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[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

You mean the mages that Tevinter sent out to do their dirty work are not abominations. Shocking, truly. Most mages in the Circle are not abominations (in part due to the Harrowing). Abominations are still a threat. In fact, that isn't even an argument.

You missed my point. You're using a purely mechanical argument. To use this and then claim that abominations are truly dangerous in lore is hypocritical.

Uh huh. Considering you're perfectly willing to believe the Dalish, I'd say you've already made up your mind and would ignore any evidence that came from outside of Fenris. We know it's been a stalemate for ~300 or so years, and the Qunari haven't been interested in pushing for more.

They're certainly interested in pushing back into Seheron.

Not really.  If you have risen in the dog eat dog world of Tevinter, as confirmed by a half elf student who you sent there, you have stabbed allies in the back, killed other mages for power in the streets, managed to avoid annoying other Magisters who will team up to kill you and you've probably sacrificed slaves for power.  You've probably passed your harrowing.

Now, we know that mages suffer from demons.  Not "Southern" or "White Chantry" mages, just Mages.  Show me evidence that Tevinter mages are immune to becoming abominations if you want to make an argument.

And Abominations are powerful in lore, nothing you say or do will prevent this from being a truth.  Heck, in game, a Sloth abomination sends you and your friends to the Fade, including dwarves and a golem.  A normal mage can't do that.

Oh?  Please explain.

[KainD]

Drakar123 wrote...

Really ?I disagree.I am strongly pro free will.I simply have no issue with treating inferior beings as inferior beings.

Hey, were you on Morinth's side back in ME2? 

[The Hierophant]

Drakar123 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Drakar123 wrote...

Mundanes would also become tranquil.They have a connection to the fade as well.Not that their opinion matters in the slightest.

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You know, you'd make an excellent qunari. Or a prothean.

Really ?I disagree.I am strongly pro free will.I simply have no issue with treating inferior beings as inferior beings.

If they're so inferior then why did mages spend almost a 1000 in quarantine, and why did the Tevinter need their help against the Qunari?

Modifié par The Hierophant, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[KainD]

The Hierophant wrote...

If they're so inferior then why did mages spend almost a 1000 in quarantine, and why did the Tevinter need their help against the Qunari?

Outnumbered. 

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not their destruction, simply their disempowerment.

No. If Anders was the only source we ever had and we never saw a Circle or spoke to anyone from one, then maybe.

Uh huh.  Well, so long as the Dalish are scattered to the four winds, we can recreate the Dales, but only for the City Elves.  Sounds fair to me.

I'll just ignore all of the Senior Enchanters walking around unescorted outside of the Tower then. 

[BlueMagitek]

KainD wrote...

Or you know, you could actually not be an as* to the demons as well and work out legit deals, that don't end up bad. It is possible. 

If I recall correctly, every demon has kept its word in the Dragon Age games.  Desire kept Connor's father alive, and then kept its word with you.  The Pride Demon in the Deep Roads offered to award you if you let him go, and he does.  Demons do make legit deals. :/

[The Elder King]

Drakar123 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...


You know, you'd make an excellent qunari. Or a prothean.

Really ?I disagree.I am strongly pro free will.I simply have no issue with treating inferior beings as inferior beings.

It was a joke. Qunari and the protheans doesn't care much about the opinion of non-qunari and the other species (who they see as inferior until they joined the Prothean).
Regardless, unless you can prove that the mage's brain is more developed than non-mage's brain, I'm not going to agree with you.

[Xilizhra]

Not really. If you have risen in the dog eat dog world of Tevinter, as confirmed by a half elf student who you sent there, you have stabbed allies in the back, killed other mages for power in the streets, managed to avoid annoying other Magisters who will team up to kill you and you've probably sacrificed slaves for power. You've probably passed your harrowing.

Now, we know that mages suffer from demons. Not "Southern" or "White Chantry" mages, just Mages. Show me evidence that Tevinter mages are immune to becoming abominations if you want to make an argument.

Erm. The abomination issue has nothing to do with Tevinter. I was bringing that up as an example of an argument where you've dismissed game mechanics as a factor, whereas you use them as a factor when discussing Danarius' power.

Oh? Please explain.

The qunari and Imperium continually battle for control of Seheron. The qunari hold most of it at the moment, but do need to continuously push back.

I'll just ignore all of the Senior Enchanters walking around unescorted outside of the Tower then.

Most of whom are Aequitarians, who voted to leave the Chantry. They clearly thought it was worth pursuing. Even Wynne turned on the templars.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[Drakar123]

KainD wrote...

Drakar123 wrote...

Really ?I disagree.I am strongly pro free will.I simply have no issue with treating inferior beings as inferior beings.

Hey, were you on Morinth's side back in ME2? 

I was...Why ?She had superior abilities to her mother and as such was more valuable.



Anyway back to mage supermacist ranting.Mages are superior and tevinter is losing because of plot induced stupidity.They would have conquered all of thedas several times over if not for it.

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...

Drakar123 wrote...

Really ?I disagree.I am strongly pro free will.I simply have no issue with treating inferior beings as inferior beings.

