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[paul165]

No idea really but GITS was a television series (at least the linked bit was) so I can't imagine the budget per episode was all that amazing. At least not before they knew how well it would sell.

[Rip504]

I will rewatch this sometime today. The Alliance does hold a seat of power on the Citadel. Established throughout ME1-3. I do not recall them stating Aliens were not a part of the Citadel,or did they? Or are people stretching? I did not hear them saying Sovereign was left intact,but I do recall seeing it's image. Maybe just to show the audience what it looked like. Remember that not everyone watching this will be as well informed as others. Hence they need to describe and give a feel of what is going on and has happened. The Alliance's seat on the Council is portrayed as a seat of power. In the games. Sovereign being intact is not. But I can not confirm this as being stated in the film as of this moment.

Also if you are unaware the Sovereign was blown up in ME1,then there is a good chance you are unaware about the Council dismissing the Reapers. Hence no problems,if you know better then realize they are introducing the Audience to the Reapers. As at that point the Reapers are still a myth within the context of the Movie. The Asari states that Liara is her mentor,never does it state Liara is mentoring. They work in the same field,they know each other,she happens to hold Liara in high regard as do a lot of Liara fans. She also state Liara's obsession is ruining her career etc. This is also before the rumors of Shepard not being dead,so it could have very well been the day before Liara got the intelligence on SB,and Shepard. The council also dismisses the Reapers for more reasons then just "oh Sovereign was blown up". Lmao

I will watch this again later to see if I missed something,or if people are just stretching to hate.

[B.Shep]

Wait so it was just some kind of holo of Sovereign? If it's true then i will agree with you.

[DevilBeast]

Paralenko wrote...

I have not seen Paragon lost but its good to see Freddy Prince Jr. voiced Vega in it.
As for the ME movie, I'm looking forward to it. ME is one of the few games that could make a great movie (IMO).

Many games could have been great movies, but unfortunately most movies based upon videogames suck. No matter how great the game itself is.

[Rip504]

B.Shep wrote...

Wait so it was just some kind of holo of Sovereign? If it's true then i will agree with you.

It shows Ships dragging Sovereign away. In a scene that shows and represents what Sovereign looked like. For those who do not know. As obviously the Alliance,Turians and others recovered pieces of Sovereign. It is only an assumption made that the Reaper was Intact. Never directly stated. Obviously if they pulled out a completely intact Reaper,the Reapers would not be a myth right? Well at this point the Reapers are still a myth,and the Asari is recalling the event and stating it was just a ship piloted by a rouge Spectre. Representing what the Ship looked like and that it was recovered. As Sovereign's remains are indeed recovered in the ME games. Hence the Thanixx Cannon. No?

So the Planet next to the Citadel is the only real issue of any consequence. For those who already know a planet is somewhere near the Citadel you can imagine that maybe perhaps the Citadel moves a bit. Or you can just picture space dust,either way the planet scene last for maybe 1 second.

IMO people are stretching to hate.

That is assuming that they did not mean for the Citadel to be a Human only facility that is floating around Earth. Which is obviously not the case,and IMO I do not feel as if that is what the writers were saying. As it is never directly stated in such a way. Or hinted at. A hater stretching the truth,taking things out of context to mean what you want it to. Or perhaps a simple misunderstanding.

-v-Vega is not a N7 Operative at the end of the movie. Only that they want him to put in for the N7 position. He had not accepted. During ME3 they extend the offer to him once more,or he decides to join because of Shepard's influence.

Modifié par Rip504, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[darkchief10]

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

[Pantanplan]

Oh my god, people are actually defending this. I guess it's true then, some people will defend absolutely anything.

[Peranor]

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Wow... Bad analogy is bad.

Wow... Bad post is bad.

Surely you must see how bad that paticular analogy of yours was?

[paul165]

darkchief10 wrote...

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

Seriously? If so um oops that's quite a major continuity issue and one I would have thought that Vega's VA would notice given the whole N7 thing is his arc in ME3.

[VettoRyouzou]

Why am I not shocked that the movie contradicts everything stated before hand. - Remember the ending- Oh right.. cause bioware can't write anymore.

[Zkyire]

anorling wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Wow... Bad analogy is bad.

Wow... Bad post is bad.

Surely you must see how bad that paticular analogy of yours was?

Every single thing I listed was legitimate.

In every single case, none of those things were neccessary. Glasses, hat, scars, all of them purely for aesthetic purposes and served no practical purpose, and were only kept/worn for the fact that those individual characters wanted to keep/wear them.

But yes I'm sure "bad post is bad herpderp"

[Zkyire]

darkchief10 wrote...

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

..seriously? Okay I can't/wont defend that.

