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[phordicus]

for the record, none of this really has anything to do with BW. they had extra bug-hunting time after xmas to release it by the 5th. no, whatever it is has to do with EA and distribution agreements. i promise you, BW peeps love us and if it had anything to do with a mistake on their part, i have no doubt they'd be fessing up and apologizing. the silence is a result of it having nothing to do with them, a statement they aren't allowed to hint at, either.

[wikkedjoker]

Okay, my comment is, what is the likely hood that this "bug" would even be that big of a deal? Meaning what are the odds that it would have been encountered? IF it really did pass EA and BioWare testing, and even the PC and SONY, and M$oft allegedly found it, what are the odds that it was that game breaking? They make it sound so much worse that it probably was. People are allegedly playing it now on PC, due to a leak, what that tells me is there was nothing that wrong with it, a bug mind you that may have inconvenienced some people, something mind you that they could have patched later.

I have a hard time believing this is a quality assurance issue and not a hype issue, hyping the game multiple times so people buy points, or in the case of like Microsoft buy point, told its delayed, than spend them on other things and than buy them again.

Its hard for me to believe its a bug that big that everyone, but M$oft missed, because Im gonna be honest they missed, Need for Speed Shift trying to log onto the PSN.

With out the exact specs, and the exact reason why, I mean what did the bug do? Why haven't they told us that much? I mean I would have no problem if I couldn't play it from the epilogue. Hell I don't think it would bother me much if I had to restart the game to play it.

And the game would have been fine had no one caught this bug, hell would have been shipped with this bug if no one caught it, but it was soooooo big, it was missed by EA, Bioware, Sony and the PC guys TWICE and Microsoft once. . . Something smells rotten and I think its King Cailan body in Ostagar.

Modifié par wikkedjoker, 10 janvier 2010 - 06:56 .

[DragonRageGT]

Eurypterid wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I read somewhere that RTO is due out next week.

If you didn't see it announced here by one of the devs, then I'd put no stock in it watsoever.

True... but.... you know... "The Truth is Out There... already!"

[LegionOfDo]

David Gaider wrote...

<snip> I'm not sure what information you're looking for. A long-winded explanation on the exact reasoning behind a business decision isn't going to help you, nor is it particularly appropriate. We've told you what we can, that we're working on it (eagerly) and that you'll get more info on the release as soon as we know more. That's really all we can do.

And speaking of which, I'm going to step back out of this thread before the target on my head becomes too tempting. This isn't an issue I can address anyhow, as DLC is not my province -- I'll leave that to Fernando. Hope you guys enjoy RtO when it comes out. Keep the faith! <snip>

To me there is a world of difference between a "business decision" and a "quality issue".  A company's delay of a particular product for "business reasons" or as part of a broader "business decision" unrelated to the product's development status is not uncommon.  Referring to the delay of a product that has quality issues as a "business decision" is uncommon.  Perhaps there's nothing to it, but this is definitely a creative use of the term.  Perhaps that's also why they've kept so quiet about the actual reason, since any information they give out that isn't a specific reason will be studied for hidden meaning.

[jsachun]

Well I also did read in the first forum about the release of RTO & they did mention that 5th of Jan was an unrealistic deadline & realisitic launch date would be around Mid January. So I'll be looking forward to seeing it soon.

Modifié par jsachun, 10 janvier 2010 - 07:01 .

[wikkedjoker]

LegionOfDo wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I'm not sure what information you're looking for. A long-winded explanation on the exact reasoning behind a business decision isn't going to help you, nor is it particularly appropriate. We've told you what we can, that we're working on it (eagerly) and that you'll get more info on the release as soon as we know more. That's really all we can do.

And speaking of which, I'm going to step back out of this thread before the target on my head becomes too tempting. This isn't an issue I can address anyhow, as DLC is not my province -- I'll leave that to Fernando. Hope you guys enjoy RtO when it comes out. Keep the faith!

