680 réponses à ce sujet

[Fisto The Sexbot]

DominusVita wrote...

Objectifying a human being, as a male or female, is still problematic.

Some people objectify themselves. The Witcher treats people as people, as they might behave in real life -- however ethical or unethical they might appear to behave.

Although it's often confused in real life as well, romance and sex are not the same.

Don't you get the achievement right after you bone? Added the fact that you can still treat them like crap or act like you don't care about them at all. That doesn't objectify them?

Try visiting her(or shani) at night.

It's not really something to take issue with. Does this really bother people that much? Oh, BSN.

Modifié par Fisto The Sexbot, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:02 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Frak cover.
I don't care who's on it. And neither should you.

People who are overly conderned about who's on the cover have their own agenda they are trying to push.

[shellys639]

when i saw this topic i was thinking love interest not topics of box art.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Wulfram wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

I could obviously see the difference if most women were scantily clad and men were always dressed, but that's not usually the case. Triss is fully clothed in The Witcher.

um...


But maybe you mean the sequel

 I did mean sequel. And in public.

I do agree that the character is 'sexualized' anyhow.

[Plaintiff]

FreshIstay wrote...
It is weird for Men to pose like Women do, but it's not weird for a Woman to pose like a Man in our Society, perhap's you have an opinion on why that is?

I think you missed the point of the article. Women do not really pose that way, nobody does. As the author himself notes, it's physically painful to do so. KiddDaBeauty's point is that the positions on the covers of those books are ridiculous and impossible, but female characters get drawn this way in art for videogames, comics and television specifically to emphasize their sexual characteristics, even when the pose makes absolutely no sense within the larger context of the situation.

Even in cases where men are heavily sexualised, such as say, in underwear modelling, they are rarely, if ever, asked to contort themselves in such a way.

What's with this conditioned word? You seem to imply that male's cannot determine for themselve's what they find attractive, I think we are pretty good at that.  Im not going to tell you that your "conditioned" for finding Male's that are portrayed in Media attractive.

Again, you've misread her post. You are not being conditioned to perceive these poses as sexy, even though the goal of that posing is adittedly to create a "sexy" look. You are being conditioned to perceive them as normal, even though they are demonstrably not normal. These poses are not realistic, when the author of that blog tried to imitate them, they gave him lasting back pain.

You personally may not find such poses sexy, but their intent is clear in the way that they emphasize the sexual charactersitics of the female body (breasts, buttocks, hips). Just because they don't turn you on personally doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. The problem is not whether or not you find such images "sexy", it's that you accept them as a "normal" representation of women when they are in fact a complete lie.

Male's are not Female's and Female's are not Male's. We tend to give off different signal's to one another, we are not the same and never will be because our Gender's demand it.  That does not mean Female's are the only gender that is subject to Objectification.

Women are not that different, they are still human and it shouldn't be too hard to see things from their perspective.

The point is that the signals being given out by these fictional females are fake. They are false signals being created by the unnatural and painful positioning of their bodies. Shepard and similar male characters are not giving out those signals because they are not being posed in a sexually suggestive fashion, such as making pouty faces to emphasize their lips, or contorting their bodies to show off their well-toned butts.

Unless you're suggesting that women give off a sexual vibe just by existing.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 18 décembre 2012 - 12:50 .

[Plaintiff]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Frak cover.
I don't care who's on it. And neither should you.

People who are overly conderned about who's on the cover have their own agenda they are trying to push.

God forbid anyone care about equal gender representation in videogames.

[SpunkyMonkey]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Why is that?

Because it's a setting where women literally throw themselves at Geralt (the player) in exchange for services (or for sometimes no reason at all).

The big one for me is the card collection, however, which plays into gamer tendencies to complete tasks given to them. By creating the card game for having sex with women, it explicitly makes every woman in the game a potential target, with the player wonder if there is a card for this woman, and what would it take to get this card. This is not a good thing because it then implicitly objectifies the women as being something to be accomplished - it was a goal to go and have sex with as many women as possible because the game will reward you with a type of content. Kudos to the women that find it silly (there is one on this board), but it actually made me feel uncomfortable because I didn't like the message the game was sending me and how my gamer mindset was originally perceiving it.

Even the second one jumps straight into the male gaze, with Triss being completely naked while Geralt is not.

