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[Andrew Waples]

me2 was more of a character driven story then actual plot. collectors where just there for filler. to futher prove my point just look at mp. I know mp doesn't have to follow the same rules in sp but still. We get more stuff added to the lore we see a dark side (no pun intended) to the asari (samara), new race (drell) we learn who really created the genophage. i'm not sure if this is right but me2 follows the classic trilogy. me1 introduce plot, me2 introduce the characters that'll help solve the plot, third resolve everything. (the second part i'm not sure about)

[Seboist]

The only characters that drive the plot of ME2 are largely TIM with his handing out of plot tickets and to a lesser extent Kelly with her telling Shepard which daddy issue needs solving at the moment.

If you want to play a real character driven story then get yourself Persona 4. All the characters' struggles are tied to the main plot and theme.

[InvincibleHero]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Where does it say this?  The Vorcha are immune naturally-to all disease if I remember correctly.  And they don't just use humans for reapers at all.  The dominant or most advanced race is used to make a capital ship.  The other races for other reaper ships.  ME3 doesn't talk about the plague or what the collectors were doing in anything I remember from the game.

I know the Vorcha disperse the plague, but I don't recall anything about the plague being used to see if humans could be made into reapers.

The fact that the collectors are the reaper's catspaws and do things behind the scenes acquiring tech and doing experiments on each species. It is why they collect things and people. The whole humans have great genetic diversity and are selected was because of that test among others. It is not explicitly stated as such though.

[InvincibleHero]

Seboist wrote...

The only characters that drive the plot of ME2 are largely TIM with his handing out of plot tickets and to a lesser extent Kelly with her telling Shepard which daddy issue needs solving at the moment.

If you want to play a real character driven story then get yourself Persona 4. All the characters' struggles are tied to the main plot and theme.

Why is it important that all struggles be related to the plot and theme? Does real life parse itself so neatly? Doesn't that make a story seem so artificial instead of organic? Do you have to feel something is only important to your goal to help and acquaintance or friend? I'd rather have randomness than happenstance where everything aligns perfectly. It does not all need to be related.

[Jere85]

Go and look at smudboys thoughts on mass effect 2 on youtube, and realise how right you are. me2 made no sense. I loved my playthroughs, no doubt about it... but yeah... no sense.

[dreamgazer]

J. Reezy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If you want to play a real character driven story then get yourself Persona 4. All the characters' struggles are tied to the main plot and theme.

I looked up that series and found out 3 and 4 are on PS2. I've heard good things so I plan on getting those from Amazon at some point.

Keep an eye out for Nocturne, too.

[Seboist]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Why is it important that all struggles be related to the plot and theme? Does real life parse itself so neatly? Doesn't that make a story seem so artificial instead of organic? Do you have to feel something is only important to your goal to help and acquaintance or friend? I'd rather have randomness than happenstance where everything aligns perfectly. It does not all need to be related.

Seeing as how there's a threat a galactic anihilation on the horizon then one's struggles be better worth taking Shepard's time and resources for or else they should STFU.

Getting the thannix and other ship upgrades were more meaningful developments than solving the squad's petty issues and why the hell do I need "loyalty" to begin with? I didn't need it when doing a "suicide mission" to Ilos with one ship against a potent Geth military.

[KevTheGamer]

I think Mass Effect 2 was about giving Cerberus a real introduction to the series. I mean yeah they were in ME 1 but it was all side quests and they really didn't matter much in ME 1 if you didn't pay attention. They are a huge part of ME 2 and ME 3. I think the series would have been kind of lame without ME2 plus I feel its the best game of the series. Best characters, most replay value, most fun mission and it gave a much wider scale of how the Reaper invasion can effect everyone in the galaxy. It also shows how much the other alien races are willing to sacrifice for humanity which I think was going to have a bigger role in what I think was going to have a larger impact in ME 3 if the final choice was really about sacrificing humanity to save the rest of the galaxy or rejecting the choice and being another cycle. 

Modifié par KevWestBeats.com, 16 décembre 2012 - 07:44 .

[Kataphrut94]

Mainly to fix all of Mass Effect 1s gameplay issues.

The main plot is essentially to get a gang of intriguing wackos together for a heist. On the way, we get to establish a whole bunch of subplots and new characters, richer up the universe and ultimately stop a Reaper from being built.

[TerrasSol]

ME2 existed to remind us how desperately ME3 needed Drew and how much it hurt for his not being around.

(Seriously ME2 was so amazing on so many levels.  None of it's chars were of use in ME3 none of it's plot really.  Such disappoint)

Modifié par TerrasSol, 16 décembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't even think BioWare knows how to answer that question.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 16 décembre 2012 - 07:53 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

To be forgotten clearly.

[InvincibleHero]

Seboist wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Why is it important that all struggles be related to the plot and theme? Does real life parse itself so neatly? Doesn't that make a story seem so artificial instead of organic? Do you have to feel something is only important to your goal to help and acquaintance or friend? I'd rather have randomness than happenstance where everything aligns perfectly. It does not all need to be related.

Seeing as how there's a threat a galactic anihilation on the horizon then one's struggles be better worth taking Shepard's time and resources for or else they should STFU.

