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David7204 wrote...

I hope you're prepared to say that every third-party contribution to any franchise in existence has 'no respect for fans,' then. Because small errors of the sort are pretty much inevitable in such things.

Im not saying the movie is bad, as people say its at last decent and i havent seen it. Im talking about quality control, from bioware. 

There isnt that much 3rd party contributions to ME3, really. it cant be so difficult to check it. After Deception... 
sigh. 
They are definitely not small errors. More glaring errors. You can't defend it.

Modifié par Grubas, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:36 .


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Just watched it and I liked the movie. Vega's choice by the ending was brutal . Almost everyone but three(counting him) died. And the scene showing everyone dying was amazing...B)

Lots of complains here are just petty(the movie isn't a new ME:Deception in this regard) but i have to say the thing with Sovereign's body and the N7 logo on Vega's armor by the ending of the movie are a bit problematic indeed.

Also, to add another nail to the coffin: Cerberus was indeed seelling intel on human colonies on the Terminus Systems to the collectors in exchange to information on the collector's itself. At least until Fehl Prime when a collector general decided to cut ties.

I would give the movie a 7.8/10


Did the entire squad Die ? What about the Asari tell me now I must know before I buy this film!!! 
:blush:

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Suprisingly Paragon Lost was quite good. Also kid haunts Vega too. What a twist.

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Dubozz wrote...

 Also kid haunts Vega too. What a twist.


Oh hell; no really? Please tell that my humour filter hasn't woken up yet

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xxprokillazxx wrote...

B.Shep wrote...

Just watched it and I liked the movie. Vega's choice by the ending was brutal . Almost everyone but three(counting him) died. And the scene showing everyone dying was amazing...B)

Lots of complains here are just petty(the movie isn't a new ME:Deception in this regard) but i have to say the thing with Sovereign's body and the N7 logo on Vega's armor by the ending of the movie are a bit problematic indeed.

Also, to add another nail to the coffin: Cerberus was indeed seelling intel on human colonies on the Terminus Systems to the collectors in exchange to information on the collector's itself. At least until Fehl Prime when a collector general decided to cut ties.

I would give the movie a 7.8/10


Did the entire squad Die ? What about the Asari tell me now I must know before I buy this film!!! 
:blush:

Nope. Vega and the sniper guy Milque survived. Ironically he was the pessimist who keep thinking everyone was going to die.Treeya also survived. B)
And that was the brutal decision Vega had to make: Save Treeya who was with the cerberus intel about the collectors or save the colonists.

paul165 wrote...

Dubozz wrote...

 Also kid haunts Vega too. What a twist.


Oh hell; no really? Please tell that my humour filter hasn't woken up yet

In Vega's defense, April was really cute :)

Modifié par B.Shep, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:01 .


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Hey BSN you know something about this film's ending?

It didn't suck

In fact I'm willing to say the ending to this film may be the best one the franchise has ever produced, it was so hard hitting and without a doubt the highlight of the film.

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It was a really emotive scene when the reality of everyone's death hit them.:crying:

Modifié par B.Shep, 18 décembre 2012 - 02:44 .


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2. There is a planet near the Citadel. Bekenstein in ME2. Described by Diana Allers in ME3 as being "Right next door to the Citadel"


Since no one touched on this...

The citadel does not orbit Bekenstein and Allers' statement is not literal. In ME2 you have to leave the Widow system and head to the Boltzmann system to reach Bekenstein, with all that fuel burning FTL travel in between. Allers' statement is similar to someone in Russia saying a person in Philadelphia lives next door to Madison Square Garden.

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Overall, I liked the story but didn't care for the anime style. Worth $9.99 for digital download.

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DP. Posted Image

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If it wasn't for the anime style I might have watched it despite it's other flaws that people have pointed out.

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It was.. okay. I can generally find something to like in most . I hope that the uneven quality of this doesn't negate future offerings, because Mass Effect is deep enough as an IP to do very well in visual media.

