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[Few87]

David Gaider wrote...

Few87 wrote...
Oh it is defo worth waiting for but delays seem to have become standard over the last couple of years. No games release date has any credibility anymore, wether it be bioware or not.

Couple of years? Every game I've worked on has had its release pushed back to one degree or another, and it's always met with understandable dismay. The same is true for just about every development house out there, and that's for a lot longer than a couple of years. I think the only time you're going to encounter a game that's released on time the first time it's promised is when you're dealing with a game that hasn't communicated its intention to release until very late... but does that happen? Fact is, both the media and the fans are always clamoring to know, as far in advance as they can, when they can expect their favorite title to come out. It's a catch-22, unfortunately, because while keeping news of your game close to your chest might prevent disappointment it would also result in the same accusations of secrecy and prevent a company from building up excitement over the game to begin with.

And that's just a reality of the business. I feel for you guys, but this is nothing new.

I can understand that, Im going to just go back to my defensive mode and blame everything on consoles! :happy:

[alkrantz]

knight5923 wrote...

byne wrote...
The thing is, we understand delays, but you havent given us a real reason for why it was delayed. Just some vague thing about delivering a better quality product. If the problem wasnt discovered until hours before the release, it couldnt have been THAT big if it wasnt noticed until so late.

Here's the point. Bioware is a huge company. They wouldn't do something of this nature without giving it due thought and process. The problem was obviously big enough that they felt it warranted to pull the product, and risk damaging their reputation and consumer base. I think if they've judged it to be a problem large enough to detract from the overall quality of the content, one worthy of delaying the release, we should stand behind their decision, as it will be a better game for it.

And by being such a large company they should have realized a long time ago that announcing ANY release date will potentially lead to needless customer frustration that is completely unnecessary and avoidable.

[jennamarae]

byne wrote...

I think the main reason this delay upset people so much is because it was only announced a few hours before the stated release date. Usually when games are delayed you'll hear about it like a month before.

This and that "this holiday season" was the originally announced release and that came and went with nothing as well. After the first delay people were a bit upset because they had been looking forward to it. The delay hours before the second stated release date was just the figurative straw that broke the camels back for many.

[addiction21]

VanDraegon wrote...

byne wrote...
The thing is, we understand delays, but you havent given us a real reason for why it was delayed. Just some vague thing about delivering a better quality product. If the problem wasnt discovered until hours before the release, it couldnt have been THAT big if it wasnt noticed until so late.

They did, you just decided it wasnt good enough. They are not reqiured to lay out specifics to a bunch of forumites.

I agree. They are not required to give any information. They did not have to even say "it was a quaility issue"  Just because we gave them money does not mean we entered into some iron clad contract that gives us rights to know everything we ask to know.
We should be gratefull for the level of interaction we get from these guys. Something that is not common at all. Its just the "I WANT MORE" syndrome that plagues humankind.
Also no one preordered the DLC you could not preorder the DLC. If you bought points that was the transaction. Done is done. Your points will still be there to use to get the DLC. If that upsets you then the lesson to be learned is not to part with your money untill it is a guqrantee that you will receive your product at the same time.

[JaguarJerison]

While I'm not happy the DLC was delayed, am I the only one who remembers having to way 6-9 months or even longer for an expansion for your favorite game just to get new content? And not have it sprinkled in every month, or close to it. Hell, look at Neverwinter Nights 2, for a recent example of the "old" way of doing things. I'll gladly wait another few weeks for more, than a few months for everything to be bunched up at once.

Modifié par JaguarJerison, 09 janvier 2010 - 06:47 .

[tmelange]

David Gaider wrote...
Couple of years? Every game I've worked on has had its release pushed back to one degree or another, and it's always met with understandable dismay.

I think video games need to be more expensive, so dev houses can hire more team members and games can be released faster. lol Gaming as an entertainment vehicle has such a high upside potential, but the development pipeline needs some tightening up, IMHO. The timeframe for the development of a game needs to be brought under eighteen months. I could be on my deathbed one day and my sole regret would be that I only had the option to play 5 Bioware games in my entire life. lol I would think back and wish I had paid $150 to ensure that I'd get to play JE2. 

[jennamarae]

JaguarJerison wrote...

While I'm not happy the DLC was delayed, am I the only one who remembers having to way 6-9 months or even longer for an expansion for your favorite game just to get new content?

