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[casedawgz]

darkshadow136 wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

i have more a month to replay battle of ostagar but as i recall morrigan wasnt there,either way i also looking forward for the dialogs that i gonna have with my companions,especially with alistair

As far as companions that were there at Ostagar Wynne, Alistar, and the Dog. Morrigan was in the wilds at that time and Flemeth was the one that rescued your character and Alistar.

If you killed the dog you're despicable and don't deserve another one. I did that ONCE, just to see what would happen, and I was deeply disturbed by it.

[darkshadow136]

Ascending-Gambit wrote...

Dahelia, are you stupid by chance?
First off, baking food is no were near as hard as programming a game that can be sold. Don't even pretend you can compare. Art may be hard to make it good, but it's a one time deal, you don't got to constantly add to the finished work and make sure it fits right.

If you think the customer can do whatever then you are wrong. The only right we have is to pay for the game and it's extras to receive it, or not pay and not receive.

The customer isn't always right.

That argument was so long ago. Just leave it alone don't rehash it.

[darkshadow136]

casedawgz wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

i have more a month to replay battle of ostagar but as i recall morrigan wasnt there,either way i also looking forward for the dialogs that i gonna have with my companions,especially with alistair

As far as companions that were there at Ostagar Wynne, Alistar, and the Dog. Morrigan was in the wilds at that time and Flemeth was the one that rescued your character and Alistar.

If you killed the dog you're despicable and don't deserve another one. I did that ONCE, just to see what would happen, and I was deeply disturbed by it.

LOL no I kept the dog. I always save the dog or it's my companion because of Noble birth.

[VanDraegon]

squid5580 wrote...
Does that make it right? Does that make it OK? Just because now everything is online and they can fix it later on that these shenagins are acceptable? Why can't everyone work like that? Hey I only need to cook your burger half way. You can use the light at your table to cook it the rest of the way if you like. No wonder this will never change if y'all just willingly bend over with a big smile and take it dry.

lol, drama much? It isnt a moral issue, nor is it an issue of right or wrong. It is an issue of technical complication and human imperfection.

Modern games are far too complicated with so much code it is impossible to account for every concievable issue that might pop up. How can you even think otherwise? You think you could program a game like DA:O and not make a mistake or fail to include something that will lead to a bug? Not a chance.

When playing a game with some bugs makes you sick like eating half cooked food would, then perhaps your asinine analogy would be appropriate. Until then, like i said earlier♠....

Chutes and Ladders.

Modifié par VanDraegon, 09 janvier 2010 - 12:05 .

[Midnitelouie]

Location: BioWare Main Corporate offices...

Date: 01/05/10 6pm

Setting: Main Reception Area



<Receptionist> Sir! They're starting to come in faster than we can repel them!

<Supervisor> Dang it, Charlene...just hold them off...a little bit longer. I'll try to get ahold of the Dev team...



Supervisor grabs a phone...it rings. Twice.



<Programming Manager> Dev Team. "We build it. You mangle it in Marketing..." How can I help you?

<Supervisor> Good god man! We've got hordes...and I mean hordes...of fanbois attacking the main office with their pitchforks and torches...when's that bloody DLC going to be ready?"

<PM> Hmmm. Dunno. You'd have to ask Marketing on that one...we finished it up like...weeks ago. Wasn't that supposed to release today?

<Supervisor> Well, DUH! Thus the ravening hordes that's making that zombie game look like a training simulator....

<PM> Nope. Sorry. Wish I could help you.

...click...

Frantic dialing again...

<Marketing Schmo> Marketing. We sell crap, so you don't have to.

<Supervisor> Where's DA:O RtO?!? I've got forums bursting into flames, the secretary can't hold off the phones much longer, and I think there's some guy in a hoodie outside with a sign reading "Set My DLC Free"... He's gaining alot of support out there...

<MS> The heck is DA:O? Hey! Wait! You're down there with the huddled masses aren't you? Wanna do me a favor and start pumping up the Mass Effect 2 release? Yeah...big campaign. Should make that fantasy thing we rolled out a little while ago look like a shadow. You know these gamers... Minds like a lemming... Just have to get the horde started.

<In the Background> <Receptionist> Sir! Fanbois! There's millions of them!

<Supervisor> Hang in there, Charlene! Just. Hang. On.

<MS> But...you could check with Q&A. Think they found something with that Dragon Action or whatever you're talking about.

