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[Timurlane]

Eragondragonrider wrote...
Activision was sold to a small company that EA owns, and only reason Activision was bought was because EA wanted Blizzard and had to buy the whole company.

SImply not true, in fact you are so wrong that it's almost comical.  ActivisionBlizzard even sued EA Games because some small EA company basically hijacked "Brutal Legend" from Vivendi.  

The idea that a "small company" could even buy out a massive company like ActivisionBlizzard is just ... silly, you make me feel stupid for even doubting myself for a moment and believing you that somehow EA might have actually gotten ownership over Blizzard.  Thank god in the real world where I live, that has not happened.

Iris562 wrote...

Timurlane wrote...
Anyways, this is offtopic I just took that as a serious slander of Blizzard.  They are still the last real PC game company of substance, and I doubt they will cave in to consolitis for at least another decade (ok, maybe half a decade but Im hoping for a decade).

This made me giggle. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png

Made you giggle because I could have avoided saying "of substance"?  There are no significant PC game companies left, even mighty Valve fell to its knees when it contracted consolitis, and it's games have not recovered (although that didn't stop me from buy L4D2 which was basically just an expansion pack :S).

Modifié par Timurlane, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:51 .

[What a Twist]

Timurlane wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...
Activision was sold to a small company that EA owns, and only reason Activision was bought was because EA wanted Blizzard and had to buy the whole company.

SImply not true, in fact you are so wrong that it's almost comical.  ActivisionBlizzard even sued EA Games because some small EA company basically hijacked "Brutal Legend" from Vivendi.  

The idea that a "small company" could even buy out a massive company like ActivisionBlizzard is just ... silly, you make me feel stupid for even doubting myself for a moment and believing you that somehow EA might have actually gotten ownership over Blizzard.  Thank god in the real world where I live, that has not happened.

I let bioware slide, but if blizzard were consumed by EA, I would drop every blizzard game in a heartbeat without question. No more WoW sub, and i'd never touch a blizzard game again. And thats no joke.

[Iris562]

What a Twist wrote...

Iris562 wrote...

Timurlane wrote...
Anyways, this is offtopic I just took that as a serious slander of Blizzard.  They are still the last real PC game company of substance, and I doubt they will cave in to consolitis for at least another decade (ok, maybe half a decade but Im hoping for a decade).

This made me giggle.

More like they're the last real PC game company.

Blizzard may not have caved to consoles, but they've jiggled so much of their own lore that i'm not even sure any of it could be called lore anymore. xD They used to have Substance, but until D3 comes out, I'm not so sure any more.

[spernus]

Prosercunus wrote...

Blizzard has its faults sure but so does Bioware and when it comes to release dates its better to just say nothing... I think Blizzard's strategy of hyping a game with an unknown release date is brilliant.

I would say their finanacial figures dont lie. Being a long time follower of both developers I can safely say that Blizzard knows how to give you that tingle of excitment when they announce a game or expansion.

I am of course talking from a business standpoint... I have no real preference either way.

Now that's just silly.

Bioware can't imitate Blizzard and the contrary is true as well.

Why? It's all about the people in place at each company,so you can't properly teach someone how to write(look at the sad state of storytelling or characterization in videogames ) or how to be a marketing genius(you have it or you don't).Bioware was more or less constructed around their writers while Blizzard is built around their business gurus and game designers.

[Iris562]

Timurlane wrote...


Made you giggle because I could have avoided saying "of substance"?  There are no significant PC game companies left, even mighty Valve fell to its knees when it contracted consolitis, and it's games have not recovered (although that didn't stop me from buy L4D2 which was basically just an expansion pack :S).

Yeah, as I said above. I do agree that Blizzard has stood strong in that sense, I just don't respect them for caving to every little whim their community demands of them, they could have been so much more.

[What a Twist]

Iris562 wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Iris562 wrote...

Timurlane wrote...
Anyways, this is offtopic I just took that as a serious slander of Blizzard.  They are still the last real PC game company of substance, and I doubt they will cave in to consolitis for at least another decade (ok, maybe half a decade but Im hoping for a decade).

This made me giggle.

More like they're the last real PC game company.

Blizzard may not have caved to consoles, but they've jiggled so much of their own lore that i'm not even sure any of it could be called lore anymore. xD They used to have Substance, but until D3 comes out, I'm not so sure any more.