Pros:
- A freakin' Mass Effect cartoon. That, in itself, is pretty cool.
- Although I think anime is pretty terrible, the hyper stylized approach to everything anime does actually worked really well with Biotics. Neat stuff.
- Freddy Prinze.  Authenticity! Good actor, badass nerd, great to have him in the role. He did a fine job!
- MAKO
- Laura Bailey. Mmmmm.
- The story was well conceived, and I like the direction it took.



Cons:
- It's anime. That means an abundance of cheese, cringe-worthy banter, and inconsistent animation quality. A lot of the time, the drawings looked a bit poor and the emotional impact of a few scenes was neutered by how stiff and awkward everything looked. Mass Effect has a lot of clean lines, I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?
- Listening to anime dialogue and its complete lack of dramatic pauses or emotion appropriate to the moment, well... it's like trying to chew through a two dollar steak.
- Weird ending. Feels flying all over the place, not sure it really succeeded in evoking the emotions that it was attempting to.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 18 décembre 2012 - 09:09 .


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Brownfinger wrote...

I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?


I'd say about all your anime criticism that you should add "bad" before you say anime. There's good anime, you know. Also -and that is a personal opinion from someone who loves (good) anime and used to like Dragon Age a lot- Dawn of the Seeker was among the ugliest executed examples of one of the least dignified styles of anime.

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TheRealJayDee wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?


I'd say about all your anime criticism that you should add "bad" before you say anime. There's good anime, you know. Also -and that is a personal opinion from someone who loves (good) anime and used to like Dragon Age a lot- Dawn of the Seeker was among the ugliest executed examples of one of the least dignified styles of anime.

Just saying. Posted Image


I acknowledge that there is good anime, of course of course! It's been a very long time since I saw one that I could stomach, so there's that. So so so so so so SO much of it is just mindless, overstylized, emotionally stilted/disproportionate drek. It helps when it's written here and not a dub, but that is helped tremendously by using writers that are intelligent.

That's probably why I found Dawn of the Seeker to be so beautiful, because it was coherent, consistent, with emotions that weren't cheesy or disproportionate to each moment. Ie. not anime.

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Brownfinger wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?


I'd say about all your anime criticism that you should add "bad" before you say anime. There's good anime, you know. Also -and that is a personal opinion from someone who loves (good) anime and used to like Dragon Age a lot- Dawn of the Seeker was among the ugliest executed examples of one of the least dignified styles of anime.

Just saying. Posted Image


I acknowledge that there is good anime, of course of course! It's been a very long time since I saw one that I could stomach, so there's that. So so so so so so SO much of it is just mindless, overstylized, emotionally stilted/disproportionate drek. It helps when it's written here and not a dub, but that is helped tremendously by using writers that are intelligent.

That's probably why I found Dawn of the Seeker to be so beautiful, because it was coherent, consistent, with emotions that weren't cheesy or disproportionate to each moment. Ie. not anime.

You don't think DotS was cheese yet you critizies PL for it. Sorry ,but  DotS was dung and I regularly watch anime.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 décembre 2012 - 01:11 .


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Good movie and nice ending, only worst animation :(

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dreman9999 wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?


I'd say about all your anime criticism that you should add "bad" before you say anime. There's good anime, you know. Also -and that is a personal opinion from someone who loves (good) anime and used to like Dragon Age a lot- Dawn of the Seeker was among the ugliest executed examples of one of the least dignified styles of anime.

Just saying. Posted Image


I acknowledge that there is good anime, of course of course! It's been a very long time since I saw one that I could stomach, so there's that. So so so so so so SO much of it is just mindless, overstylized, emotionally stilted/disproportionate drek. It helps when it's written here and not a dub, but that is helped tremendously by using writers that are intelligent.

That's probably why I found Dawn of the Seeker to be so beautiful, because it was coherent, consistent, with emotions that weren't cheesy or disproportionate to each moment. Ie. not anime.

You don't think DotS was cheese yet you critizies PL for it. Sorry ,but  DotS was dung and I regularly watch anime.


