy wrote...

EricXIII - If you took a second to think before your knee-jerk reaction you would have noticed that i deleted that post.
By qouting it you posted it yourself.
Very clever.

deleting it or not,your still an immature person anyway let not get off topic again

Do not insult me.

[addiction21]

Solostran85 wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

WarlordThor wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

I'm not sure why you think we moderators shouldn't be allowed to get into discussions as well. We're volunteers and aside from the moderator powers, we're just community members like anyone else.

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

You would really like to see this thread locked wouldnt you?

Locked for what stating an opinion? when did that become illegal.

Nope for doing the exact thing he has been railing against since yesterday.  Blatently this thread was informed by a BW dev that THIS IS NOT the place to be calling out mods and that if you have a problem with them to go to a select few people that will handle it. That is why they are there. This is not "whine about how you do not agree with how the mods work" thread.

All we can do at this point is hope that we get the DLC in a speedy manner and attacking mods or bioware for whatever reason will not help that happen and if its continued in here it will get locked. Not because you have a opnion but because we've been warned this is not the place to share that particular set of opnions and told where to take it. The worst thing is warlord is entirely self aware of what he should of done but continues to carry on in here.

(Hey BioWare is the long rumored waffle hut coming in this DLC?)

[WarlordThor]

knight5923 wrote...

I would have copied down what you had written in that quote, but that'd mean I'd have to see it again, which I'd rather not. I've been going through these forums for a while now, and have yet to see a moderator acting in any way that could possibly be deemed inappropriate. As far as Eurypterid posting after you, he/she has a right to their opinion, as well as the right to defend themself against unfounded and pointless accusations. If you think moderators are so terrible, would you please make your own thread about, and stop polluting this one with off-topic remarks

My remarks were on topic and discussing the fact that many relevant issues have been pressed into this thread, while others are locked, annd the negative opinions in this thread are undermined from positions of power. My remarks did not call out any moderator specifically and I was not the one to make it personal. But I guess having an opion can be hard around here.

[Hollywoodsilk08]

If any of you knew what it took to get a simple service pack out for a software company, you might have a little patience. Obviously marketing was ahead of programming and testing. Or it could be some fine print on a contract, Or since the employees had worked for a year straight, the government forced them to take a week off. There are so many variables and I'm sure the higher-ups at BioWare will try to not make the mistake again and upset their fans. We all love the game which is why we take time to write on Forums. Some of your posts make it sound like they are taking an expansion pack out of your real life. For those that don't have a real life yet, try and find one soon that has meaning. 

Bioware employees, I appreciate all you do and for giving us this great game. I am also excited about ME2. Just a final thought, maybe they took some team members of to the Mass Effect team to ensure it got out on time. Stranger things have happened.

[MacMurphy]

Why don't we all just chill out?

[Stanley Woo]

Indeed, why don't we all chill out?

[addiction21]

MacMurphy wrote...

Why don't we all just chill out?

We should all go have a beer together. If it works for the president of the U.S.A. I think it could work for us lowly peons.

Edit: I do believe this thread just rolled a 20 to dodge the Woo Hammer...

Modifié par addiction21, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:43 .

[Eurypterid]

WarlordThor wrote...

Yet point proven. As soon as an issue comes up that is not fully in praise of Bioware or how the current situation is being handled, there must be a blatant attempt to undermine it. I'm sorry if I am the only one who sees how defensive and suspicious that looks. I refer to many moderators I have seen in many posts when I make the general comments I do. This response to my opinion only serves to strengthen my point.

When you are posting your opinion under the flag of an organization or position of power, there are responsibilities attached to that. I am not sorry for having an opinion and, in my opinion, most of the postings by moderators are simply run of the mill defence of Bioware and brown nosing. That may be very wrong, and I hope it will be considered and looked into, but never before have I seen a board where such actions occur. I am all for moderators being real people and engaging in discussion. I am not for them trying to act as opinion police, picking apart every negative opinion they can find.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. While I agree that there are responsibilities attached to the position of power, I don't agree that it requires we stifle our opinion. And I certainly don't think I'm the 'opinion police' or 'picking apart any negative opinon they can find'.  Again, people can have an opinion. That's fine. If people think BioWare dropped the ball on the release of RtO, that's fine. I agree. Hell, Chris Priestly agrees.

But when that opinion turns to an insinuation that the devs are lying, I feel justified in pointing out that's not a fair shake. If you think  that's unprofessional, then so be it.

Also to add, those who control this board need to realize a simple fact of human nature. Sometimes people just want to be heard and vent. Sometimes people even know they are likely wrong and exaggerating, but they want to get it out.

And that's why this thread is open and not locked.

To jump on them and try to show them they are wrong for this gives a very poor image. Any other forum I have posted in understandns this and moderators would never engage in such things. Again I am all for correcting people on facts and giving them the proper information, if it is necessary. But to call into question their opinions whenever they oppose Bioware, when most moderators have no more info than these people it would seem, strikes me as irresponsible. Both parties are then discussing the unknown. The difference is, the moderator is posting from a position of power and trying to state that their version of the unknown result is right and more likely than the negatively minded one.

In point of fact, I don't have any more info on this than any other forum member. But I'm not calling into question people's opinions unless they're contravened by the facts or by dev statements. Case in point: many people are of the opinion that Sony pressured BioWare into delaying the release. But Fernando Melo has stated this is not the case. Reference page 3 of This Interview. Specifically this part:

IGN: Origins has been supported by a large amount of DLC from
launch. The most recent of which, Return to Ostagar, has been delayed
until the end of January at the earliest. Is there any explanation as
to why the delay occurred? Is it solely to release the DLC for all
three platforms at the same time, or was there another issue?




