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[von uber]

I actually think the beacon on Thessia makes the Asari more interesting, as it show's they are just as devious and manipulative as all the other races. I wouldn't say they are 'special' in the slightest. Even from ME1 they are shown to be criminals and morally dubious. The problem was making them generic space babes, they should be much more interesting than that (as is hinted through their Justicar system for example).
Anyway, just as well Joker didn't make and gags about the Geth eh. Never hear the end of that. "Shepard was right for shouting at joker for nisultnig our beloved toasters..".

[wright1978]

Daemul wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Frybread76 wrote...

There should have been paragon, renegade and neutral responses to choose from. Unfortunately, BioWare seems to have removed a lot of neutral dialogue options in ME3.

I'm still mourning the loss of those neutral options in ME3.

Neutral options are still in the game, they are called Renegade now.

Renegade lines were certainly toned down but not neutral.

[Derpy]

I find Asari extremely creepy as I don't know if they are about to jump and r4pe me or take over my mind.

[Artifex_Imperius]

themikefest wrote...

Stop protecting your precious Asari. They messed up in a very big way by not revealing that artifact earlier.

You're alright with yelling at Joker, but we can't say anything to the councillor except "I'm sorry". Again it was the stupid Asari that failed to reveal the artifact.

Why can't we yell at T'soni? What gives her the right to yell at Javik? Why isn't she blaming her own government for the crap? That's right because they're "special" and we're not allowed to yell at the Asari.

A minute ago we where talking about why shepard  was yelling at joker?. because shepard was in a bad mood failing his mission that those commandoes died for. a mission that could have ended the war then and there.

now where talking about Liara? ok i'll play along

liara did discover the Cruicble? but then again maybe in your "mind canon" she didn't. javik has been insulting people from the get go. hmm she did blame her mother?

dude your problem you generalize too much? so if one black man is bad then all of them are bad? racist much?

"your asari"? did i claim something?.<_<

now get back to topic dude?

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:07 .

[Sundance31us]

Prior to ME3's release there were several threads about the lack of dialogue between Joker and Shepard over what happened during the SR-1's destruction. Some people wanted Shepard to yell at Joker and others wanted Joker to show some remorse over his part in Shepard's death.

I've always taken the post-Thessia confrontation as the developers trying to give us a little bit of what we (or at least some of us) asked for.

[Derpy]

Joker's jokes are funny no matter who they are aimed at even if I like whatever they are aimed at because who gets upset when a VIDEO GAME character makes a joke against a VIDEO GAME character that you like...

[dragonflight288]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
I doubt it...but even if you're right. The reapers harvest a few million asari every day (aside from those people killed in fighting the Reapers). That is not exactly the same as some car accident.

As they do human, salarian, krogan, turian, drell, hanar, elcor, volus, so forgive us for not breaking down in tears for the poor poor Asari, because being reaperised is obviously only bad and sad when done to them, right? After they sat on their Prothean info dump right up until they realised "oh wait, the reapers don't care about our perfect democracy! They don't care that we're super duper peaceful! Shepard, help us! If you don't we'll blame you!"

What was that line? "Losing Thessia wasn't in the playbook"? What makes Thessia so more important than Palaven, Sur'Kesh, Rannoch, Dekunna, Earth or Irune? Why would my Shepard, who found the Asari an annoyance, care one iota about Jokers quip? As far as shes concerned they should have known this was coming and should've come clean earlier. Make some witty comeback, something to show that the player still matters in this story.

My Shepard is pissed at the asari for holding onto the beacon until the eleventh hour and expect him to magically fix EVERYTHING once he reaches it. The same group who had this beacon and then made it illegal for others to do the same thing, imposing heavy sanctions on anyone withholding prothean technology. The same group who, when the Reapers invaded didn't offer any help, just doubled up on defending their borders and refused to come to the bargaining table at the summit between the turians, salarians, and krogan. He's pissed, all right, but he's pissed at the asari, not Joker. And, yes, the Matriarchs are the most responsible, but the planet is a total democracy - even if they didn't know about the beacon, they were still the ones burying their heads in the sand and ignoring Shepard's efforts to fight the Reapers until the Citadel was attacked. And he knows that Thessia fell the moment the Reapers arrived - even if he'd made it offworld with Vendetta, he'd still have to have gotten to the Crucible with it, which means that Thessia would still have fallen.

And with the worlds that have fallen to the Reapers - you know, like EARTH, a planet with at least the possibility of having been Shepard's birthplace, so it makes sense to have attachment - my Shepard knows that he can't waste time taking the fall of a world personally, because if he did, he'd be crippled with self-doubt. Planets are by this point falling regularly. Why is Thessia so personally devestating for Shepard? Shepard wasn't like this for Earth. Or Palaven. And Thessia is not a world that I feel that connected to, so I'm not broken up about it because... okay, yes, it's a horrible thing to befall anyone, but it's happening all over the galaxy.....

It's been awhile since I posted in the ME3 forum, and I don't kow if this has been addressed, but I think I can answer from how I interpreted my Shepard's perspective.

My Shepard was a colonist and a war hero. He fought and defeated Saren, Sovereign, the Collectors and the Shadow Broker. He delayed the Reaper's arrival time and again, from ME1 to Arrival. Everything he did, he at least had some modicum of success. On Palavan, he may not have been able to prevent the Reaper's from advancing, but he met his goal of getting the Primearch, and getting the Turians some Krogan reinforcements to at least slow the Reaper advance. 

Time and again, Shepard was able to, if not succeed completely, accomplish his goals. But on Thessia, literally for the first time, he fails on almost every level. He fails to halt or slow the Reaper advance. He fails to get the data from the beacon, he's pissed that he found out that the Asari broke their own law in order to maintain their galactic dominance of "cultural superiority", he had his butt handed to him by Kai Leng, and so on.

And when his radio broke so he couldn't respond, and had to listen to the asari commandos who helped him get that far die hoping against hope that he succeeded, and watched the Reapers descending on Thessia, it was the straw that broke the camel's back.


And Shepard was still reeling from actually losing so completely. 

[Artifex_Imperius]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Joker's jokes are funny no matter who they are aimed at even if I like whatever they are aimed at because who gets upset when a VIDEO GAME character makes a joke against a VIDEO GAME character that you like...

upset? are you projecting the emotions you've felt reading the forums. need a hug? 
the joke did not target particular character? but then again you are projecting? chillax = chill and relax! its argument and counter argument for fun!

letting people see both sides of the coin.

[General TSAR]

Emotional railroading over the loss of a bunch of blue bimbos, who also have been secretly keeping brothean technology, on a planet we never set foot on before is ridiculous.

Don't even get me started on the lack of options to call the head bimbo out on her government's stupidity.

Modifié par General TSAR, 31 janvier 2014 - 03:03 .

[themikefest]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...


dude your problem you generalize too much? so if one black man is bad then all of them are bad? racist much?

So I'm a racist for not liking a fictional species?

[von uber]

Given how much people seem to hate characters,  races, dialogues,  endings,  choices it makes me wonder why people still play it!

[Coming0fShadows]

von uber wrote...

Given how much people seem to hate characters,  races, dialogues,  endings,  choices it makes me wonder why people still play it!

I was just thinking the same thing

[Artifex_Imperius]

themikefest wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...


dude your problem you generalize too much? so if one black man is bad then all of them are bad? racist much?

So I'm a racist for not liking a fictional species?

that is a question you can answer yourself. :innocent: but dont take it personally its all fictional!

[themikefest]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...


dude your problem you generalize too much? so if one black man is bad then all of them are bad? racist much?

So I'm a racist for not liking a fictional species?

that is a question you can answer yourself. :innocent: but dont take it personally its all fictional!

So why did you make that comment?

[Artifex_Imperius]

themikefest wrote...

So why did you make that comment?

wow this dude is really taking it personal! already off topic. somebody give this guy a hug:kissing:. dude if you cant asnwer that question yourself, i just dont know.  tip:read your posts! mwahaha.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 31 janvier 2014 - 03:21 .

[themikefest]

Hey dude!

This is how I felt about yelling at Joker. He didn't deserved to be yelled at even though I don't like the clown myself
I liked the joke no matter how corny it is. I wanted to laugh and tell my own joke. Was the joke made at the wrong time? No since the Asari  government didn't care about their own people dying and only worried about their own sorry *****.

[Oni Changas]

I'm torn. If only because of Liara (and to a lesser extent Samara) the joke was tasteless. I'd crack that joke on the asari's leadership before Thessia's roflstomping but not its civilians. I'd say Joker deserved worse. I'd have pulled him out the seat and called up Javik to threaten to space his insensitive ass. Or just told him that Liara's info was no longer the case regarding his sister.

[Derpy]

I love Joker and think hes funny. He makes ME3 better.

[General TSAR]

Samara would have killed the entire Asari leadership for hiding the Brothean tech.

[Sundance31us]

Why must we always get b**chy and snarky with each other? We're all here for the same reasons...free cake, cookies, Ryncol and occasional soft game p*rn.

[Endurium]

I'm getting Joker and EDI together but not telling them I intend to pick non-modded Destroy at the end.

[Derpy]

Endurium wrote...

I'm getting Joker and EDI together but not telling them I intend to pick non-modded Destroy at the end.

But dats meeaaan

Screw it im gona do that too.

[CrutchCricket]

wright1978 wrote...
I'm still mourning the loss of those neutral options in ME3.

Indeed.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
David and I disagreed on many things. One of them had to do with the necessity of the protagonist being the hero. I say that it is not a necessity. Anyone can be the hero of a story. The protagonist simply has to be the one with a solid story arc who holds everything together. Take any class or read any book on writing, and as a writer you may map out your protagonist's path to success, but you also need to put obstacles in that path. Without conflict, and without obstacles to overcome there is no story. 

Obstacles=/=everything must always go wrong. The way you wrote that, you were almost quoting David word for word. I always thought that was bull****.

von uber wrote...

I actually think the beacon on Thessia makes the Asari more interesting, as it show's they are just as devious and manipulative as all the other races. I wouldn't say they are 'special' in the slightest. Even from ME1 they are shown to be criminals and morally dubious. The problem was making them generic space babes, they should be much more interesting than that (as is hinted through their Justicar system for example).
Anyway, just as well Joker didn't make and gags about the Geth eh. Never hear the end of that. "Shepard was right for shouting at joker for nisultnig our beloved toasters..".

I like the beacon decision from a writer's perspective. It actually goes against "the asari are special" motif and makes the story more interesting. Are they naturally so advanced, graceful, biotically strong? Nope, protheans lol. And you're right there are plenty of low and dirty asari. The problem is that still, the tone of the game around the Thessia mission is forced emotion, as if the loss of the asari should be that much more grave than the loss of anybody else.

This is an asari. You like the asari. Now their world is burning. Feel sad. I said feel sad damnit!

[Barquiel]

No where in that scene is Shep crying about Thessia. Shep is upset she lost the Catalyst.

She says: "It's my job to be prepared-- no matter what. And now Thessia is lost, as is the Catalyst." And that's all she says about Thessia itself (while she spends the entire game moping about Earth). The rest of the conversations are about how she failed to stop Kai Leng/Cerberus, and failed to get the Catalyst. At this moment, Shep has no clue where Kai Leng went and we have no idea how to find him. Sure, we...the players know the game will end 3 missions later, but if we put ourselves in Shepards shoes. Of course she's stressed and feels hopeless (ME1 had a similar scene as well). I mean, you can tell Liara that we couldn't have stoped the reapers on Thessia even if we got there before cerberus (and since Vendetta said it was programmed to withhold the information about the Catalyst until the Crucible was built...the result would have been exactly the same). Shepards breakdown isn't because the reapers invaded Thessia.

Modifié par Barquiel, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:39 .

[shodiswe]

What people forget is that the shouting is, in part, Shepard venting out frustration about what just happend, Joker just provided a reason/opportunity to let it all out.