I understand that you think it's ... "dung", and that's why your estimation of it means next to nothing. Your opinion is tainted with bias because you expect hyperstylized SUPAH COOL over the top earth's crust-shattering action, as is typical with most anime. Yawn. Or girls in maid outfits with goddamn enormous eyes voiced by women in their 30's trying to sound like they're eight. It's painful. (Tara Strong being the exception - she's awesome.) You didn't like Dawn of the Seeker because it's not traditional anime, it tells a compelling story and has smooth and even animation throughout. Which is, of course, probably a hell of a lot easier to do with CG than it is with hand drawn animation.
That's why I liked it, because it's not the type of anime that your average pubescent anime fan enjoys. I didn't say that Paragon Lost was cheesy, I enjoyed the story and overall direction. Could have sworn I said that. Oh, wait, I did. I said the banter was awkward and poorly written, and I didn't buy into the emotion in several scenes.

It's not worth overanalyzing, it's a pretty simple disagreement in taste. Some people like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto and stuff that I would deem lacking in anything that could be remotely considered smart or compelling. When I grew up, good writing became important to me. Regardless of the age range that it was intended for. So, when it comes to cartoons, I'm picky.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:00 .


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Brownfinger wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Brownfinger wrote...

I felt like the style that the animation studio offered didn't really serve that style well. The Dragon Age CG movie recently released was jaw-droppingly gorgeous, does Mass Effect deserve no less?


I'd say about all your anime criticism that you should add "bad" before you say anime. There's good anime, you know. Also -and that is a personal opinion from someone who loves (good) anime and used to like Dragon Age a lot- Dawn of the Seeker was among the ugliest executed examples of one of the least dignified styles of anime.

Just saying. Posted Image


I acknowledge that there is good anime, of course of course! It's been a very long time since I saw one that I could stomach, so there's that. So so so so so so SO much of it is just mindless, overstylized, emotionally stilted/disproportionate drek. It helps when it's written here and not a dub, but that is helped tremendously by using writers that are intelligent.

That's probably why I found Dawn of the Seeker to be so beautiful, because it was coherent, consistent, with emotions that weren't cheesy or disproportionate to each moment. Ie. not anime.

You don't think DotS was cheese yet you critizies PL for it. Sorry ,but  DotS was dung and I regularly watch anime.


I understand that you think it's ... "dung", and that's why your estimation of it means next to nothing. Your opinion is tainted with bias because you expect hyperstylized SUPAH COOL over the top earth's crust-shattering action, as is typical with most anime. Yawn. Or girls in maid outfits with goddamn enormous eyes voiced by women in their 30's trying to sound like they're eight. It's painful. (Tara Strong being the exception - she's awesome.) You didn't like Dawn of the Seeker because it's not traditional anime, it tells a compelling story and has smooth and even animation throughout. Which is, of course, probably a hell of a lot easier to do with CG than it is with hand drawn animation.
That's why I liked it, because it's not the type of anime that your average pubescent anime fan enjoys. I didn't say that Paragon Lost was cheesy, I enjoyed the story and overall direction. Could have sworn I said that. Oh, wait, I did. I said the banter was awkward and poorly written, and I didn't buy into the emotion in several scenes.

It's not worth overanalyzing, it's a pretty simple disagreement in taste. Some people like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto and stuff that I would deem lacking in anything that could be remotely considered smart or compelling. When I grew up, good writing became important to me. Regardless of the age range that it was intended for. So, when it comes to cartoons, I'm picky.

Wow. For you to say that and not even know my taste. I'm not even into anime that is over the top earth's crust-shattering action. I value story and character development over mindless action. And I hate fanservice anime(One ofthe reasons why I hate High scholl of the dead).

I'm looking purely at  what DotS . Sorry but it's dung. It not very good plot wise, character wise, or even animation wise.

And If you want to know my taste in quality Anime, look up Fate/zero and Sword art online. Heck, look up When they cry, while you're at it.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:47 .


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Brownfinger wrote...