To me there is a world of difference between a "business decision" and a "quality issue".  A company's delay of a particular product for "business reasons" or as part of a broader "business decision" unrelated to the product's development status is not uncommon.  Referring to the delay of a product that has quality issues as a "business decision" is uncommon.  Perhaps there's nothing to it, but this is definitely a creative use of the term.  Perhaps that's also why they've kept so quiet about the actual reason, since any information they give out that isn't a specific reason will be studied for hidden meaning.

No your right, its almost like a double entendre.

[What a Twist]

Eurypterid wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I read somewhere that RTO is due out next week.

If you didn't see it announced here by one of the devs, then I'd put no stock in it watsoever.

Because the Dev announcements have been SOOO accurate, right?

Modifié par What a Twist, 10 janvier 2010 - 07:35 .

[Torias]

What a Twist wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I read somewhere that RTO is due out next week.

If you didn't see it announced here by one of the devs, then I'd put no stock in it watsoever.

Because the Dev announcements have been SOOO accurate, right?

Because if it's hard for Devs to get it right, how on earth is anyone else going to have a chance of being anywhere near accurate?

[darkshadow136]

Torias wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I read somewhere that RTO is due out next week.

If you didn't see it announced here by one of the devs, then I'd put no stock in it watsoever.

Because the Dev announcements have been SOOO accurate, right?

Because if it's hard for Devs to get it right, how on earth is anyone else going to have a chance of being anywhere near accurate?

Yep like I said before I will believe it's available when I see it in my downloadable content list not before.

[MassEffect762]

After digging for info over at gamefaq I'm starting to think it's not a bug but rather lack of "luster". I don't think that individual was lying.



I'll still pick it up no doubt.

[Cybercat999]

I am sure not going to give any more of my money to this company, too many unanswered speculations and ban-hammers going on around to feel something is NOT fishy about it all.

There are other gaming companies with very different attitude toward customers.

[Torias]

Cybercat999 wrote...

I am sure not going to give any more of my money to this company, too many unanswered speculations and ban-hammers going on around to feel something is NOT fishy about it all.
There are other gaming companies with very different attitude toward customers.

You can read what Bioware has had to say in these links:
http://social.biowar...dex/541856&lf=8

http://social.biowar...dex/555531&lf=8

http://social.biowar...dex/576445&lf=8


No one has been banned for discussing Return to Ostagar.

Modifié par Torias, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:00 .

[Cybercat999]

RTO was supposed to be released at 5th. So I assume by 5th the majority of that as I heard 1 hour content should have been finished.

5 days later we didnt get much info on what exact bug/issue was it that caused delay and what exactly has been done to solve it. I cant believe it takes longer than 5 days to come up with some answers about such small content, even if it had to be made all over again I am sure customers would appreciate being told about it.

[Torias]

Cybercat999 wrote...

RTO was supposed to be released at 5th. So I assume by 5th the majority of that as I heard 1 hour content should have been finished.
5 days later we didnt get much info on what exact bug/issue was it that caused delay and what exactly has been done to solve it. I cant believe it takes longer than 5 days to come up with some answers about such small content, even if it had to be made all over again I am sure customers would appreciate being told about it.

Please read the links I provided, I would much prefer Bioware's words to speak for themselves in this regard.

Part of public relations is choosing how much to tell people.

Bioware know exactly what is going on (they can't predict the future, but they know the present).

As much as we might want to know the reasoning and details behind this decision, they've made the decision that they're not going to tell us that.

I am not going to speculate on the reasoning for that, but it is up to them to decide how open or closed they want each aspect of their development, production and distribution processes to be.

But as I said, I'm just badly repeating what Bioware have said. Please, read the posts in these links:
http://social.biowar...dex/541856&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/555531&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/576445&lf=8

If you're still upset after reading what Bioware have actually said, that's you're right. But it's worth actually reading what they have said.

[Uberdubie]

phordicus wrote...

for the record, none of this really has anything to do with BW. they had extra bug-hunting time after xmas to release it by the 5th. no, whatever it is has to do with EA and distribution agreements. i promise you, BW peeps love us and if it had anything to do with a mistake on their part, i have no doubt they'd be fessing up and apologizing. the silence is a result of it having nothing to do with them, a statement they aren't allowed to hint at, either.

