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[Guy On The Moon]

 The only kind of valuable useful information you get from Mass Effect 2 pertaining to the rest of the series is that the Collecters are modified Protheans and the collectors are abducting humans to build a "humanoid" reaper.  Nothing to do with overall stopping the Reapers or slowing them down.  I feel like the game is a huge side quest pertaining to the overall plot of the series.  Which is why I never got why they wanted to bring ME2 to other platforms so much but leave out ME1 until later.  You can honestly take ME2 out of the series and go straight from ME1 to ME3, maybe play Arrival DLC but that's about it.

Am I missing something?

[bobbydarko]

Your not missing something. But, as it's often referred to, the same can be said for star wars: empire strikes back. It's the 2nd film, it really doesn't push the rebel/sith war storyline further. You could probably watch a new hope and go right to return and get the whole "story", but like mass effect, you'd be missing out on the best one.

[cavs25]

The point was to make it so Mass Effect 3 makes it pointless O_O

[InvincibleHero]

The point is it was a game for entertainment. The stories do not even have to be related for it to work. You had the same people in it so it is in serial form. Does a Tv show have a mjor overaching plot through all of them. Not most of them they are self-contained slices of the sitcom denizen's life. Same with Shepard and co. It is just chronologically in order.

I don't know why people are so pedantic to say it must carry on the same major theme throughout and everything absolutely must tie into that.

[Xellith]

It was to end the "collector threat". Even though if you had done NOTHING then James Vega and the Alliance would have stopped the "collector threat".

There is no real point to it. We didnt wipe out the collectors. And I figure an extra reaper flying around wouldnt make any damn difference. Hell they might have finished their harvest earlier. Thats all I can think of.

Its not like any of the ME2 squaddies were pivitol in ME3. I mean you can toss around the "Mordin cured the genophage" and stuff like that. But in theory you can amass enough war assets to get your RGB ending without even helping anyone in the galaxy and just collecting N7s in MP and little obilisks and crap.

The main thing is that ME2 didnt have to be pointless. It was ME3's job to actually validate some of what you found in ME2. The collector base being the main one. I mean they took the Heart/Brain and shoved it in the crucible to give you default red or blue if you only have low EMS. GJ Bioware..

There should have been something major done with the collector base... but noooooo

[Captain Cornhole]

filler

[d-boy15]

it's supposed to be the part that lead to dark energy plot, since it's was scrap so, was the ME2 plot.

[JBPBRC]

bobbydarko wrote...

Your not missing something. But, as it's often referred to, the same can be said for star wars: empire strikes back. It's the 2nd film, it really doesn't push the rebel/sith war storyline further.

Aside from the Empire absolutely crushing the Rebellion, in the opening sequence no less, hence the title?

You could probably watch a new hope and go right to return and get the whole "story", but like mass effect, you'd be missing out on the best one.

Ehhhh. TESB added more to ROTJ of actual consequence than what ME2 added to ME3.

Of the relevant things ME2 gave us for ME3 we received:

Mordin
Maelon's genophage data
TIM and the new and improved Derperus
A different Geth perspective with Legion (he himself doesn't matter, but the perspective would carry over to ME3)
And Liara becomes the SB via DLC

Empire going into Return of the Jedi in turn gave us these relevant things:

Yoda
Vader as Luke's father
The Emperor
The Empire brutally beating down Luke/The Rebels at every turn
Han Solo being frozen and carted off

I'm sure there's more for each one, but I'll stick with these just off-hand.

Of the above ME-related things, only two out of those five are related to the actual plotline of Reapers vs. everything beyond just happening during the Reaper conflict.

Of the Star Wars examples, only Yoda is irrelevant by the time Return rolls around.

While the two are similar to each other, ME2's irrelevance outweighs anything irrelevant from ESB.

[JBPBRC]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Main plot-wise? Absolutely nothing. Which didn't do the plot of ME3 any favours, that's for sure.

ME2 is still by far my favourite as a standalone game, though.

Also this. Despite my last post's disparagement of ME2's main story flaws, ME2 remains my favorite ME game.

[Guy On The Moon]

Star Wars analogy made sense. I know they don't have to necessarily advance the story in every game but compared to Star Wars or other TV show series, Mass Effect has/was only 3 games so I would think you would want to develop the story as much as possible sense you have much less time. I loved the overall playability of ME2 just the overall story of the game is so...meh to me. What really keeps me going through this series is seeing your character evolve from game to game.