I understand that you think it's ... "dung", and that's why your estimation of it means next to nothing. Your opinion is tainted with bias because you expect hyperstylized SUPAH COOL over the top earth's crust-shattering action, as is typical with most anime. Yawn. Or girls in maid outfits with goddamn enormous eyes voiced by women in their 30's trying to sound like they're eight. It's painful. (Tara Strong being the exception - she's awesome.) You didn't like Dawn of the Seeker because it's not traditional anime, it tells a compelling story and has smooth and even animation throughout. Which is, of course, probably a hell of a lot easier to do with CG than it is with hand drawn animation.
That's why I liked it, because it's not the type of anime that your average pubescent anime fan enjoys. I didn't say that Paragon Lost was cheesy, I enjoyed the story and overall direction. Could have sworn I said that. Oh, wait, I did. I said the banter was awkward and poorly written, and I didn't buy into the emotion in several scenes.

It's not worth overanalyzing, it's a pretty simple disagreement in taste. Some people like Dragon Ball Z and Naruto and stuff that I would deem lacking in anything that could be remotely considered smart or compelling. When I grew up, good writing became important to me. Regardless of the age range that it was intended for. So, when it comes to cartoons, I'm picky.


Okay, dude, you're really moving this into a direction in which, would this be a discussion we had face to face, I might start to raise my voice just a little bit. Soooo, where to start...? (actually I really need to sleep, so I keep this short)

1) In my post I was only refering to the style and execution of the animation in DotS, which, from all I've seen, is pretty horrible. That is, as I stated, a matter of taste. I do would suspect that both I and dreman (with whom I'm actually agreeing, wtf, that's an unusual feeling) simply have more experience with anime and thus may have the ability to build a more informed opinion, but let's say it's a purely a matter of taste. What you're saying is "you don't like it, therefore you're biased, therfore your opinion is invalid". That's, I'm sorry, pretty damn stupid.

2) You're implying that anime in general is badly written stuff made for pubescent kids who like to see magical schoolgirls and mindless action. That's pretty damn stupid as well. There are lots of different genres and styles in anime, and while I can't judge you for your obvious ignorance about it I'd prefer you not to use condescending generalizations on principle. You know nothing about my or dreman's preferences, and I don't appreciate your implications that we don't value good writing and that we're not picky when it comes to our choice of entertainment.

3) ...no, really, I need to stop this and got the **** to sleep... Urm, final words: please, good sir, stop behaving like a condescending jerk and if you're willng to - educate yourself.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 19 décembre 2012 - 02:32 .


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I can Hackett wrote...

does anyone know the song/artist is in the credits that was a good tune


The Anix - Warning Signs


- The movie had its issues, mainly dubbing, but all in all I loved this movie. Much more respect for James Vega as a character now. 

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I thought it was ok, but too many mistakes for my liking.
Like when on the platform in the Collector ship they talk about getting juiced despite nothing implying anything of the sort with the knowledge they so far attained.
And the Krogan saying he died an honorable death when a Cerberus agent shot him from behind.
You didn't die in battle, you were betrayed and shot in the head without putting up a fight.

And then others already mentioned all the time.
And then the prothean artifact on the collector ship, why the hell does it even have that data on what happened to the
Protheans and showing loads of collector ships, did the Reapers put it there.
And where the hell are all these collector ships and why didn't they help Sovereign when Harbinger and Sovereign were active at the same time.
And why is the collector general on a collector ship.

That girl being used in the Praethorian or whatever it is called is just ridiculous, she was just taken and has  already been used as a weapon.
Too quick of an accessment for me, seems like a way to get forced emotion.

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One thing I will point out again...Sovereign has to be somewhat intact otherwise how did the turians make the Thanix?

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I haven't picked up the play ray yet. Oh when you buy The Movie do you get any DLC with you? I have the movie DD now.

I enjoyed the movie even though I don't like Vega Much and the Animation were weird. Vega isn't a bad character but wished we had Krogan or something still.

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Necroing this thread to point out the collectors' origins being retconned. In ME2 it was established that collectors were the result of a long and gradual process of implantation of tech by the reapers. As indoctrinated protheans' minds decayed, the reapers gradually genetically rewrote them and added tech to compensate. In this film, collectors are simply portrayed as prothean husks which are transformed immediately from captured (non indoctrinated) protheans. Also, the anthropomorphic language of the collectors was ridiculous.

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The only gripe I had with the movie was the location of the Citadel orbiting Earth. Other than that, it's not so bad.