Quoted for truth.  Ultimately it's still speculation, but I've watched both of these companies for quite a long time now.  More conspiracy surrounds EA than just about any company out there, as do constant disappointments in their products across the board.  I can't count how many times I've seen EA overstep their bounds causing mass-outrage among their gamers/customers (not to mention other game developers they've worked with), yet they always get away with it, never taking resposibility for anything  publicly because of how powerful they've become. 

On the other hand, I've always seen Bioware as good people, and a reliable company.  The situation is pretty obvious if you ask me.  And if this is truly the case, I can't imagine how frustrating it is for Bioware that they're going to take the flack for this.  Not only that, but they're losing numbers in sales as we speak because it's already out there to pirate.  As much as I hope this isn't the case, it's the only outcome that makes any sense.

Modifié par Uberdubie, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:41 .

[WarlordThor]

Torias wrote...

What a Twist wrote...

Eurypterid wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I read somewhere that RTO is due out next week.

If you didn't see it announced here by one of the devs, then I'd put no stock in it watsoever.

Because the Dev announcements have been SOOO accurate, right?

Because if it's hard for Devs to get it right, how on earth is anyone else going to have a chance of being anywhere near accurate?

Torias wrote...

You can read what Bioware has had to say in these links:
http://social.biowar...dex/541856&lf=8

http://social.biowar...dex/555531&lf=8

http://social.biowar...dex/576445&lf=8


No one has been banned for discussing Return to Ostagar.

No
we just have mods personally responding and calling people out
trying to undermine their opinions, yet again. Your community highly appreciates it I am sure. I can't keep up with the
pm's to Victor Wachter because it is happening every few pages. Unless
people are breaking the rules, there is no need to continously try to
prove people wrong on opinions. I believe it is right to correct them on the facts of people being banned. But the first comment is one of many continually made by mdos and bioware staff personally calling out community members and trying to undermine them. It really just looks childish of this company and the volunteers it accepts to moderate.

Having said this, I am sickened enough to simply not care anymore so congratulations. I will wait away from thsi forum for RtO to release so I don't have to see such behavior continue and send pm's every half a day because no one is listening and improving their act.

[Torias]

WarlordThor wrote...
No we just have mods personally responding and calling people out trying to undermine their opinions, yet again.

I think you misunderstand what a moderator is.

The moderators are community members that spent a lot of time in the Bioware community, discussing various topics.

Because we spent so long here, Bioware asked us if we could keep an eye on things when we stop by, help them keep things running smoothly and make sure everyone is having fun.

That is a secondary function, something that we do on the side while we visit these forums for our own enjoyment.

[Cybercat999]

Torias wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

RTO was supposed to be released at 5th. So I assume by 5th the majority of that as I heard 1 hour content should have been finished.
5 days later we didnt get much info on what exact bug/issue was it that caused delay and what exactly has been done to solve it. I cant believe it takes longer than 5 days to come up with some answers about such small content, even if it had to be made all over again I am sure customers would appreciate being told about it.

Please read the links I provided, I would much prefer Bioware's words to speak for themselves in this regard.

Part of public relations is choosing how much to tell people.

Bioware know exactly what is going on (they can't predict the future, but they know the present).

As much as we might want to know the reasoning and details behind this decision, they've made the decision that they're not going to tell us that.

I am not going to speculate on the reasoning for that, but it is up to them to decide how open or closed they want each aspect of their development, production and distribution processes to be.

But as I said, I'm just badly repeating what Bioware have said. Please, read the posts in these links:
http://social.biowar...dex/541856&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/555531&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/576445&lf=8

If you're still upset after reading what Bioware have actually said, that's you're right. But it's worth actually reading what they have said.

I am sorry but info provided in that thread is much too lacking. Even without *any* information we would all know there was some issue since the date of release was delayed. Telling us there was "an issue" is not enough.

PR can choose how much to tell people, thats their right, yes. They have to bear consequences from what they choose to tell too, in this case majority of customers thinking they are not told all they could have been and that something important is kept in dark. If PR decides to tell us nothing, that is their right, just as our right is to look out for another company with less secretive PR.