I just didn't see what the big deal was about a humanoid Reaper floating around, since hundreds/thousands of them were coming anyway...and this one probably couldn't even fly...

[JBPBRC]

Guy On The Moon wrote...

I just didn't see what the big deal was about a humanoid Reaper floating around, since hundreds/thousands of them were coming anyway...and this one probably couldn't even fly...

What, you kidding? You can't see Baby Reaper flying through space with a Superman pose, leading his horde of metal cuttlefish on a jolly warpath to Earth?

[Seboist]

JBPBRC wrote...


Of the relevant things ME2 gave us for ME3 we received:

Mordin
Maelon's genophage data
TIM and the new and improved Derperus
A different Geth perspective with Legion (he himself doesn't matter, but the perspective would carry over to ME3)
And Liara becomes the SB via DLC

None of that is relevant though.

Mordin? Interchangable NPC (Same story with Wiks)

Maelon data? Very minor plot point that only affects one disposable and idiotic NPC.

TIM and Derperus were just a gimmick to make things "Dark and edgy" in 2 and Shepard's relationship with them doesn't mean anything one way or another from there.  It's better to jump from ME1 to 3 in regards to them continuity wise.

The whole scapegoat Geth faction retcon is ultimately pointless as the Geth all end up serving the reapers anyway in 3.

Aside from Liara's character retcon in LOTSB itself, she doesn't do much of anything Shadow Brokery in 3. Granted, it's partly due to them taking away part of the intel broker limelight to Traynor since they were more interested in getting PC brownie points by sticking in a token lesbian without thinking things through and giving her development at Liara's expense(not that I personally care mind you).

[teh DRUMPf!!]

YOU WIPED OUT 1 SPECIES OF HUSK WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guy On The Moon]

JBPBRC wrote...

Guy On The Moon wrote...

I just didn't see what the big deal was about a humanoid Reaper floating around, since hundreds/thousands of them were coming anyway...and this one probably couldn't even fly...

What, you kidding? You can't see Baby Reaper flying through space with a Superman pose, leading his horde of metal cuttlefish on a jolly warpath to Earth?

Now THAT......would be pretty awesome hahaha

[3DandBeyond]

ME3 should have answered all the questions raised in ME1 and 2. As it is, ME2 seemed to be about the Collectors being sent in to get Shepard, to learn about humans (the threat as the reapers see them), and as vanguards for the reapers who were thwarted when Sovereign was destroyed. They have an obsession about humans (looking for mutations, wanting Shepard's body, and so on).

There's a real issue that none of this is explained and you must just guess why they were so focused on such things. If I want to think about it and try to fit it together, and I rarely do, I could say that they wanted Shepard's body in order to make Synthesis happen. That maybe that would be how they would have made it fit.

But, you look at what they did. They set a plague upon Omega-one that kills everyone but Vorcha and Humans. So, they'd have to explain that. How can you tie that story and ME3 together? The kid says they're ascending people, but that's another example of them just killing people. It seems clear they just decided to ignore the events of ME2 and handle them superficially. You get assets based on a heart or brain, you see the human reaper, no matter what. Collector's base, minor issue, no real impact. The Arrival-play it or don't and Shepard is in trouble no matter what.

[JBPBRC]

Seboist wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...


Of the relevant things ME2 gave us for ME3 we received:

Mordin
Maelon's genophage data
TIM and the new and improved Derperus
A different Geth perspective with Legion (he himself doesn't matter, but the perspective would carry over to ME3)
And Liara becomes the SB via DLC

None of that is relevant though.

Mordin? Interchangable NPC (Same story with Wiks)

Maelon data? Very minor plot point that only affects one disposable and idiotic NPC.

Relevant in the sense that it was actually carried over and used in the story in a meaningful way, much like my Star Wars examples. Boba Fett for instance, despite being used in Return, has no impact there. Much like most of the ME2 cast in ME3.

Of course when I say "impact the story in a meaningful way" I refer to the genophage plotline, which could practically stand apart from the rest of the story given how isolated it is.

TIM and Derperus were just a gimmick to make things "Dark and edgy" in 2 and Shepard's relationship with them doesn't mean anything one way or another from there.  It's better to jump from ME1 to 3 in regards to them continuity wise.

They are relevant only because they factor in more than the Reapers themselves, how could I not mention them?

The whole scapegoat Geth faction retcon is ultimately pointless as the Geth all end up serving the reapers anyway in 3.