[K4im4lino]

Pantanplan wrote...

Oh my god, people are actually defending this. I guess it's true then, some people will defend absolutely anything.

I rewatched Paragon Lost for the third time just to make sure my facts were straight. No where in PL does it ever say that the Citadel is the seat of human power, I repeat no where. it simply shows a tribunal happening on the station rendering judgement on Vega's actions. To assume that the Alliance, Turian Milatary, Asari Milatary,etc would not have any presence on the station is a stretch. I know that CSEC is the police force on the Citadel, but the embassies of each race would be considered an extension of Earth, Palaven, Thessia, etc. if this was not the case it would have been impossible for the Turian Ambassador along with Counselor Anderson and Cahlee Sanders to devise a plan with the Turian Milatary to go after Cerberus. This was from Mass Effect Retribution, for those who are screaming right now "that never happened"

I do feel however that the fully intact Soveriegn should have been handled differently, regardless of whether it was an oversite or just a way to give reference to newcomers of the series. I am all for lore, but place blame where blame is do.

[K4im4lino]

Zkyire wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

..seriously? Okay I can't/wont defend that.

Vega was given orders for the N7 Program, he was not N7. Like most orders for SPEC OPS, they could be declined. If Vega was struggling with his conscience over what happened on Fel Prime he could have respectfully declined those orders. The orders that found Vega on the Normandy in ME3 could have easily have been N7 Brass reaching back out to Vega to find the best possible canidates to replenish their numbers since they lost Arcturis Station and Earth was hit so hard.

But missed dat voice acting! Agreed Sir agreed!!!

[xxskyshadowxx]

Pantanplan wrote...

Scottus4 wrote...

Pantanplan wrote...

Interesting? So Sovereign's corpse being completely intact, the Citadel being in orbit around a fu**ing planet, and being described as the Alliance's SEAT OF POWER are just minor issues?

Yes. Unless they severely screw up the story telling of Vega's mission, they're minor issues.

The Citadel being the Alliance's base and being in orbit around a planet is a serious continuity error. It can't be considered a minor issue.

Ignoring continuity is BioWare's new style (well semi-new). It's all part of their artistic integrity. Soon their ongoing stories will flow...much like a Salvidor Dali painting...they are so close.

[paul165]

K4im4lino wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

..seriously? Okay I can't/wont defend that.

Vega was given orders for the N7 Program, he was not N7. Like most orders for SPEC OPS, they could be declined. If Vega was struggling with his conscience over what happened on Fel Prime he could have respectfully declined those orders. The orders that found Vega on the Normandy in ME3 could have easily have been N7 Brass reaching back out to Vega to find the best possible canidates to replenish their numbers since they lost Arcturis Station and Earth was hit so hard.

But missed dat voice acting! Agreed Sir agreed!!!

Pretty sure that if you decline a post the military doesn't then reoffer it to you ....ever because if you don't think you can do it well who are they to argue? The is also no mention that he declined the posting in ME3 which should have been if this theory was true so nice attempt but no.

Actually having gone and looked at the N7 entry on the source of all knowledge there is no N7 training programme there is only N series training and "7" is effectively a grade on the training. Therefore there is no way in hell this makes any sense in continuity terms.

[paul165]

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Wow... Bad analogy is bad.

Wow... Bad post is bad.

Surely you must see how bad that paticular analogy of yours was?

Every single thing I listed was legitimate.

In every single case, none of those things were neccessary. Glasses, hat, scars, all of them purely for aesthetic purposes and served no practical purpose, and were only kept/worn for the fact that those individual characters wanted to keep/wear them.

But yes I'm sure "bad post is bad herpderp"

Glasses aren't traditionally aesthetic though -they're worn to correct eyesite which in the ME universe would be corrected in utero and certainly would be corrected by the military.

[K4im4lino]

paul165 wrote...

K4im4lino wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

you guys didn't add the fact that vega is an N7 operative at the end of the movie.. I was like what the **** is this ****? also, you seriously couldn't put keith david and lance henriksen for the 5 lines their characters collectively spoke?

..seriously? Okay I can't/wont defend that.

Vega was given orders for the N7 Program, he was not N7. Like most orders for SPEC OPS, they could be declined. If Vega was struggling with his conscience over what happened on Fel Prime he could have respectfully declined those orders. The orders that found Vega on the Normandy in ME3 could have easily have been N7 Brass reaching back out to Vega to find the best possible canidates to replenish their numbers since they lost Arcturis Station and Earth was hit so hard.

But missed dat voice acting! Agreed Sir agreed!!!

Pretty sure that if you decline a post the military doesn't then reoffer it to you ....ever because if you don't think you can do it well who are they to argue? The is also no mention that he declined the posting in ME3 which should have been if this theory was true so nice attempt but no.