Nope, I remember that too. The difference is that after that 6-9 months it wasn't delayed twice, it was released.

[JaguarJerison]

When was this delayed twice,  "This Holiday Season" includes New Years after all.

Modifié par JaguarJerison, 09 janvier 2010 - 06:53 .

[jennamarae]

Chris repeatedly said Christmas when talking about the release, January 5th is not part of "this holiday season", and yes there were two delays.

[byne]

jennamarae wrote...

Chris repeatedly said Christmas when talking about the release, January 5th is not part of "this holiday season", and yes there were two delays.

To be fair, I looked it up, and Wikipedia says the winter holiday season is defined as Dec 1 - Jan 7

[JaguarJerison]

Fair enough, but two delays that equate to about 4 weeks, for something you were never promised in the first place, this isn't a major loss.

[addiction21]

byne wrote...

jennamarae wrote...

Chris repeatedly said Christmas when talking about the release, January 5th is not part of "this holiday season", and yes there were two delays.

To be fair, I looked it up, and Wikipedia says the winter holiday season is defined as Dec 1 - Jan 7

So technically they only missed one date?

[jennamarae]

byne wrote...

To be fair, I looked it up, and Wikipedia says the winter holiday season is defined as Dec 1 - Jan 7

According to the U.S. Fire Administration perhaps, not so much with everyone else.

[Lux]

I'm more looking forward to Awakening than one hour of gameplay... which not everyone would be able to acquire.

Modifié par Merkar, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[JaguarJerison]

Let me ask this then, what have we lost, as gamers, because of this delay?

[jennamarae]

Faith in Bioware's ability to set accurate release dates, and when forced to miss those release dates provide timely updates on the matter? Timely meaning more than a few hours before release day and/or after the time frame has already passed. Other than that? Not much, though I have saved some money.

[JaguarJerison]

No one sets accurate release dates, even more so in games than anything else. And they gave an update, they said "It won't be released, we'll tell you more when we can". You expect information they can't give, or don't have, that is your fault, not theirs. You can't point fingers in a business world, without pissing someone off, so taking the blame yourself, is sometimes the only way to keep a partner happy.



Release dates are always fluid, those tied to digital distribution doubly so when you look at all the tech that has to work together to make everything happen. If you can't understand any of this, then there is no reason to even bother with appeasing you, and the best course is the one Bioware has taken, let you all rant and rave, and keep working.

[TM13h]

Old news.

Modifié par TM13h, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:38 .

[addiction21]

JaguarJerison wrote...

 You expect information they can't give, or don't have, that is your fault, not theirs.

This. People are acting like they had days before the actual delay to release information to us. BioWare (as far as I know) does not employ mind readers or people that can see the future. They cannot say on january 2 "oh looks like we are going to miss the release date for RtO so we better inform our customers that in a few days we will need to delay because of a problem that has not risen yet"

Modifié par addiction21, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:31 .

[Tusbat]

I wonder if Bioware will do anything about people in this site using the leaked copy? I just saw some new achievements related to RtO in a someone's persona page.

[Lux]

Tusbat wrote...

I wonder if Bioware will do anything about people in this site using the leaked copy? I just saw some new achievements related to RtO in a someone's persona page.

Oops...

[jumpydady]

Merkar wrote...

Tusbat wrote...

I wonder if Bioware will do anything about people in this site using the leaked copy? I just saw some new achievements related to RtO in a someone's persona page.

Oops...

MUHAHAHA you will be banned from bioware forever and there will be fbi or cia knokingv you door preety soon and then and then you will root in jail forever you criminal pirate or should it be pirate criminal?

Modifié par jumpydady, 09 janvier 2010 - 07:47 .

[jennamarae]

Hey if you believe that they didn't know they weren't getting it out during the holiday season until after it was over and that they didn't know they weren't getting it out for January 5th until hours before it, more power to you. I envy your ability to just believe what you're told since it must make everything much simpler. My critical thinking skills on the other hand make it impossible for me to believe either of those things. Not ranting and raving about it, I just know a line of bovine fecal matter when I see it.

[Broken1477]

Addictione21...when I was younger, I was in some of the most urban parts of Atlanta. Did you know that there are family owned restaurants there that serve fried chicken and waffles on the same plate?