The Witcher is embaressingly over-sexualized. For me it actually takes away from the game and cheapens it considerably.

As a red-blooded straight male I'm all for sleeping with as many women as I fancy and for others doing the same, but the way it was done in the Witcher was just so silly that it really detracted from the overall experience.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 18 décembre 2012 - 01:14 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...
Again, you've misread her post. You are not being conditioned to perceive these poses as sexy, even though the goal of that posing is adittedly to create a "sexy" look. You are being conditioned to perceive them as normal, even though they are demonstrably not normal. These poses are not realistic, when the author of that blog tried to imitate them, they gave him lasting back pain.

HAHAHAHA...Seripously? Conditioned?

What's next? You're gonna tell me that poepel watching MLP are conditioned to  percieve magical, talking ponies as normal?
I dunno about you, but people know the difference between RL and fiction and things like superhero comics are more removed from reality than fairy tales.
Does anyone consider those poses normal at all? I can't think of a single person who would think that.

[Fast Jimmy]

Plaintiff wrote...

Unless you're suggesting that women give off a sexual vibe just by existing.

Technically, females (and males) of the prime age for sexual reproduction will emit hormones and pheromones that will attract members of the opposite sex, regardless of their positioning of their bodies or their mental state.



But... since we are talking about cover art of a fictional, cartoon character for a video game box, I think this might not be the intent of your statement.





Also... 


...where did you get this picture of me?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Frak cover.
I don't care who's on it. And neither should you.

People who are overly conderned about who's on the cover have their own agenda they are trying to push.

God forbid anyone care about equal gender representation in videogames.

Equal representation is PC garbage, that's what it is.
An attempt to create "equality" by forcing numbers.
That doesn't make anyone equal. It's just window dressing.

Let the developers/publishers do their job.

[esper]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Again, you've misread her post. You are not being conditioned to perceive these poses as sexy, even though the goal of that posing is adittedly to create a "sexy" look. You are being conditioned to perceive them as normal, even though they are demonstrably not normal. These poses are not realistic, when the author of that blog tried to imitate them, they gave him lasting back pain.

HAHAHAHA...Seripously? Conditioned?

What's next? You're gonna tell me that poepel watching MLP are conditioned to  percieve magical, talking ponies as normal?
I dunno about you, but people know the difference between RL and fiction and things like superhero comics are more removed from reality than fairy tales.
Does anyone consider those poses normal at all? I can't think of a single person who would think that.

There is difference between one work or series showing something unrealistic because people expect it to be unrealistic, and different works (here covers) beginning to show such poses because it is the standard. With the latter reality will slowly becoming unrealistic in the mind of people.

Sexy femaly poses are in any case unrealistic and impossible for any human being to do (Or very daming if they tries). The very fact that those poses was countered with 'but female body and male body works differently' shows that, yes, some people are beginning to think that those poses are possible if not normal for the female body.

[Fast Jimmy]

esper wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Again, you've misread her post. You are not being conditioned to perceive these poses as sexy, even though the goal of that posing is adittedly to create a "sexy" look. You are being conditioned to perceive them as normal, even though they are demonstrably not normal. These poses are not realistic, when the author of that blog tried to imitate them, they gave him lasting back pain.

HAHAHAHA...Seripously? Conditioned?

What's next? You're gonna tell me that poepel watching MLP are conditioned to  percieve magical, talking ponies as normal?
I dunno about you, but people know the difference between RL and fiction and things like superhero comics are more removed from reality than fairy tales.
Does anyone consider those poses normal at all? I can't think of a single person who would think that.

There is difference between one work or series showing something unrealistic because people expect it to be unrealistic, and different works (here covers) beginning to show such poses because it is the standard. With the latter reality will slowly becoming unrealistic in the mind of people.

Sexy femaly poses are in any case unrealistic and impossible for any human being to do (Or very daming if they tries). The very fact that those poses was countered with 'but female body and male body works differently' shows that, yes, some people are beginning to think that those poses are possible if not normal for the female body.

I'm sorry... what poses are we talking about, exactly? I am not being antagonistic here, I just have lost track of what we are even talking about. Is there some new video game out with a women doing extreme Yoga poses, with her elbows under her feet and her legs over the top of her shoulders or something?

Saying that women are depicted unrealistically is totally fair. Saying that there are poses often used which are impossible...? Not sure what that even means.