Actually having gone and looked at the N7 entry on the source of all knowledge there is no N7 training programme there is only N series training and "7" is effectively a grade on the training. Therefore there is no way in hell this makes any sense in continuity terms.

Actually, Anderson was the first ever accepted canidate for the N7 training program. If you read Mass Effect Revalation, his application is reviewed and accepted by Admiral John Grissom. and the training program is located on Arcturis Station. My theory is exactly what it is a therory. But in times of war strange things happen. Shepard was reinstated to help fight the Reapers. Why? Because he was the best man for the job! I dont think N7 Brass would be hung up on the fact he declined since they took heavy losses. They would be looking for recruits. Perhaps Vega reconsidered his choice since earth just got obliterated. Maybe they were thinking the same thing when they reissued the offer? Again just a theory.

But on a side note, you cant be N7 without training. "Nice try but no" and it is the N7 Training Program. The 7 being the ultimate goal. If i remember correctly, what you are reffering to is that not all N class trained operatives are considered N7 since there are varying degrees.

But if there is no training, I guess that would make it entirely possible for Vega to be an N7 operative at the end of PL.

Modifié par K4im4lino, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[paul165]

They retconned the whole N7 training programme thing along with various other things from ME1 (and therefore Revelations). There is an N series training programme but 7 is a grade from that programme like a distinction in an academic programme.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7

Vega cannot be N7 by the end of PL because he is agonising about accepting N series training in ME3 hence the problem.

[xsdob]

Looks good to me, Ill probably rent it and check it out. The small serrors were expected, given the studio not having experience in the ME verse before and it being a medium jump type project. They are forgivable and forgettable to me and dont seem to pose any truley big problems at all to the story.

Modifié par xsdob, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[K4im4lino]

paul165 wrote...

They retconned the whole N7 training programme thing along with various other things from ME1 (and therefore Revelations). There is an N series training programme but 7 is a grade from that programme like a distinction in an academic programme.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7

Vega cannot be N7 by the end of PL because he is agonising about accepting N series training in ME3 hence the problem.

 
Do you know that for a fact? Please site where you saw it was retconned? But on a whole as far as the N Program  and Vega goes I think we are saying the same thing. But the original gripe if you will look back, is that Vega finished PL with N7 status. Maybe they should have said N class status? Regardless it was an invite and the argument was why he received it then and then agin in ME3.

[paul165]

K4im4lino wrote...

paul165 wrote...

They retconned the whole N7 training programme thing along with various other things from ME1 (and therefore Revelations). There is an N series training programme but 7 is a grade from that programme like a distinction in an academic programme.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/N7

Vega cannot be N7 by the end of PL because he is agonising about accepting N series training in ME3 hence the problem.

 
Do you know that for a fact? Please site where you saw it was retconned? But on a whole as far as the N Program  and Vega goes I think we are saying the same thing. But the original gripe if you will look back, is that Vega finished PL with N7 status. Maybe they should have said N class status? Regardless it was an invite and the argument was why he received it then and then agin in ME3.

I linked the info in the post you quoted and assumed that you stated Revelations correctly (my copy is in storage)....

Sure Vega can finish PL as an N1 but that doesn't appear to be what is stated in PL and given other continuity issues in the thread Occam's Razor suggests they just made (yet) another stupid screw up with regards to lore.

[Peranor]

paul165 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

anorling wrote...

Wow... Bad analogy is bad.

Wow... Bad post is bad.

Surely you must see how bad that paticular analogy of yours was?

Every single thing I listed was legitimate.

In every single case, none of those things were neccessary. Glasses, hat, scars, all of them purely for aesthetic purposes and served no practical purpose, and were only kept/worn for the fact that those individual characters wanted to keep/wear them.

But yes I'm sure "bad post is bad herpderp"

Glasses aren't traditionally aesthetic though -they're worn to correct eyesite which in the ME universe would be corrected in utero and certainly would be corrected by the military.

Yeah. Glasses = worn to correct bad eyesight.
Hat = worn as attire


I think the analogy would have worked better if the marine was wearing sunglasses. Those are worn purely for aesthetics just as often as they are worn for practical use. 

[paul165]

Sunglasses I certainly wouldn't have had a problem with for the reason you stated.

[xsdob]

The glasses are easy to explain. His parents didnt want to have genetic alteration for fear of the long term side effects. We hear parents in the citadel voice a similar concern, maybe his parents just didnt want their kid messed with on a genetic level. Its not like GM's are manditory or that someone choosing not to get a certain treatment is unheard of in the hsitory of mankind.

Modifié par xsdob, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .