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[General TSAR]

shodiswe wrote...

What people forget is that the shouting is, in part, Shepard venting out frustration about what just happend, Joker just provided a reason/opportunity to let it all out.

Shepard has a perfectly good mirror in his private bathroom, Adam Jensen it up Shep and get back to work.

[Barquiel]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

That was Kelly. She committed suicide with a cyanide capsule, iirc.

That's a different situation. There was an older script where Liara would commit suicide after Thessia if you didn't console her. I have no idea why they took it out. I suspect because most Liara fans are like that dude Artifex in this thread. They'd just lose their sh*t if she was treated like any character. Not worth the trouble.

There were three leaked scripts...one very early draft, some middle thing and the 99% complete one. Javik and the Virmire standoff were in the earliest script, with Javik's role going from being integral to the plot to DLC friendly unimportance, and the Virmire 2.0 thing being dropped entirely by the second script. But I don't remember Liara commiting suicide in it, only the Kelly thing (Liara's reaction is natural, but suicide would be rather ooc. The Asari are still fighting and not wiped out like the Quarians...there are still billions left).

I'd look it up, but honestly, I don't want to bother with it. You can forget I even brought it up. It's not important. The underlying principle behind some of the leaks is all that matters. For some reason, they didn't view her any differently than Tali, Ash/Kaidan, Wrex, Jack, Miranda.. and then suddenly they did. I have my own reasons why (what I said earlier about the fanbase.. but just to be fair, I don't think you're like Artifex. You've always been fair minded).

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

[eyezonlyii]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

I disagree on that actually. It would have put Kai Leng in a better light (as a conniving infiltrator, not just some frontlines space ninja. The part was similar to Brooks).

Cerberus likes their sleeper agents. And so do I. I like how Drew wrote the operatives like this in the books. edit: Not that I "like" them, but I think it's a more entertaining way of getting under your skin. Better than crappy boss fights at least.

Leng Should have been on the crew in ME2, possibly taking Thane's place (sorry Thanemancers, nothing against him, just for story purposes) and then should have made the big reveal in 3. His motivation could come from the collector base decision. If destroyed, he takes it as Shepard not doing everything in their power to uplift humanity, and if the base was spared, it would come down to "sorry Shep, just following orders."

[General TSAR]

Joker uses humor as a coping mechanism for excessive stress, so maybe he did find it funny the haughty blue squidhead planet got rocked or maybe he was really hurt by the loss of the blue bimbos.

Just something to point out.

Modifié par General TSAR, 31 janvier 2014 - 10:14 .

[dragonflight288]

eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

I disagree on that actually. It would have put Kai Leng in a better light (as a conniving infiltrator, not just some frontlines space ninja. The part was similar to Brooks).

Cerberus likes their sleeper agents. And so do I. I like how Drew wrote the operatives like this in the books. edit: Not that I "like" them, but I think it's a more entertaining way of getting under your skin. Better than crappy boss fights at least.

Leng Should have been on the crew in ME2, possibly taking Thane's place (sorry Thanemancers, nothing against him, just for story purposes) and then should have made the big reveal in 3. His motivation could come from the collector base decision. If destroyed, he takes it as Shepard not doing everything in their power to uplift humanity, and if the base was spared, it would come down to "sorry Shep, just following orders."

It's possible that he was having his own problems, as Anderson and Miranda both thought he was dead. 

[KotorEffect3]

I like Joker but he deserved an earful for that one. You don't make jokes about a civilization that is currently going through its destruction

[General TSAR]

Sure you do, it's called dark humor.

Besides,the hubris and hypocrisy of the Asari almost cost the Allied Races the whole damn war.

Modifié par General TSAR, 01 février 2014 - 01:56 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Humor that sparks controversy and outrage is the funniest kind.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Barquiel wrote...

That was Kelly. She committed suicide with a cyanide capsule, iirc.

While I suppose we will never know, I agree, especially since suicide by cyanide pills is how Kelly (possibly) dies in the real ME3 as well.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 01 février 2014 - 02:09 .

[KotorEffect3]

General TSAR wrote...

Sure you do, it's called dark humor.

Besides,the hubris and hypocrisy of the Asari almost cost the Allied Races the whole damn war.

Well dark humor sucks.  I am no fan of the asari government but that doesn't mean I am going to laugh about the suffering of their people.

[General TSAR]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Well dark humor sucks

It really doesn't.

I am no fan of the asari government

I'm talking about the Asari civilization, minus several individuals like Samara, Detective Anaya and Spectre Vasir.

But regardless, watching Asari getting crushed by a foe they can't snu-snu to victory is a welcome sight.

[RangerSG]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

I disagree on that actually. It would have put Kai Leng in a better light (as a conniving infiltrator, not just some frontlines space ninja. The part was similar to Brooks).

Cerberus likes their sleeper agents. And so do I. I like how Drew wrote the operatives like this in the books. edit: Not that I "like" them, but I think it's a more entertaining way of getting under your skin. Better than crappy boss fights at least.

Agreed. It's also not a bad way for setting up a real boss fight, since it's hard to imagine most bosses willingly revealing themselves unless they think they have an advantage.

[RangerSG]

eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

I disagree on that actually. It would have put Kai Leng in a better light (as a conniving infiltrator, not just some frontlines space ninja. The part was similar to Brooks).

Cerberus likes their sleeper agents. And so do I. I like how Drew wrote the operatives like this in the books. edit: Not that I "like" them, but I think it's a more entertaining way of getting under your skin. Better than crappy boss fights at least.

Leng Should have been on the crew in ME2, possibly taking Thane's place (sorry Thanemancers, nothing against him, just for story purposes) and then should have made the big reveal in 3. His motivation could come from the collector base decision. If destroyed, he takes it as Shepard not doing everything in their power to uplift humanity, and if the base was spared, it would come down to "sorry Shep, just following orders."

This is why some of us think Zaeed would've been better in the role. He could've been crew in ME3, and betrayed you at Thessia, and it would've made perfect sense.

[Steelcan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I like Joker but he deserved an earful for that one. You don't make jokes about a civilization that is currently going through its destruction

No you crack open a beer and take potshots at any survivors:wizard:

[Han Shot First]

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

That was Kelly. She committed suicide with a cyanide capsule, iirc.

That's a different situation. There was an older script where Liara would commit suicide after Thessia if you didn't console her. I have no idea why they took it out. I suspect because most Liara fans are like that dude Artifex in this thread. They'd just lose their sh*t if she was treated like any character. Not worth the trouble.

I think they should have left some type of "Virmire" scenario in where Liara could die. Hell I would have loved it if the end run was a suicide mission with all your surviving ME1 through ME3 squaddies, and where there were a few unavoidable squadmate deaths with your decisions playing a role in who lives and dies.

The suicide idea was stupid and out of character though. That belonged on the cutting room floor.

[Darks1d3]

@Streetmagic To be fair, I don't think they're all fat. And as far as old goes, aren't you pushing 40? ........:happy:

As far as dark humor is concerned, there's nothing wrong with it at all. I can appreciate it. I just thought his timing sucked. But I wouldn't have yelled at him, I'd just shake my head and say calmly "Not the best time for that".

Modifié par Darks1d3, 01 février 2014 - 05:21 .

[Han Shot First]

RangerSG wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Both Thessia and the Cerberus coup were changed signifigantly in many ways. But I don't think that had anything to do with Liara, her role was more or less the same (I think the VS fans would have hated it more because Kai Leng had fueled the VS against you to the point of a standoff...that's even worse than siding with Udina ).

I disagree on that actually. It would have put Kai Leng in a better light (as a conniving infiltrator, not just some frontlines space ninja. The part was similar to Brooks).

Cerberus likes their sleeper agents. And so do I. I like how Drew wrote the operatives like this in the books. edit: Not that I "like" them, but I think it's a more entertaining way of getting under your skin. Better than crappy boss fights at least.

Leng Should have been on the crew in ME2, possibly taking Thane's place (sorry Thanemancers, nothing against him, just for story purposes) and then should have made the big reveal in 3. His motivation could come from the collector base decision. If destroyed, he takes it as Shepard not doing everything in their power to uplift humanity, and if the base was spared, it would come down to "sorry Shep, just following orders."

This is why some of us think Zaeed would've been better in the role. He could've been crew in ME3, and betrayed you at Thessia, and it would've made perfect sense.

If Bioware were to have someone on the squad betray you at Thessia I think it would have to be someone other than Kai Leng. I say that only because anyone who had read the books and was familiar with his character wouldn't have trusted him from the start, and many people who read the books would have seen the betrayal coming a mile away.

It would be better to use a character that would blind side most players. It would have to be someone Shepard either had reason to trust in previous games, or a new character introduced in ME3 that was written in a way to get the player to like/trust that character before getting the dagger in the back.

[KotorEffect3]

I will never get the asari hate around here. It must be a bsn thing

[Steelcan]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

I will never get the asari hate around here. It must be a bsn thing

Its a custom avi thing, don't expect you to understand