[esper]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

esper wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
Again, you've misread her post. You are not being conditioned to perceive these poses as sexy, even though the goal of that posing is adittedly to create a "sexy" look. You are being conditioned to perceive them as normal, even though they are demonstrably not normal. These poses are not realistic, when the author of that blog tried to imitate them, they gave him lasting back pain.

HAHAHAHA...Seripously? Conditioned?

What's next? You're gonna tell me that poepel watching MLP are conditioned to  percieve magical, talking ponies as normal?
I dunno about you, but people know the difference between RL and fiction and things like superhero comics are more removed from reality than fairy tales.
Does anyone consider those poses normal at all? I can't think of a single person who would think that.

There is difference between one work or series showing something unrealistic because people expect it to be unrealistic, and different works (here covers) beginning to show such poses because it is the standard. With the latter reality will slowly becoming unrealistic in the mind of people.

Sexy femaly poses are in any case unrealistic and impossible for any human being to do (Or very daming if they tries). The very fact that those poses was countered with 'but female body and male body works differently' shows that, yes, some people are beginning to think that those poses are possible if not normal for the female body.

I'm sorry... what poses are we talking about, exactly? I am not being antagonistic here, I just have lost track of what we are even talking about. Is there some new video game out with a women doing extreme Yoga poses, with her elbows under her feet and her legs over the top of her shoulders or something?

Saying that women are depicted unrealistically is totally fair. Saying that there are poses often used which are impossible...? Not sure what that even means.

Kiddsbeautys example, and Freshlstays answer, sorry for the really long quoate didn't want to cut out context:

FreshIstay wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Not
the same thing. Those men are always depicted as active participants in
what they do. The main point is to drive home that they're powerful
characters who get stuff done. If a straight woman happens to find them
good looking that's just a nice bonus, but it is nowhere near the
primary point of their designs and poses.

So, In the
confine's of the dragon age series I can make the arguement that there
Is only ONE empowered Male character who had the ability to make stuff
happen. The rest of them are Female. In term's of Western Media i can
point out plenty of example's of strong empowered women. I'd also like
to remind you that when a straight male happens to find a women good
looking on a cover It's just a nice bonus to us as well.

When
a woman is fit in tight spandex, she's usually primarily posed and
designed to look good from the perspective of a straight man. The main
point doesn't tend to be about making sure she looks empowered, rather
to point out how nice it would be for a man to tap dat.

Relatively,
this is picture that portrays spandex-clad women far better than most
do. Yet I truly wonder why her back must be poised in a completely
impossible way to better accentuate her breasts and buttocks while she's
taking down these mooks?

So.... If she wasnt poised in
that postion male's would find her less attractive? I doubt it. and you
certainly have a very acurate physco-analysis as to why she's poised in
the postion that she Is in, Alot of women i know post pictures in the
same position's with the same amount of clothing on Facebook. But  I've
never seen that on a video game cover.

You may also wish to look at some real life shots
of just how silly it looks when a man tries to pose like ladies tend to
do in our media. You'll find that what you're conditioned to find as
"normal" in depictions of women is actually... pretty darn weird. (I
would have thought The Shape of Desire cover was fine if I hadn't seen
him striking the pose, for instance)

It is weird for
Men to pose like Women do, but it's not weird for a Woman to pose like a
Man in our Society, perhap's you have an opinion on why that is? 

What's
with this conditioned word? You seem to imply that male's cannot
determine for themselve's what they find attractive, I think we are
pretty good at that.  Im not going to tell you that your "conditioned"
for finding Male's that are portrayed in Media attractive.

Bottomline,
two characters in spandex with "perfect bodies" do not necessarily give
out the same signals to the reader. Usually the character's gender will
be the factor that decides how they will be portrayed, though it is
thankfully not true 100% of the time.

Male's are not
Female's and Female's are not Male's. We tend to give off different
signal's to one another, we are not the same and never will be because
our Gender's demand it.  That does not mean Female's are the only gender
that is subject to Objectification.

Bottomline is that, these example are not the only ones. Having read/watched/played a lotthe only conclusion I can come to is that when it comes to the visible mediums 90% woman a poses in sexy, but unviable way.

Modifié par esper, 18 décembre 2012 - 01:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Frak cover.
I don't care who's on it. And neither should you.

People who are overly conderned about who's on the cover have their own agenda they are trying to push.

God forbid anyone care about equal gender representation in videogames.

Equal representation is PC garbage, that's what it is.
An attempt to create "equality" by forcing numbers.
That doesn't make anyone equal. It's just window dressing.

Let the developers/publishers do their job.

If what's on the cover doesn't matter, then you lose nothing by equal represtation... unless you have a personal investment in unequal representation. If so, what is it? If not, why do you care either way?

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Not making the Witcher = pandering to womenfolk.

How far up your ass do you have to be to think those are equivalent?

Oh I dont know, how far up your ass did you have to go to make that baseless accusation? Please highlight in bold the part of my original post where I said anything remotely like that, also while you are at it highlight the part of my original post where I said "If a game doesnt feature the oversexualization of women and is blatantly sexist it is pandering to women" for everyone since that is what a lot of people are claiming I said.

brushyourteeth wrote...

This may come as a shock to a few of you, but men and women aren't really all that different from one another.

The DA team could just, you know, be making the game they want to make and trusting that people will like it. The same way that both men and women like hiking or pancakes. Not all of them will, but maybe gender has a lot less to do with it than you'd think.

Oh but we are different from one another, want to know an even bigger shocker? People of different races and cultures are different too!



However before you all go ahead and point the racism stick at me as well just consider this, it isnt racist or sexist to acknowledge our differences, however to cover up and hide our differences or refuse to acknowledge our differences as if we should be ashamed of them is just another form of racism in itself. Now personally I always thought that was what made the world great, that we are all different, that the world is full of unique people and cultures, we should be celebrating our differences not sweeping them under a rug. Perhaps this post will be deleted, perhaps these forums arent mature enough to discuss such matters, perhaps most of you arent able to treat your fellow human beings as equals without pretending that our differences dont exist but it is something that needs to be said, if you feel so threatened by someone's differences whether they be man, woman, black, white, gay or Japanese that you need to pretend that they dont exist then perhaps it is you who needs to look in the mirror and grow up.

The Grey Nayr wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Not trying to be sexist just curious but for some reason the whole Dragon Age series seems like it is written to appeal more to the female audience, anyone else get this impression? Not having a go at anyone I just find it 'unique', to be fair it would seem most games these days are writen to appeal more to males, I mean we got the far superior Witcher series so I guess it is about time women got a series of games made to appeal more to them, all the more power to ya girlfriend.

I'm uncertain what we do for female fans that we don't also regularly do for male fans. I suppose if the Witcher series is the benchmark you're using, the difference might make it seem unbalanced, but that's a rather dubious measuring stick if you ask me.

It's nice that you throw the female fans a bone, however, "far inferior" as it might be. I'm sure they all appreciate the magnanimous effort that must take on your part.

Isn't the writing team for DA primarily female? Maybe the OP can sense that somehow in the style of writing.

Really that is interesting, I diddnt know that, perhaps that is what I was sensing and not the lack of sexism as everyone was so quick to suggest.

d4eaming wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Why is it this forum seems to see the use of the word "mysogonist" and its various conjugative forms used all over the place as if it was as commonplace a word as "and" or "the"? Do you even know what the word means?

Have these forums become a nexus for uppity, over-sensitive individuals who to seem to WANT to take offence to anything and everything that they can?

Because casual misogyny is a problem? If you're male, then you're already socially guided to not see it.

I love how pointing out gender inequality makes us "uppity". That there is a big fat clue that 1) you have no idea what you are even talking about, and 2) you're already towing the party line that women wanting equality means women want to gain power over men.

Good job.

I am not saying sexism and racism dont exist but as clearly shown in this thread a lot of people look for racism and sexism where it doesnt exist, based on what I have seen so far I cant say I disagree with Myrmedus' assessment of the forums.

[Kidd]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

You're saying that muscular men are about as equally attractive to women as women with shaved heads are to men? I'm not sure I get the gist.

Decide where you want your goalposts. Do you stick to "taste is subjective and you can't claim everyone feels the same attributes are attractive?" This latest post seems to once again hint at you feeling - and I would definitely agree - that there are trends of what people generally find attractive and what not. That is not what I argued against, however.

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

My point was an idealized version of a person is not intrinsically different from a model considered generally attractive because those idealized versions that people create of themselves are generally designed to meet the preferences of society. They are not created in a vacuum. "Male power fantasies" cannot only appeal to men, and that's why.

I would imagine that if you asked a lot of women if Superman is hot, most would say they've never thought of him that way. That is of course, just my guess. Reverse the question with Wonder Woman and men? I would imagine the results would be very different.

FreshIstay wrote...

So, In the confine's of the dragon age series I can make the arguement that there Is only ONE empowered Male character who had the ability to make stuff happen. The rest of them are Female. In term's of Western Media i can point out plenty of example's of strong empowered women. I'd also like to remind you that when a straight male happens to find a women good looking on a cover It's just a nice bonus to us as well.

We're speaking design, no? I know I was. Plot has nothing to do with it. Wonder Woman has plenty of agency and is empowered plot-wise, it's her design and constant posing there's problems with.

FreshIstay wrote...

So.... If she wasnt poised in that postion male's would find her less attractive? I doubt it. and you certainly have a very acurate physco-analysis as to why she's poised in the postion that she Is in, Alot of women i know post pictures in the same position's with the same amount of clothing on Facebook. But  I've never seen that on a video game cover.

I would hope men wouldn't find her less attractive if she posed in poses that were physically impossible to take, yes. The idea is that she is even hotter that way though, hence that's how she's drawn. It's an incredibly usual way of posing women in media to show off as many assets as possible in one shot, of course always done with the intention of doing just that.

FreshIstay wrote...

It is weird for Men to pose like Women do, but it's not weird for a Woman to pose like a Man in our Society, perhap's you have an opinion on why that is?

I do. We've found ways upon ways to look at women in a sexually charged and submissive manner. Men get to have the privilege of being people of action instead. A woman trying to show her strength and take on a traditionally male pose is thus an empowered woman who shows control of her own life. A man posing in a boob-and-butt shot is objectified, and we're not used to seeing objectified men, hence it feels very off.

FreshIstay wrote...

What's with this conditioned word? You seem to imply that male's cannot determine for themselve's what they find attractive, I think we are pretty good at that.  Im not going to tell you that your "conditioned" for finding Male's that are portrayed in Media attractive.

Perish the thought, I apologise if that's how I came off. I put my own feelings on how I didn't react to one of the covers before I saw a man posing like that to show that I, as a woman, am very much "conditioned" along the same lines. I do not like it, but I'm a product of my own upbringing just as much as anybody else. I'm typing this reply on a pink keyboard after all, even though I indeed know pink has only been a "feminine" colour in the past 30 or so years and thus there is no real reason for me to favour a pink one over any other colour. Since I'm less than 30 years old myself, I grew up with the colour pink and it attracts me. So I like this keyboard, and my pink DS and my pink xbox controller, as silly as that is when I think about it.

FreshIstay wrote...

Male's are not Female's and Female's are not Male's. We tend to give off different signal's to one another, we are not the same and never will be because our Gender's demand it.  That does not mean Female's are the only gender that is subject to Objectification.

I'm not saying female objectification always happens, nor that male objectification never happens. But there is a huge trend of things being just like that. As for the "women will be women, men will be men" thing, I wonder what that really means in reality. It sounds eerily similar to when I'm asked 20 questions of gaming when I meet certain people in the gaming world so they can check whether I'm a legit girl gamer or just an attention seeker.

[Xilizhra]

However before you all go ahead and point the racism stick at me as well just consider this, it isnt racist or sexist to acknowledge our differences, however to cover up and hide our differences or refuse to acknowledge our differences as if we should be ashamed of them is just another form of racism in itself. Now personally I always thought that was what made the world great, that we are all different, that the world is full of unique people and cultures, we should be celebrating our differences not sweeping them under a rug. Perhaps this post will be deleted, perhaps these forums arent mature enough to discuss such matters, perhaps most of you arent able to treat your fellow human beings as equals without pretending that our differences dont exist but it is something that needs to be said, if you feel so threatened by someone's differences whether they be man, woman, black, white, gay or Japanese that you need to pretend that they dont exist then perhaps it is you who needs to look in the mirror and grow up.

No cultural or racial differences of any significance are inherent. People of different races and cultures aren't different so much as they have different experiences. There may be more inherent differences between women and men, but different experiences account for a great deal.

I am not saying sexism and racism dont exist but as clearly shown in this thread a lot of people look for racism and sexism where it doesnt exist, based on what I have seen so far I cant say I disagree with Myrmedus' assessment of the forums.