If you're refering to WoW, anything after WC3 is new lore... So its instantly truthful to their lore. Its like making a new kind of car, then saying they ruined that style of car.

[Eragondragonrider]

What a Twist wrote...

Timurlane wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...
Activision was sold to a small company that EA owns, and only reason Activision was bought was because EA wanted Blizzard and had to buy the whole company.

SImply not true, in fact you are so wrong that it's almost comical.  ActivisionBlizzard even sued EA Games because some small EA company basically hijacked "Brutal Legend" from Vivendi.  

The idea that a "small company" could even buy out a massive company like ActivisionBlizzard is just ... silly, you make me feel stupid for even doubting myself for a moment and believing you that somehow EA might have actually gotten ownership over Blizzard.  Thank god in the real world where I live, that has not happened.

I let bioware slide, but if blizzard were consumed by EA, I would drop every blizzard game in a heartbeat without question. No more WoW sub, and i'd never touch a blizzard game again. And thats no joke.

I apoligize for assuming that EA bought out Blizzard, I had my facts wrong. It was a war between EA and Activision to buy Blizzard. I just assumed EA bought Activision to own Blizzard, because EA own a ton of other companies.

[Eragondragonrider]

Timurlane wrote...
SImply not true, in fact you are so wrong that it's almost comical.  ActivisionBlizzard even sued EA Games because some small EA company basically hijacked "Brutal Legend" from Vivendi.  

The idea that a "small company" could even buy out a massive company like ActivisionBlizzard is just ... silly, you make me feel stupid for even doubting myself for a moment and believing you that somehow EA might have actually gotten ownership over Blizzard.  Thank god in the real world where I live, that has not happened.

I apologize I had my facts wrong EA and Activision had a buying war of Blizzard. I just assumed that EA won because they have a ton of other companies in there portfolie and it was a different company MMO company that EA bought recently.

[Tula Tsunami]

Apophis2412 wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

I just checked chris priestly profile and he changed his status 2 hours ago to:


" Chris Priestly bears the weigh of both bad and good news"
IMO the bad news is that return to ostagar will take about a month to be released and the good news will be that the RtO will be released for all platform at the same time or they fixed some kind of bug

Please don't speculate needlessly about RTO's release date. You'll only insite another flame war.

Indeed, speculation on release dates is useless and unneeded, when its ready, it will be released.

Can anyone say.........Duke Nukem 2 ????

We will all just have to wait, and rants and flames do not make it go quicker.

[Iris562]

Well, I wasn't reffering to WC3 and WoW together; WoW does indeed happen after the events of WC3 after all. What I meant was they keep adding things into the game after saying they won't, just because of a forum topic, and yes you could argue that's just good marketing. The MAIN thing I dislike, is, and I am TOTALLY biased.. In their upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, they're allowing Tauren to be Paladins, Dwarves to be Shamans, and a bunch of other combinations. I never understood how they came to those descisions other than seeing a bunch of people on the forums complaining that said race/class combo did not exist.

[Iris562]

Tula Tsunami wrote...

Apophis2412 wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

I just checked chris priestly profile and he changed his status 2 hours ago to:


" Chris Priestly bears the weigh of both bad and good news"
IMO the bad news is that return to ostagar will take about a month to be released and the good news will be that the RtO will be released for all platform at the same time or they fixed some kind of bug

Please don't speculate needlessly about RTO's release date. You'll only insite another flame war.

Indeed, speculation on release dates is useless and unneeded, when its ready, it will be released.

Can anyone say.........Duke Nukem 2 ????

We will all just have to wait, and rants and flames do not make it go quicker.

Alot has changed in 3 days, which was when he originally posted that; lol.

[What a Twist]

Iris562 wrote...

Well, I wasn't reffering to WC3 and WoW together; WoW does indeed happen after the events of WC3 after all. What I meant was they keep adding things into the game after saying they won't, just because of a forum topic, and yes you could argue that's just good marketing. The MAIN thing I dislike, is, and I am TOTALLY biased.. In their upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, they're allowing Tauren to be Paladins, Dwarves to be Shamans, and a bunch of other combinations. I never understood how they came to those descisions other than seeing a bunch of people on the forums complaining that said race/class combo did not exist.

The reason for that is new things that have come up in the plot. The earthen dwarves in storm peaks for example, they're shamans, so they can teach the Iroforge dwarves.