Aside from Liara's character retcon in LOTSB itself, she doesn't do much of anything Shadow Brokery in 3. Granted, it's partly due to them taking away part of the intel broker limelight to Traynor since they were more interested in getting PC brownie points by sticking in a token lesbian without thinking things through and giving her development at Liara's expense(not that I personally care mind you).

I'm fully aware of the irrelevance of it all, just picking out bits of somewhat near relevance in the grand scheme of irrelevance.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 16 décembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

bobbydarko wrote...

Your not missing something. But, as it's often referred to, the same can be said for star wars: empire strikes back. It's the 2nd film, it really doesn't push the rebel/sith war storyline further. You could probably watch a new hope and go right to return and get the whole "story", but like mass effect, you'd be missing out on the best one.

Well, except you meet yoda, lando, boba, and ghost kenobi.  And you find out who Vader is.  Skip Empire and you'll have no idea whats going on. 

Maybe Boba doesn't matter so much, but shut up. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 16 décembre 2012 - 06:50 .

[JBPBRC]

J. Reezy wrote...

It's a babysitting simulator.

This...

...is not inaccurate. But it could be worse. At least it isn't a cave simulator.

[InvincibleHero]

3DandBeyond wrote...

ME3 should have answered all the questions raised in ME1 and 2. As it is, ME2 seemed to be about the Collectors being sent in to get Shepard, to learn about humans (the threat as the reapers see them), and as vanguards for the reapers who were thwarted when Sovereign was destroyed. They have an obsession about humans (looking for mutations, wanting Shepard's body, and so on).

There's a real issue that none of this is explained and you must just guess why they were so focused on such things. If I want to think about it and try to fit it together, and I rarely do, I could say that they wanted Shepard's body in order to make Synthesis happen. That maybe that would be how they would have made it fit.

But, you look at what they did. They set a plague upon Omega-one that kills everyone but Vorcha and Humans. So, they'd have to explain that. How can you tie that story and ME3 together? The kid says they're ascending people, but that's another example of them just killing people. It seems clear they just decided to ignore the events of ME2 and handle them superficially. You get assets based on a heart or brain, you see the human reaper, no matter what. Collector's base, minor issue, no real impact. The Arrival-play it or don't and Shepard is in trouble no matter what.

The virus is testing the races for suitability for reaperification. The fact humans are immune makes them a candidate. Vorcha were a dispersal agent so had to be made immune for convenience.

[Zardoc]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

YOU WIPED OUT 1 SPECIES OF HUSK WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you didn't even do that.

[Seboist]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

YOU WIPED OUT 1 SPECIES OF HUSK WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly and what difference does it make that they're Prothean husks? They're just mindless puppets like human husks.

[3DandBeyond]

InvincibleHero wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

ME3 should have answered all the questions raised in ME1 and 2. As it is, ME2 seemed to be about the Collectors being sent in to get Shepard, to learn about humans (the threat as the reapers see them), and as vanguards for the reapers who were thwarted when Sovereign was destroyed. They have an obsession about humans (looking for mutations, wanting Shepard's body, and so on).

There's a real issue that none of this is explained and you must just guess why they were so focused on such things. If I want to think about it and try to fit it together, and I rarely do, I could say that they wanted Shepard's body in order to make Synthesis happen. That maybe that would be how they would have made it fit.

But, you look at what they did. They set a plague upon Omega-one that kills everyone but Vorcha and Humans. So, they'd have to explain that. How can you tie that story and ME3 together? The kid says they're ascending people, but that's another example of them just killing people. It seems clear they just decided to ignore the events of ME2 and handle them superficially. You get assets based on a heart or brain, you see the human reaper, no matter what. Collector's base, minor issue, no real impact. The Arrival-play it or don't and Shepard is in trouble no matter what.

The virus is testing the races for suitability for reaperification. The fact humans are immune makes them a candidate. Vorcha were a dispersal agent so had to be made immune for convenience.

Where does it say this?  The Vorcha are immune naturally-to all disease if I remember correctly.  And they don't just use humans for reapers at all.  The dominant or most advanced race is used to make a capital ship.  The other races for other reaper ships.  ME3 doesn't talk about the plague or what the collectors were doing in anything I remember from the game.

I know the Vorcha disperse the plague, but I don't recall anything about the plague being used to see if humans could be made into reapers.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 16 décembre 2012 - 07:21 .