I am sure BW knows what is going on, but if they decide not to tell that to their customers, how can you call me out for my decision that BW is not the company I would trust my money with? Or maybe I dont have right to say that publicly or their forum? If so I would appreciate to have at least that much info so to know to definitely move on.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:37 .

[Torias]

Cybercat999 wrote...

I am sure BW knows what is going on, but if they decide not to tell that to their customers, how can you call me out for my decision that BW is not the company I would trust my money with? Or maybe I dont have right to say that publicly or their forum? If so I would appreciate to have at least that much info so to know to definitely move on.

If you want to choose what games to buy based on how much / how little the Bioware / EA pr arm discloses about the internal development, production and distribution issues, well, that's certainly your right.

All I would say is that Bioware develops computer games.

You can wait until they release a game and then read reviews from sources that you trust. If your trusted sources give it a good review, consider buying the game.

Modifié par Torias, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .

[darkshadow136]

Torias wrote...

WarlordThor wrote...
No we just have mods personally responding and calling people out trying to undermine their opinions, yet again.

I think you misunderstand what a moderator is.

The moderators are community members that spent a lot of time in the Bioware community, discussing various topics.

Because we spent so long here, Bioware asked us if we could keep an eye on things when we stop by, help them keep things running smoothly and make sure everyone is having fun.

That is a secondary function, something that we do on the side while we visit these forums for our own enjoyment.

Moderators are allowed to have opinions also as long as they don't penalize community members for having different opinions along the same lines of the discussion. Which I can't say I've really seen any real abuse of that power. The PR statements Torias has pointed out many of us have read at least a half dozen times, and lack any real explaination of the issue that caused the delay.

If it is lack luster quality thing then so be it they made a mistake of setting the date for the 5th thinking they could make it better in that short of time. Who knows for sure only they do. Myself I've moved on to other games, and I'm sure Bioware knows that most including myself will buy this RTO DLC at some point when it is released, and that some that would have bought it may not and they will feel the pinch from that. I'm sure they have that all figured into their bottom line when they decided to delay again.

So in closing even though I was also one that was also mad about this 2nd delay of the DLC. If it was a serious issue of quality and they delayed it to make it better my hat is off to you Bioware for taking the heat in spite of it. If you delayed due to pressure from Sony to release all platforms at once shame on you for getting our hopes up for Jan. 5th. lol:)

Modifié par darkshadow136, 10 janvier 2010 - 08:48 .

[Cybercat999]

Torias wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

I am sure BW knows what is going on, but if they decide not to tell that to their customers, how can you call me out for my decision that BW is not the company I would trust my money with? Or maybe I dont have right to say that publicly or their forum? If so I would appreciate to have at least that much info so to know to definitely move on.

If you want to choose what games to buy based on how much / how little the Bioware / EA pr arm discloses about the internal development, production and distribution issues, well, that's certainly your right.

All I would say is that Bioware develops computer games.

You can wait until they release a game and then read reviews from sources that you trust. If your trusted sources give it a good review, consider buying the game.

That certainly is one of the important factors that decide who I buy my games from.
And yes, thanks, I will do exactly that, wait for the release and check the reviews first. Its not a huge amount of money but I like to get what suits me in the package (including the PR attitude).

[jsachun]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Torias wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

I am sure BW knows what is going on, but if they decide not to tell that to their customers, how can you call me out for my decision that BW is not the company I would trust my money with? Or maybe I dont have right to say that publicly or their forum? If so I would appreciate to have at least that much info so to know to definitely move on.

If you want to choose what games to buy based on how much / how little the Bioware / EA pr arm discloses about the internal development, production and distribution issues, well, that's certainly your right.

All I would say is that Bioware develops computer games.

You can wait until they release a game and then read reviews from sources that you trust. If your trusted sources give it a good review, consider buying the game.

That certainly is one of the important factors that decide who I buy my games from.
And yes, thanks, I will do exactly that, wait for the release and check the reviews first. Its not a huge amount of money but I like to get what suits me in the package (including the PR attitude).