Hey, were you on Morinth's side back in ME2? 

Why should this be related to free will?

[The Hierophant]

KainD wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

If they're so inferior then why did mages spend almost a 1000 in quarantine, and why did the Tevinter need their help against the Qunari?

Outnumbered. 

So would that mean that mundanes are not inferior? Also not every mage is as capable as the Warden,  Hawke, Flemeth, Morrigan, so to assume that they are as a whole superior to mundanes is fallacious, due to ignoring individual people's aptitude.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:58 .

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Erm. The abomination issue has nothing to do with Tevinter. I was bringing that up as an example of an argument where you've dismissed game mechanics as a factor, whereas you use them as a factor when discussing Danarius' power.

The qunari and Imperium continually battle for control of Seheron. The qunari hold most of it at the moment, but do need to continuously push back.

Most of whom are Aequitarians, who voted to leave the Chantry. They
clearly thought it was worth pursuing. Even Wynne turned on the
templars.

Ah, but no, we see an OLD Magister is extremely powerful (Corphy).  Danarius, however, despite being a Magister, isn't very impressive.  The Lyrium tats that he can imprint are cool, but he was kind of a downer there.  So, for you now, Danarius was either a weak magister, or all magisters are that weak. 

Yes, and as Fenris says, the Tevinter are throwing themselves at it, while it isn't even worth a mention from Sten or Ari.

Which has what to do with the mages being allowed outside the Circle without supervision?  And the vote was near 50-50, if I recall correctly.

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:59 .

[KainD]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If I recall correctly, every demon has kept its word in the Dragon Age games.  Desire kept Connor's father alive, and then kept its word with you.  The Pride Demon in the Deep Roads offered to award you if you let him go, and he does.  Demons do make legit deals. :/

Exactly. Just the thing is I believe there could be legit partnership that doesn't involve a lot of violance. Demons get most frustrated when mortals don't take their part seriously, or when they can't cross the veil properly. If that's all they want, to see the world? It's pretty easy to do, and not hurt anyone in the process. 

[Drakar123]

A human with a gun no matter how superior still cannot manage to overpower people without guns if there are a lot of them.That does not dissapprove mage superiority.And most magisters are as skilled as the mages you mention

[KainD]

Drakar123 wrote...

I was...Why ?She had superior abilities to her mother and as such was more valuable.

Was that the only reason you picked her over Samara? 

[The Elder King]

[quote]Drakar123 wrote...


I was...Why ?She had superior abilities to her mother and as such was more valuable.[/quote]
She's not superior. Her ability are on par. She wouldn't become stronger
without killing, and she didn't kill anyone with her mating during the
game, so there's not more valuable. She's more dangerous, though.


Anyway back to mage supermacist ranting.Mages are superior and tevinter is losing because of plot induced stupidity.They would have conquered all of thedas several times over if not for it.

[/quote]

And we'd have no game to discuss about.

[KainD]

hhh89 wrote...

Why should this be related to free will?

A lot really. 

[BlueMagitek]

Kain, we are not doing this again. We've had this discussion on Morinth before, ME 3 is out, there is no option to side with her and even her sisters hate her. Put it down.

[The Elder King]

Drakar123 wrote...

A human with a gun no matter how superior still cannot manage to overpower people without guns if there are a lot of them.That does not dissapprove mage superiority.And most magisters are as skilled as the mages you mention

A man with a gun would not necessary win against a man with no gun.

[Drakar123]

I also loved her personality...I did have an issue with how she was given the choice of either imprisonment or execution if that's what you meant.That is one of the main reasons I sided with her.I despise people like samara...

[KainD]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Kain, we are not doing this again. We've had this discussion on Morinth before, ME 3 is out, there is no option to side with her and even her sisters hate her. Put it down.

I just want to know his opinion, because he thinks a lot like me on many subjects, so I just wanted to see. 
There are no debates, I am just asking of what were the reasons. 

[Drakar123]

hhh89 wrote...

Drakar123 wrote...

A human with a gun no matter how superior still cannot manage to overpower people without guns if there are a lot of them.That does not dissapprove mage superiority.And most magisters are as skilled as the mages you mention

A man with a gun would not necessary win against a man with no gun.

Neither would a non mage nessecerily win against a mage but the chances of a non mage winning are very low.

Modifié par Drakar123, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[KainD]

Drakar123 wrote...

I also loved her personality...I did have an issue with how she was given the choice of either imprisonment or execution if that's what you meant.That is one of the main reasons I sided with her.I despise people like samara...

Weee. It's really rare I find people that think on these subject sthe same as me... no wait, your the first one! <3

But nevermind this, back on topic. That is all I wanted to know. 

[The Hierophant]

Drakar123 wrote...

I also loved her personality...I did have an issue with how she was given the choice of either imprisonment or execution if that's what you meant.That is one of the main reasons I sided with her.I despise people like samara...

You sided with a serial killer who'd make Hannibal Lecter nervous? lol

[The Elder King]

KainD wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Why should this be related to free will?

A lot really. 

Depending if the really choose to escape to have the choice of choosing her fate of for her dipendency.
Though I don't think this is the right place to discuss it.