Getting the thannix and other ship upgrades were more meaningful developments than solving the squad's petty issues and why the hell do I need "loyalty" to begin with? I didn't need it when doing a "suicide mission" to Ilos with one ship against a potent Geth military.

Except it is put to you that eliminating "distractions" will lead to a more efficient and focused crew. It was given importance by Illusive Man and Jacob. Of course it is gameplay derivative. As if someone would die on purpose if he never found his dad or was ignored. It was quite obvious A must occur before B as in gain loyalty before the omega 4 relay.

[nos_astra]

How about recruiting professionals? People who know how to deal with distractions?

[The Night Mammoth]

InvincibleHero wrote...

Seboist wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Why is it important that all struggles be related to the plot and theme? Does real life parse itself so neatly? Doesn't that make a story seem so artificial instead of organic? Do you have to feel something is only important to your goal to help and acquaintance or friend? I'd rather have randomness than happenstance where everything aligns perfectly. It does not all need to be related.

Seeing as how there's a threat a galactic anihilation on the horizon then one's struggles be better worth taking Shepard's time and resources for or else they should STFU.

Getting the thannix and other ship upgrades were more meaningful developments than solving the squad's petty issues and why the hell do I need "loyalty" to begin with? I didn't need it when doing a "suicide mission" to Ilos with one ship against a potent Geth military.

Except it is put to you that eliminating "distractions" will lead to a more efficient and focused crew. It was given importance by Illusive Man and Jacob. Of course it is gameplay derivative. As if someone would die on purpose if he never found his dad or was ignored. It was quite obvious A must occur before B as in gain loyalty before the omega 4 relay.

Honestly, if a member of the crew is thinking about their waste of space dad who went missing ten years ago whilst being shot at in the middle of attacking the Collector Base, they can take a running jump through an airlock and walk back through the Omega 4 Relay. 

Recruiting a bunch of so-called professionals is pointless if none of them act like it. 

Typical of ME2, really. It's more like a kid's cartoon series where its individual episodes are almost completely unrelated to each other, kept together by a couple of recurring characters and the barest, most paper-thin and irrelevant inkling of an overall plot. Like a sci-fi Fairly Odd Parents. 

But that's the point, isn't it? ME2 was essentially pointless. Fantastic on its own, but in terms of advancing the series? Terrible. It doesn't advance the main plot at all. Shepard and co. are in the same place they were in before it.

[111987]

Cerberus and the Reaper technology they got their hands on. Cerberus was a pretty big part of Mass Effect 3, was it not? Some might say too big, but I digress.

It also set up other things for ME3. And it revealed more about the Reapers and their purpose (i.e. not total annihilation, but some type of harvesting).

[MegaSovereign]

It's a love simulator.

Also the Suicide Mission was really, really cool.

[Rip504]

Perhaps for those whom fail to understand ME2,it may just simply be beyond your comprehension.
Perhaps not.

Also for me,Tali made ME2 and was more then enough to enjoy the game. The Quarian/Geth conflict has always been one of my fav issues within the ME series. ME2 introduced us to what we are saving.

Modifié par Rip504, 16 décembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[SNascimento]

The poist is that it's the best in the series.

[Sweawm]

To be the best game in the series, that's what. I honestly could have gone for an entire saga of Mass Effect games that focus on the characters. Reapers are overrated.

[Spatchmo]

You know I was thinking, they could have easily made Mass Effect 2 more relevant to the over all plot if at some point the council told you they were working in secret to prepare for the reapers. Then it would feel like someone was doing something about the reapers as opposed to just dealing with the collectors. It would have been better in general if it were the council assigning the missions to you instead of cerberus in my opinion, keeping cerberus as a small but dangerous splinter faction.

[Guy On The Moon]

Rip504 wrote...

Perhaps for those whom fail to understand ME2,it may just simply be beyond your comprehension.
Perhaps not.

Also for me,Tali made ME2 and was more then enough to enjoy the game. The Quarian/Geth conflict has always been one of my fav issues within the ME series. ME2 introduced us to what we are saving.

That doesn't even make sense becaues you're only saving humans in ME2, with just common interaction with other species..which in actualaity you are saving the galaxy.

Spatchmo wrote...

You know I was thinking, they could have easily made Mass Effect 2 more relevant to the over all plot if at some point the council told you they were working in secret to prepare for the reapers. Then it would feel like someone was doing something about the reapers as opposed to just dealing with the collectors. It would have been better in general if it were the council assigning the missions to you instead of cerberus in my opinion, keeping cerberus as a small but dangerous splinter faction.

This would be a pretty good idea, however who would revive Shepard if the Collectors killed him in the first place.  Cerberus reviving him kind of made him liable to them, and they were basically the only group with enough resources to take on that project...and make a new Normandy

Sweawm wrote...

To be the best game in the series, that's what. I honestly could have gone for an entire saga of Mass Effect games that focus on the characters. Reapers are overrated.

Still don't get why ME2 is the best.  ME2 had too many characters, which is why it was hard to continue developing them in ME3 along with fighting Reapers, which is the point of all of this in the first place.  Take the catalyst junk out of ME3 and it's easily superior to ME2.  Like I said you can take ME2 out of the series and it wouldn't matter one bit.  Love the game, but the story is just insignificant

Modifié par Guy On The Moon, 16 décembre 2012 - 09:19 .