...Third frantic dialing...

<Automated Message> Hi! This is Bob from Q&A. We don't have a fancy slogan, and it doesn't matter anyway, seeing as how we're rather entranced by the physics models for that new Mass Effect 2 game. Holy crud, you should see the boo...er...models in this game. Spectacular. But leave your name at the beep, and we'll get back to you after a cold shower...maybe two, just to be safe...

<beeeeeeeeeeeep>



<Supervisor> My God. We're cut off...

<Receptionist> Whadda we do, sir?

<Supervisor> Pray, Charlene....pray....

[darkshadow136]

One thing I'm looking forward to with RTO is finally being able to enter the main army camp. That was one thing I always hated about doing Ostagar in the main campaign no matter what you did you could never enter the main army camp at anytime.

[Thoron Draugohtar]

darkshadow136 wrote...

One thing I'm looking forward to with RTO is finally being able to enter the main army camp. That was one thing I always hated about doing Ostagar in the main campaign no matter what you did you could never enter the main army camp at anytime.

Good point. Maybe when they created Ostagar they intended to make a return to that place.

You never know, maybe there are survivors hiding in the tents?

[What a Twist]

jojojordmeister wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...

One thing I'm looking forward to with RTO is finally being able to enter the main army camp. That was one thing I always hated about doing Ostagar in the main campaign no matter what you did you could never enter the main army camp at anytime.

Good point. Maybe when they created Ostagar they intended to make a return to that place.

You never know, maybe there are survivors hiding in the tents?

Survivorsicles

[darkshadow136]

What a Twist wrote...

jojojordmeister wrote...

darkshadow136 wrote...

One thing I'm looking forward to with RTO is finally being able to enter the main army camp. That was one thing I always hated about doing Ostagar in the main campaign no matter what you did you could never enter the main army camp at anytime.

Good point. Maybe when they created Ostagar they intended to make a return to that place.

You never know, maybe there are survivors hiding in the tents?

Survivorsicles

No Darkspawncicles how many licks does it take to get to the survivor inside. The Darkspawn may never know. !!!

K that sounds gross after I read it but it is Darkspawn and Ostagar we are talking about, and I had to use the nostalgic tootsie pop refrence. lol:lol:

[Wintersembrace]

hay any one know if this delay with rto will add more to the cost of it

[Eurypterid]

hotedge wrote...

hay any one know if this delay with rto will add more to the cost of it

There's nothing been said on it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since the devs had said they were going to lower the price and then decided not to later on.

[darkshadow136]

hotedge wrote...

hay any one know if this delay with rto will add more to the cost of it

I doubt that they will increase the cost for a delay that is their own fault. Simple economics if they increase the cost  when people are already mad about the misteps they made in setting 2 seperate target launch dates and failing to deliver they will loose more customers that would have bought it. If they keep the price the same they may have lost some people that would have bought it but a good share of customers will still purchase it. If they lower the price a bit they stand a chance of getting back  some of the people that otherwise would not purchase it do to the anger they felt about this whole thing.

In the end they will probably just keep the DLC the same price since $5 is less than the price of going to the movies and you get to replay it,

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

So I was just thinking yesterday when I was playing. Im pretty far like right before the landsmeet. This is like the 3rd time Ive restarted my human noble and I really dont want to have to do it all over again just because I hate doing the Orzammar main quest and finally finished every mission. Soooo, does anyone know if you can go back to Ostagar anytime after Lothering or am I going to have to restart my charecter again just to play the DLC.

[Eurypterid]

I believe it will be accessible at any time after Lothering.

[TheGreenLion]

I think you'd still be able to before the Landsmeet, I forget if you get a chance to wander about during it....I thought so.

[What a Twist]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

So I was just thinking yesterday when I was playing. Im pretty far like right before the landsmeet. This is like the 3rd time Ive restarted my human noble and I really dont want to have to do it all over again just because I hate doing the Orzammar main quest and finally finished every mission. Soooo, does anyone know if you can go back to Ostagar anytime after Lothering or am I going to have to restart my charecter again just to play the DLC.

yes you can

[MaxxBeav]

First, I have played a few strategy games that were released before they should have been – Empire Total War comes to mind.



I would rather the good folks at BioWare take their time and get it right. Most of you would never put in the kind of hours that game designers spend making these kinds of games. You know they are working hard – it’s like minus 30 in Edmonton, I’ve been to Edmonton many times – there’s not a whole lot to do this time of year…pretty much work or go to the mall.

