Guy On The Moon wrote...
The only loyaltly missions that were actually worthwhile were Miranda's, Kasumi, Zaeed, and Grunt. All of the others you're acting like what you said, a therapist
Modifié par tonnactus, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:47 .
IsaacShep wrote...
No, that's what people thought until we learnt that it was Leviathans who took control over Rachnifr33stylez wrote...
The Reapers were already 'behind schedule' for harvesting by about 1000 years
tonnactus wrote...
Guy On The Moon wrote...
The only loyaltly missions that were actually worthwhile were Miranda's, Kasumi, Zaeed, and Grunt. All of the others you're acting like what you said, a therapist
How excactly Mirandas Mission was worthwile? It didnt enrich the Mass Effect universe in any way. I dont give a **** about her sister and a lot of people had far worser lifes then her. It was the most pointless mission of them all.
Guy On The Moon wrote...
I thought it was important in relation to character development. You see a change in her from before the mission to after.
Uhh.. Jonah wrote...
It deepened the universe, and we also learned the truth about what exactly happened to the Protheans.
Seems like you're inventing your own ME lore.IsaacShep wrote...
Seems like you didn't pay attention to the plot. The Reapers don't built Human Reaper to "do" something with it, there's no great evil masterplan "Ohh he's gonna replace Sovereign and open the CItadel Relay for us hehe!". Making new Capitol Ship (the most important one) from the best selected race is their primary objective, they're suppoused to store old life in Reaper form first before destroying the rest. Then they will store other races in Destroyer forms. Then they can kill everyone they didn't use to make new Reapers. Or turn them into Collector-like servants if some/all races prove to be not suitable for creating a Reaper (like Protheans did, that Reaper failed). That's why Collectors were testing DNA of various species and why Harby had them start the construction of the Human Reaper. They don't have to finish it on time, they will or Reapers will when they arrive. But by starting early they have a headstart and can test if the Reaper will work at all (unlike the Prothean Reaper). In ME3, they have to start everything from scratch. They don't have even the skeleton of Human Reaper ready and no place to build it until they retake the Citadel. They would complete the construction of the Human Reaper much sooner if it wasn't for the Collectors' failure. And with the completed Human Reaper, they could proceede to mass annihilation without having to save populations for production, as they do in ME3.
That's fine, but this was sloppily told and lazy. All we know at the beginning of ME3 is that Shepard has been under self-imposed house arrest for 6 months while disbanding his team with the rest of the galaxy unaware of the pending invasion. We're never even told when exactly the Mars Magic 'win' button was uncovered by Liara, and it appears no actually preparations were made for the invasion. All we know is that 5 minutes after Me3 starts, the Reapers are here, and everyone is… surprised.They had to fly to the next Relay instead of using Alpha Relay to jump instantly to the rest of the galaxy and start the invasion immediately. It took them a couple of months, that's what Arrival bought us. During this time, Liara pulled together stuff old Shadow Broker uncovered and eventually tracked down Crucible plans on Mars. Without those additional months, it would be over, just like it happens in Game Over cutscene if the Arrival countdown goes to zero and Reaper manage to use Alpha Relay.
No, the Leviathan controlling the Rachni was a theory by Dr. Bryson and not canon. And even without Sovereign controlling the Rachi, it's been trying to solve the Keeper/Citadel issue for at least 3 centuries. So the point still stands, there's no reason why the Reapers would be in rush in the past 2 years after delaying the cycle for centuries.No, that's what people thought until we learnt that it was Leviathans who took control over Rachni
Modifié par fr33stylez, 19 décembre 2012 - 03:47 .
But they starting creating the Capitol Ship when Sovereign failed and Reapers begun FTLing to the Galaxy. Yes, the Reapers are able to harvest anyway but with Collectors, they can start it earlier and focus on other stuff. Collectors are an asset to them.fr33stylez wrote...
Seems like you're inventing your own ME lore.
1) There's no reason why this capital ship would need to be started in the timeline of ME2. The Collectors weren't creating a Capital Ship as Sovereign was just about to open the relay in ME1. The Reapers didn't use a Collector-like race in the past to kidnap people for capital ships since the Reapers were able to flood through the Citadel. And the Reapers were able to harvest anyways once they arrive in the galaxy in ME3.
But the situation changed when Sovereign failed. When he failed, he exposed himself. Shepard and the Alliance already know about the Reapers. And Reapers have no reason to assume everyone in the galaxy will ignore the threat. It would be just unwise for them to do so. The situation is unique and like never before, they have to spend 2 years FTLing to the galaxy while those who know about them may be already prepping plans to defeat them. They're arogant, but they're not completly dumb. Their standard pattern of invasion has already failed. When they finally arrive guess what, the galaxy already knows about the Crucible and starts building it. Earlier than ever before the next cycle got Crucible plans. This cycle is also the most technologically developed due to delays (reverse-engineered Sovereign guns).fr33stylez wrote...
2) Again, they don’t need a head start for anything. It's only 2 years. Sovereign initially tried to activate the Citadel Relay centuries ago (and no, even with the Leviathan ambiguous retcon, Sovereign was still investigating for at least 300 years). So there's no reason why they need a 'head start' for anything if the Reapers were willing to wait centuries in the first place!
Nothing catastrophic occuerd? THEY LOST. They were busy gathering humans for processing and trying to rekate the Citadel to build new Human Reaper in there instead of just bombarding or nuking Earth.fr33stylez wrote...
And why even need a head start? What was going to happen if they didn't start on a Human-Reaper in the past 2 years? Apparently nothing, since they started from 'scratch' in ME3 anyways and nothing catastrophic occurred.
Again, when Sovereign was trying to solve the problem, Reapers were not known by anyone in the galaxy, nor their plans.fr33stylez wrote...
No, the Leviathan controlling the Rachni was a theory by Dr. Bryson and not canon. And even without Sovereign controlling the Rachi, it's been trying to solve the Keeper/Citadel issue for at least 3 centuries. So the point still stands, there's no reason why the Reapers would be in rush in the past 2 years after delaying the cycle for centuries.
Supersomething wrote...
Actually ME2 would have had greater relevance if BioWare had not changed writers. The storyline for the Reapers that got picked up in ME3 was vastly different from the one that was originally planned by the original writer in ME1 and through most of ME2. Basically the original reaper story line was going to be tied in with Dark Energy. There are in fact a couple missions in ME2 that make the reference to Dark Energy and it having adverse effects in the galaxy.
Taken from: http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings
The Dark Energy was a force that was going to consume everything. According to Karpyshyn, "The Reapers as a whole were 'nations' of people who had fused together in the most horrific way possible to help find a way to stop the spread of the Dark Energy. The real reason for the Human Reaper was supposed to be the Reapers saving throw because they had run out of time. Humanity in Mass Effect is supposedly unique because of its genetic diversity and represented the universe's best chance at stopping Dark Energy's spread."
The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means."
Modifié par Guy On The Moon, 19 décembre 2012 - 09:14 .
Wasn't this what was in the leaked script and what a bunch of people complained about?Guy On The Moon wrote...
....What. The. ****. Bioware. Why didn't they go ahead with this!?
capn233 wrote...
Wasn't this what was in the leaked script and what a bunch of people complained about?Guy On The Moon wrote...
....What. The. ****. Bioware. Why didn't they go ahead with this!?
Bioware listens to fans too much sometimes, to the detriment of the games.
Not really. At least it isn't based on what appears to be a false premise from the narrative itself, and it had an arguably more meaningful choice at the end.Seboist wrote...
The leak happened too late in development for anything to have changed. Besides, the plot of turning humans into goo to form a space termiantor to somehow combat dark energy was just as moronic as what we ended up getting.
Seboist wrote...
capn233 wrote...
Wasn't this what was in the leaked script and what a bunch of people complained about?Guy On The Moon wrote...
....What. The. ****. Bioware. Why didn't they go ahead with this!?
Bioware listens to fans too much sometimes, to the detriment of the games.
The leak happened too late in development for anything to have changed. Besides, the plot of turning humans into goo to form a space termiantor to somehow combat dark energy was just as moronic as what we ended up getting.
Guy On The Moon wrote...
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I can't believe I am just seeing this now....
....What. The. ****. Bioware. Why didn't they go ahead with this!?
That would be the equivalent of the airport novel.It's a really cool game, standalone, or as part of an established series. That's more than enough.
It still wouldn't work because the Reapers cannot be a source of reliable exposition - they are the villains. A conversation cannot work since Shepard's no more than an anecdote to them whereas Shepard has no reason to believe what the Reapers may know from watching countless cycles.and it had an arguably more meaningful choice at the end.
Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 19 décembre 2012 - 11:17 .
Not meaning to bash Wheel of Time here, but I'm pretty sure Robert Jordan wrote that way. Oh, and while we're at it, TOLKIEN DID IT. Yes. He did. The Hobbit was not meant as a Lotr prequel, but as a standalone book originally.AlexMBrennan wrote...
That would be the equivalent of the airport novel.It's a really cool game, standalone, or as part of an established series. That's more than enough.
It's fun if you get over the contrived characters - I can't see Shepard wanting to work with known terrorists who may or may not have had a hand in the death of his unit (Miranda, Jacob), unstable biotic abuse survivors (Jack), assassins (Thane), religious fanatical knights templar (Samara) or pointless token krogan: It was a story about the random band of misfits, which was crowbar'd into the sequel to ME1 which did nothing to advance the overall plot - it's a holding pattern where Shepard fights a complete non-threat (the Collectors were targeting small colonies because they'd have been killed if they had attempted to target Earth with their one lone cruiser)
Of course, you are missing the point entirely - ME2 being "pointless" with respect to the is entirely independent of ME2 being a cool game. The writers made up stuff as they went along, and it shows.
[Does anyone know any serious (i.e. non video game) writers that use the same approach? Did King have no idea of the overall plot when he started Dark Tower?]It still wouldn't work because the Reapers cannot be a source of reliable exposition - they are the villains. A conversation cannot work since Shepard's no more than an anecdote to them whereas Shepard has no reason to believe what the Reapers may know from watching countless cycles.and it had an arguably more meaningful choice at the end.
Islandrockzor wrote...
Not meaning to bash Wheel of Time here, but I'm pretty sure Robert Jordan wrote that way. Oh, and while we're at it, TOLKIEN DID IT. Yes. He did. The Hobbit was not meant as a Lotr prequel, but as a standalone book originally.AlexMBrennan wrote...
That would be the equivalent of the airport novel.It's a really cool game, standalone, or as part of an established series. That's more than enough.
It's fun if you get over the contrived characters - I can't see Shepard wanting to work with known terrorists who may or may not have had a hand in the death of his unit (Miranda, Jacob), unstable biotic abuse survivors (Jack), assassins (Thane), religious fanatical knights templar (Samara) or pointless token krogan: It was a story about the random band of misfits, which was crowbar'd into the sequel to ME1 which did nothing to advance the overall plot - it's a holding pattern where Shepard fights a complete non-threat (the Collectors were targeting small colonies because they'd have been killed if they had attempted to target Earth with their one lone cruiser)
Of course, you are missing the point entirely - ME2 being "pointless" with respect to the is entirely independent of ME2 being a cool game. The writers made up stuff as they went along, and it shows.
[Does anyone know any serious (i.e. non video game) writers that use the same approach? Did King have no idea of the overall plot when he started Dark Tower?]It still wouldn't work because the Reapers cannot be a source of reliable exposition - they are the villains. A conversation cannot work since Shepard's no more than an anecdote to them whereas Shepard has no reason to believe what the Reapers may know from watching countless cycles.and it had an arguably more meaningful choice at the end.
On the other hand, we have Rowling, who had a clear idea of the number of installments in her series and how it would end from the beginning. Harry Potter and the Deathly hallows is a satisfying read for the dedicated fan, cause every single seemingly insignificant detail from the previous books is used to wrap it up. I'm not a hardcore Harry Potter fan, but Rowling knew how to write a book series.
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