Just because something wasn't a class before, deosn't mean it can't start becoming one.
All of the new class-race combos are explained in GREAT detail in-game through quests, and they do fit the lore.

As for the changes they said they'd never do, well times change, the market changes, and they have to say alive. If you try to hang onto things like that new MMOs that figure out the proper way of going about implimentation will run you over.

[EricXIII]

It seems like lot of guys want this thread get locked...if you wanna speak about blizzard,activision or ea this is the wrong thread

[Nifell]

Iris562 wrote...

Well, I wasn't reffering to WC3 and WoW together; WoW does indeed happen after the events of WC3 after all. What I meant was they keep adding things into the game after saying they won't, just because of a forum topic, and yes you could argue that's just good marketing. The MAIN thing I dislike, is, and I am TOTALLY biased.. In their upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, they're allowing Tauren to be Paladins, Dwarves to be Shamans, and a bunch of other combinations. I never understood how they came to those descisions other than seeing a bunch of people on the forums complaining that said race/class combo did not exist.

funny, if i were to create a world, i would have the say-so of what was allowed in said world, not the fans ^^

[EricXIII]

WoW fanboys,can you take this discussion elsewhere? we were discussing about Return to ostagar here

Modifié par EricXIII, 09 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .

[Iris562]

EricXIII wrote...

WoW fanboys,can you take this discussion elsewhere? we were discussing about Return to ostagar here

Blah blah, spoilsport!

But yes, back on topic; I'm still very excited to play this DLC. I think it was delayed on purpose! To get the tension all built up and whatnot.

[What a Twist]

Iris562 wrote...

EricXIII wrote...

WoW fanboys,can you take this discussion elsewhere? we were discussing about Return to ostagar here

Blah blah, spoilsport!

But yes, back on topic; I'm still very excited to play this DLC. I think it was delayed on purpose! To get the tension all built up and whatnot.

-Insert speculation on release date here-

-Insert speculation on Bioware conspiracy here-

-Insert multi-format conspiracy theory here-

-Insert EA blame here-

-Insert unthruthful cake joke here-

-Insert Argument against conspiracy theories here-

-Insert suggestion to get back on topic here-


/thread

Modifié par What a Twist, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:19 .

[apples44]

I think it's just a very sudden and unexpected thing to happen, for whatever reason, and that the reaction would be far less extreme had it come maybe a week or two before the release and not the day before. Though I'm happier Bioware is choosing to maybe improve the quality of the DLC instead of releasing it for $5 and having everyone hate it and complain.



Though why not just say that to begin with? I realize it's sort of an embarrassing thing for a company like Bioware to have to admit but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say honesty is better then just the same old corporate PR rhetoric we always hear. You guys turn out some of the best games I have ever played and I think you're entitled to a few blunders from time to time!

[Old.Man.Papa]

haha

[TastyLaksa]

WarlordThor wrote...

EricXIII wrote...


I dont believe that locking the thread would help bioware and the customers,warning and banning the spammers trollers? yes,but locking the thread will prevent the community from discussing and stating their own opinion about the matter,IMO the last thing that biowares want now is making their customers more angry that they already are.By the way "whining" is the wrong word to describe this.

Well my problem with this thread is it has lost focus and never had the best focus. Another thread that was more clearly focused on the reaction to the delay has beenn closed, citing that another thread already existed on the topic. I assume this thread was the one, but I have no idea.

I believe this just continues to show the bad manneuvers of bioware in this matter.

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

That's just my two cents.

Bioware has too many moderators and fanboys in it's defense team for your two cents to mean anything frankly.

[TastyLaksa]

TheGreenLion wrote...

WarlordThor wrote...

What should be done is, since the original thread was locked, and if new threads will be locked except one, that Bioware should create a new thread for discussion and sticky it. Moderators can then do their job deleting posts in that thread that are spam or trolling, and keep it on track without brinnging themselves into the problem fo derailing the thread.

I don't think you understand the sheer amount of spam that took place on that thread. A Mod could check out another topic for less than 5 minutes and when they came back, there'd be at LEAST 200 more posts added all about nonsense and while they spent another 5 minutes deleting posts, there would be an obligatory 200 more posts already. They'd lose that battle handily...it was sheer chaotic craziness and hardly any of it was about RtO. They made the right decision to close it, we COULD NOT follow the rules and allowed ourselves to become out of control. I don't believe the mods could have kept up with us seeing as they oversee the forums as a whole and nobody was really interested in listening to them. Just read Stanley's post right before it was locked.