If you love Fantasy RPG you should try Oblivion. Apparently Elder Scroll 5 might be coming out soon. Betheseda is really good with PR, Announcements, & Deadlines. Fallout 3 is one of the best RPG ever.

[What a Twist]

Aren't we getting a bit dramatic over this hour long DLC?...



Sure there's a lack of info on why it got delayed, and I too would like to know. However knowing why wouldn't change the fact that it is delayed. Unless it was for some extremely stupid thing, thus pissing off the community.

[Hagermak]

enchantement?

[wikkedjoker]

Torias wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

RTO was supposed to be released at 5th. So I assume by 5th the majority of that as I heard 1 hour content should have been finished.
5 days later we didnt get much info on what exact bug/issue was it that caused delay and what exactly has been done to solve it. I cant believe it takes longer than 5 days to come up with some answers about such small content, even if it had to be made all over again I am sure customers would appreciate being told about it.

Please read the links I provided, I would much prefer Bioware's words to speak for themselves in this regard.

Part of public relations is choosing how much to tell people.

Bioware know exactly what is going on (they can't predict the future, but they know the present).

As much as we might want to know the reasoning and details behind this decision, they've made the decision that they're not going to tell us that.

I am not going to speculate on the reasoning for that, but it is up to them to decide how open or closed they want each aspect of their development, production and distribution processes to be.

But as I said, I'm just badly repeating what Bioware have said. Please, read the posts in these links:
http://social.biowar...dex/541856&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/555531&lf=8
http://social.biowar...dex/576445&lf=8

If you're still upset after reading what Bioware have actually said, that's you're right. But it's worth actually reading what they have said.

I would full heartedly agree with you if it wasn’t the same copy/paste BS they have been shoveling for a wile now.

But why wont they at least tell us what the bug is? Companies like Bungie have no problem talking about the bugs they find, even to the point about joking about how funny they are.

Its hard to believe that there is a “bug” when there not even telling us what its messing up.

If Bioware come out and said.

“ We have found a bug that makes your Xbox explode.” Well as much as I would want to see that, and would pay good money to see DLC make my Xbox explode, I don’t think the majority of people would agree with me on that.

When gaming companies put out games there never 100% bug free, hell I was just playing DarkSiders and I fell tough the game twice. Halo 3 I know how to get out of most of the maps and levels. So on and so forth, there are always “bugs”.

Now just what does this bug do? I think for people like me who have spent 20 buck to get a MS points card, or others who have spent 5 bucks to get the bioware points. This is a fair question, and one that we have a right to know. It seems odd to me that they don’t just say what the bug does, instead they skip around it, meshing words. It makes me wonder on the legitimacy of said “bug”

And like I said in an earlier post, Bioware’s test team missed it twice. EA’s test team missed it twice, Sony’s test team missed it twice, the PC test team missed it twice, and Microsoft missed it once, but like Gods unto us all on the 11th hour they saved us form this potentially xbox exploding bug, and was able to not only hold off there DLC launch but the PC’s as well.

Why is this so hard for me to believe?

If the bug was that game breaking wouldn’t it have appeared before? And knowing full well the stress test they do, what is the odds that the game will react this way under normal circumstances?

And the lack of information is insulting even further than not at least letting us know what trouble this bug caused, I mean really people understand that type of thing, and would lay off, if they knew just how bad the bug was and what it did. But with out any info on the bug it leads to the speculation that there might not be one, and this is a marketing gimmick, or some inner thing, because they did not want to compete with the games coming out on the 5th.   

The bigger ****** off is the fact that, they waited till the 11th hour to tell us, testing and certification are finished long before the DLC is even ready for launch, point is Bioware knew earlier than the 5th and said nothing, people spent money thinking they where going to get it, and than come the 5th we get a copy/paste PR statement.   
 
We could at the very least be told why our 5-20 bucks aren’t buying us something else. That’s all anyone’s asking for.

And I would also like to know about this leak, the vids I’ve seen the game runs just fine. This seems odd for such a game breaking bug, don’t you think?