Fernando Melo:No, it has nothing to do with platforms
themselves. It's a quality issue where, literally, at the last minute,
we spotted something that had made it through our own testing, EA's
testing and was at Microsoft already. But it applies to all three
platforms; it wasn't something specific to Microsoft, we just happened
to catch it there first. We probably could have gone with it, but it's
something that was serious enough that we felt it impacted the quality
[of the DLC] and we made the choice to delay it to give our fans the
best experience with it. That was the reason behind [the delay] -- we
want to make sure that we don't cut any corners when we do the DLC.
There's already a lot of content out, there's a lot more coming -- we
just announced the expansion pack, and there's more coming after that.
I think the worst thing we could do after that is do anything "to
poison the well," to use the expression, or put fans off from feeling
that they're getting the best content from us. It's a long term
decision instead of a short term decision.

I make no apologies for correcting someone's opinion in cases such as this.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[Eragondragonrider]

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC and people's opinion of what happened, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen. I will start, I think finding the King's body and maybe Duncan's might be a more emotional moment then the ending of the game. Anyone else think this way?

Modifié par Eragondragonrider, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:48 .

[Sloth Of Doom]

addiction21 wrote...

MacMurphy wrote...

Why don't we all just chill out?

We should all go have a beer together. If it works for the president of the U.S.A. I think it could work for us lowly peons.

Edit: I do believe this thread just rolled a 20 to dodge the Woo Hammer...

We might as well go for a soda, nobody hurts and nobod dies.  Also, It is better than slander and better than lies.

[darkshadow136]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen. I will start, I think finding the King's body and maybe Duncan's might be a more emotional moment then the ending of the game. Anyone else think this way?

Yep I'm more interested in the story of RTO the armor and weapons unless they add new textures other than what's already available in the toolset I don't care about. Finding out what happened to Duncan, finding the kings body, and getting some closure to that battle is what intrigues me to play it.

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen. I will start, I think finding the King's body and maybe Duncan's might be a more emotional moment then the ending of the game. Anyone else think this way?

Yeah!!! I'm going to find the frozen body of a decaying king and then find the frozen body of my dead and decaying mentor fun!!!

Modifié par Solostran85, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:52 .

[Nifell]

Don't understand why your all getting excited. iv'e personally put the game back in the case and have already forgotten about it mostly. a shame, was a good game, but until they patch it, i cant do what i want with it. oh well, on to boarderlands.

[EricXIII]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC and people's opinion of what happened, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen.

Simple enough,that would be off-topic

Modifié par EricXIII, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:50 .

[knight5923]

I'm looking forward to walking into the landsmeet with Alistair wearing the kings golden armor. gonna be sweet

[Eragondragonrider]

EricXIII wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC and people's opinion of what happened, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen.

Simple enough,that would be off-topic

I guess if you mean discussioning what we think will be good about the DLC and not the negative thoughts of other people it would be off-topic but as far as this thread is concerned it is completely on topic, just the other side of the spectrum for where the current discussion is at.

[knight5923]

I'm looking forward to walking into the landsmeet with Alistair wearing the kings golden armor. gonna be sweet
edit: sorry for the double quote. How to I delete this thing?

Modifié par knight5923, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:55 .

[EricXIII]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC and people's opinion of what happened, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen.

Simple enough,that would be off-topic

I guess if you mean discussioning what we think will be good about the DLC and not the negative thoughts of other people it would be off-topic but as far as this thread is concerned it is completely on topic, just the other side of the spectrum for where the current discussion is at.

I created this thread because Chris priestly changed his status to "chris priestly bears the weight of both bad and good news" so i would like to you to explain what that has anything to do with your wish list of RtO DLC?

[Sloth Of Doom]

knight5923 wrote...

I'm looking forward to walking into the landsmeet with Alistair wearing the kings golden armor. gonna be sweet
edit: sorry for the double quote. How to I delete this thing?

In thier wisdom the people who designed ths forums decided that deleting your own posts would be silly.

[addiction21]

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So instead of us discussing the bad things about the RTO DLC and people's opinion of what happened, why don't we discuss the good thing we think are going to happen. I will start, I think finding the King's body and maybe Duncan's might be a more emotional moment then the ending of the game. Anyone else think this way?

I am hoping I can forge the kings armor into a +3 waffle iron of tastiness...   and maybe darkspawn duncan to kick in the jibblies for laying this whole damn mess on mine and a big babies shoulders

EricXIII wrote...


I created this thread because Chris priestly changed his status to "chris priestly bears the weight of both bad and good news" so i would like to you to explain what that has anything to do with your wish list of RtO DLC?

Maybe the good news part?

Modifié par addiction21, 08 janvier 2010 - 09:58 .

[addiction21]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

MacMurphy wrote...

Why don't we all just chill out?

We should all go have a beer together. If it works for the president of the U.S.A. I think it could work for us lowly peons.

Edit: I do believe this thread just rolled a 20 to dodge the Woo Hammer...

We might as well go for a soda, nobody hurts and nobod dies.  Also, It is better than slander and better than lies.

I dunno what your getting at sloth. Who is going to get hurt or die? (the slander and lies thing about the presidents beer fest or whatever the media called it?)