I'm not sure they want to go through that whole mess again seeing as we have fairly civil and on-topic RtO thread right here. Let's keep it that way shall we?

I was thinking the root of the problem was Bioware's inability to follow their own announced schedules no?

[TastyLaksa]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Indeed, why don't we all chill out?

Maybe cause too much chilling out causes dropping of balls when it comes to release dates?

[TastyLaksa]

Ascending-Gambit wrote...

Dahelia, are you stupid by chance?
First off, baking food is no were near as hard as programming a game that can be sold. Don't even pretend you can compare. Art may be hard to make it good, but it's a one time deal, you don't got to constantly add to the finished work and make sure it fits right.

If you think the customer can do whatever then you are wrong. The only right we have is to pay for the game and it's extras to receive it, or not pay and not receive.

The customer isn't always right.

The customer isn't always right. Profits arn't always good. Business isn't always welcomed. Jesus isn't always good. I'm out of examples. Oh yah.

DLC's arn't always on time.

[TastyLaksa]

Eurypterid wrote...

hotedge wrote...

hay any one know if this delay with rto will add more to the cost of it

There's nothing been said on it, but I highly doubt it. Especially since the devs had said they were going to lower the price and then decided not to later on.

Just like how they decided to release it on 5th january and changed their mind later. Maybe the problem is the person making the decisions isn't really empowered to decide anything. As the saying goes

Never let your mouth write cheques your ass can't cash

[TastyLaksa]

alkrantz wrote...

Based on this:

IGN: Origins has been supported by a large amount of DLC from
launch. The most recent of which, Return to Ostagar, has been delayed
until the end of January at the earliest. Is there any explanation as
to why the delay occurred? Is it solely to release the DLC for all
three platforms at the same time, or was there another issue?

Fernando Melo:No, it has nothing to do with platforms
themselves. It's a quality issue where, literally, at the last minute,
we spotted something that had made it through our own testing, EA's
testing and was at Microsoft already. But it applies to all three
platforms; it wasn't something specific to Microsoft, we just happened
to catch it there first. We probably could have gone with it, but it's
something that was serious enough that we felt it impacted the quality
[of the DLC] and we made the choice to delay it to give our fans the
best experience with it. That was the reason behind [the delay] -- we
want to make sure that we don't cut any corners when we do the DLC.
There's already a lot of content out, there's a lot more coming -- we
just announced the expansion pack, and there's more coming after that.
I think the worst thing we could do after that is do anything "to
poison the well," to use the expression, or put fans off from feeling
that they're getting the best content from us. It's a long term
decision instead of a short term decision.

As a software developer myself, IMO, Bioware has three problems:

Problem 1. Quality Assurance. If a game breaking bug can be missed by so many, so close to the release date you need to look at your QA department and overhaul it.

Problem 2. Communication. It would have been so EASY to send an email, or post a locked thread from a community manager at the top of the forum listings that simply said something to the effect of "we apologize for the inconvenience, we have experienced technical difficulties, we are doing what we can and hope to have it out as soon as possible at the best possible quality for the best possible gaming experience... etc etc."

Problem 3. And this is the one that amazes me most. Why in the HELL would you ever post a release date to begin with. Watch how Blizzard does it guys. It's ready when its ready. That SHOULD be the de-facto developers motto.

Good rule of thumb: ANYTIME you set a customers expectations and then do not live up to those expectations it is a failure for your company will have a negative impact. Is it the end of the world? Well, it really depends on how often you do it. But eventually, yes, it will be the end of your business. Believe it or not, the people who flame forums are also paying customers. In fact they are often your most passionate customer, and they do actually end up taking their money elsewhere when they get fed up enough. The last thing you want is a forum free of flamers, because this will inevitably lead to a company without customers.

Please understand, I love Bioware, I like DA:O, I like the DLC model and think its going to really work well, and frankly I don't really care that its been delayed, nor am I surprised. But after a career of dealing with similar dilemmas I just couldn't help but comment on what I see as pretty blatant incompetence, particularly because. It could have, and should have been avoided.

Bioware approval -10