[darkshadow136]

as far as I know you can go to flemeths hut but you cant go back to Ostagar after the battle at least not till RTO comes out at least. Even after the Landsmeet though you can go to all the other locations as long as you don't go back to redcliffe. If you go there it starts the last stage of the game. So if you have any quest inside redcliffe village do them before the Landsmeet not after.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

Im also wondering if you RTO first before the landsmeet does it give you more evidence against Loghain? Not that its not hard to get every one to agree with you, well all but the one old guy lol.

[darkshadow136]

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

Im also wondering if you RTO first before the landsmeet does it give you more evidence against Loghain? Not that its not hard to get every one to agree with you, well all but the one old guy lol.

I'm looking forward to that myself I have 6 toons right before the landsmeet just for that reason and others.

[MiSsSmOkEy20]

darkshadow136 wrote...

MiSsSmOkEy20 wrote...

Im also wondering if you RTO first before the landsmeet does it give you more evidence against Loghain? Not that its not hard to get every one to agree with you, well all but the one old guy lol.

I'm looking forward to that myself I have 6 toons right before the landsmeet just for that reason and others.

Yup same here. I wanted to see the dialoge so I saved right before and then beat the game and did a new save so my human noble is all set for both DLC.

[mnlkaj_11]

Bioware will not takje a hit on a 49.95 game, me2 for a DLC

[Foreman20]

It's kind of crazy when you ask a question about RtO back on page 42 and cannot get a mod or a BioWare person to give a definite answer.

[TheGreenLion]

Foreman20 wrote...

It's kind of crazy when you ask a question about RtO back on page 42 and cannot get a mod or a BioWare person to give a definite answer.

Dude, read the page you posted on....we pretty much answered it right up thar.

[alkrantz]

Based on this:



IGN: Origins has been supported by a large amount of DLC from

launch. The most recent of which, Return to Ostagar, has been delayed

until the end of January at the earliest. Is there any explanation as

to why the delay occurred? Is it solely to release the DLC for all

three platforms at the same time, or was there another issue?



Fernando Melo:No, it has nothing to do with platforms

themselves. It's a quality issue where, literally, at the last minute,

we spotted something that had made it through our own testing, EA's

testing and was at Microsoft already. But it applies to all three

platforms; it wasn't something specific to Microsoft, we just happened

to catch it there first. We probably could have gone with it, but it's

something that was serious enough that we felt it impacted the quality

[of the DLC] and we made the choice to delay it to give our fans the

best experience with it. That was the reason behind [the delay] -- we

want to make sure that we don't cut any corners when we do the DLC.

There's already a lot of content out, there's a lot more coming -- we

just announced the expansion pack, and there's more coming after that.

I think the worst thing we could do after that is do anything "to

poison the well," to use the expression, or put fans off from feeling

that they're getting the best content from us. It's a long term

decision instead of a short term decision.



As a software developer myself, IMO, Bioware has three problems:



Problem 1. Quality Assurance. If a game breaking bug can be missed by so many, so close to the release date you need to look at your QA department and overhaul it.



Problem 2. Communication. It would have been so EASY to send an email, or post a locked thread from a community manager at the top of the forum listings that simply said something to the effect of "we apologize for the inconvenience, we have experienced technical difficulties, we are doing what we can and hope to have it out as soon as possible at the best possible quality for the best possible gaming experience... etc etc."



Problem 3. And this is the one that amazes me most. Why in the HELL would you ever post a release date to begin with. Watch how Blizzard does it guys. It's ready when its ready. That SHOULD be the de-facto developers motto.



Good rule of thumb: ANYTIME you set a customers expectations and then do not live up to those expectations it is a failure for your company will have a negative impact. Is it the end of the world? Well, it really depends on how often you do it. But eventually, yes, it will be the end of your business. Believe it or not, the people who flame forums are also paying customers. In fact they are often your most passionate customer, and they do actually end up taking their money elsewhere when they get fed up enough. The last thing you want is a forum free of flamers, because this will inevitably lead to a company without customers.



Please understand, I love Bioware, I like DA:O, I like the DLC model and think its going to really work well, and frankly I don't really care that its been delayed, nor am I surprised. But after a career of dealing with similar dilemmas I just couldn't help but comment on what I see as pretty blatant incompetence, particularly because. It could have, and should have been avoided.