It exists in many more places than many people, particularly of privileged classes, are willing to admit. Don't be so quick to discount observation as paranoia.

[Plaintiff]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
...where did you get this picture of me?

I'm sorry Jimmy. I should've told you I keep mementos of all my sexual conquests.

[Gandalf-the-Fabulous]

Xilizhra wrote...

However before you all go ahead and point the racism stick at me as well just consider this, it isnt racist or sexist to acknowledge our differences, however to cover up and hide our differences or refuse to acknowledge our differences as if we should be ashamed of them is just another form of racism in itself. Now personally I always thought that was what made the world great, that we are all different, that the world is full of unique people and cultures, we should be celebrating our differences not sweeping them under a rug. Perhaps this post will be deleted, perhaps these forums arent mature enough to discuss such matters, perhaps most of you arent able to treat your fellow human beings as equals without pretending that our differences dont exist but it is something that needs to be said, if you feel so threatened by someone's differences whether they be man, woman, black, white, gay or Japanese that you need to pretend that they dont exist then perhaps it is you who needs to look in the mirror and grow up.

No cultural or racial differences of any significance are inherent. People of different races and cultures aren't different so much as they have different experiences. There may be more inherent differences between women and men, but different experiences account for a great deal.

I am not saying sexism and racism dont exist but as clearly shown in this thread a lot of people look for racism and sexism where it doesnt exist, based on what I have seen so far I cant say I disagree with Myrmedus' assessment of the forums.

It exists in many more places than many people, particularly of privileged classes, are willing to admit. Don't be so quick to discount observation as paranoia.

But it is alright to jump to conclusions and discount my observations as sexism? I know racism and sexism when I see it and I also know when people are hiding behind these issues when they clearly arent the issue.

[Dhiro]

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
...where did you get this picture of me?

I'm sorry Jimmy. I should've told you I keep mementos of all my sexual conquests.

You'll have to tell me why he's called Fast Jimmy, then.

[Kidd]

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
...where did you get this picture of me?

I'm sorry Jimmy. I should've told you I keep mementos of all my sexual conquests.

... desire to write fanfiction, rising...

[hoorayforicecream]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

But it is alright to jump to conclusions and discount my observations as sexism? I know racism and sexism when I see it and I also know when people are hiding behind these issues when they clearly arent the issue.

Based on your posts in this thread, I am not sure I agree with either of your assertions here.

[Lotion Soronarr]

esper wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
HAHAHAHA...Seripously? Conditioned?

What's next? You're gonna tell me that poepel watching MLP are conditioned to  percieve magical, talking ponies as normal?
I dunno about you, but people know the difference between RL and fiction and things like superhero comics are more removed from reality than fairy tales.
Does anyone consider those poses normal at all? I can't think of a single person who would think that.

There is difference between one work or series showing something unrealistic because people expect it to be unrealistic, and different works (here covers) beginning to show such poses because it is the standard. With the latter reality will slowly becoming unrealistic in the mind of people.

err...no.
Not really.

Sexy femaly poses are in any case unrealistic and impossible for any human being to do (Or very daming if they tries). The very fact that those poses was countered with 'but female body and male body works differently' shows that, yes, some people are beginning to think that those poses are possible if not normal for the female body.

Congratulations. You found out there are stupid people in the world.
Now what does this have to do with poses? Nothing really.

Or are you arguing that we should bad anything unrealistic, before people start beliving in it?

[Fast Jimmy]

Dhiro wrote...

You'll have to tell me why he's called Fast Jimmy, then.

A gentleman never asks... a lady never tells!

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
...where did you get this picture of me?

I'm sorry Jimmy. I should've told you I keep mementos of all my sexual conquests.

... desire to write fanfiction, rising...

I'm too sexy for my shirt... too sexy for my shirt... so sexy it hurts!

[syllogi]

What is this thread about, at this point? I mean, I would like to see more diversity in the representation of the player character in advertising (I think that's what this was originally about, right?). But now it's all over the place, and I'm not sure what some people are passionately defending and/or getting angry about.

When it comes to advertising video games towards women, I don't even know what that would look like, because it's something that doesn't happen right now. I really wouldn't want that if it looked like Lisa Frank threw up all over my favorite games, for instance. I think that it's very possible to create a marketing campaign that doesn't exclude female players and female player characters, while also appealing to male players.