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The few seconds you were telling me that the few seconds that I wasted writing that post are a few seconds you could've been doing something productiveMaria Caliban wrote...
That few seconds you wrote out this post were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive.Mr Deathbot wrote...
I suppose that's understandable. But that few seconds you were switching covers were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive
I know, right? Yay Bioware and it's awesome fans!KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I mean, the first time I random'd one of those farming geth matches on Firebase White, I had no idea what was going on and tried to open up an escape route for what I assumed was an inexperienced group. Cue me dying and completely breaking formation when I'm the first and only person out of cover. Yet there wasn't even any complaints about me ruining the game (not even gender-neutral ones!), instead one of the guys just inquired if this is the first time I played "one of these games" - and obviously it was. Cue drama free explanation.
Goddamn I love this company and its fans. <3
What could possibly be more productive? Heck, when I was at Toys 'R Us last month, I flipped the cover of a discounted copy they had in there ^^
Mr Deathbot wrote...
The few seconds you were telling me that the few seconds that I wasted writing that post are a few seconds you could've been doing something productive
Modifié par Bfler, 19 décembre 2012 - 07:46 .
Hey it's 12:41 where I am so you have it easier.Blue Gloves wrote...
Mr Deathbot wrote...
The few seconds you were telling me that the few seconds that I wasted writing that post are a few seconds you could've been doing something productive
Quiet you!!!! I'm still ticked off about the doughnut thing! Where in the name of all that is holy am I supposed to find a doughnut on this island at 9:40 at night?!!?
Modifié par FreshIstay, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .
Wow.... I will not lie I have never noticed any of that until you pointed it out.FreshIstay wrote...
I dont share the belief that Dragon Age is slanted towards any gender. However, I can understand why some Male's express the view, Andraste is widely revered throughout Thedas she was killed by a Maeferath out of Jealousy, there isnt a male Divine which is essentially equivalent to the pope, Flemeth's legend is one that tell's of her "using men until they are spent" and then killing them, High Dragon's are Female, Meridith dwarf's Orsino, Female Qunari are the brains of the operation, Anora is regarded as the person who really ruled, not Cailin. Female Companion storyline's are better written and seem to be more integral to the overall plot. I really dont mind personally, but I can understand someone who says it seems that way.
Thank you I will pay more attention to detail nowFreshIstay wrote...
@ Mr Deathbot
"Attention to Detail" - friggin bootcamp
brushyourteeth wrote...
Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
brushyourteeth wrote...
This may come as a shock to a few of you, but men and women aren't really all that different from one another.
The DA team could just, you know, be making the game they want to make and trusting that people will like it. The same way that both men and women like hiking or pancakes. Not all of them will, but maybe gender has a lot less to do with it than you'd think.
Oh but we are different from one another, want to know an even bigger shocker? People of different races and cultures are different too!
However before you all go ahead and point the racism stick at me as well just consider this, it isnt racist or sexist to acknowledge our differences, however to cover up and hide our differences or refuse to acknowledge our differences as if we should be ashamed of them is just another form of racism in itself. Now personally I always thought that was what made the world great, that we are all different, that the world is full of unique people and cultures, we should be celebrating our differences not sweeping them under a rug. Perhaps this post will be deleted, perhaps these forums arent mature enough to discuss such matters, perhaps most of you arent able to treat your fellow human beings as equals without pretending that our differences dont exist but it is something that needs to be said, if you feel so threatened by someone's differences whether they be man, woman, black, white, gay or Japanese that you need to pretend that they dont exist then perhaps it is you who needs to look in the mirror and grow up.
I'm not sure what inspired this weird of a response.
Race wasn't ever part of (at least my part of) the discussion. And I won't say that men and women don't have differences -- what I am saying is that Dragon Age doesn't need to change anything in order to appeal to me, and I am female. Clearly, men and women can like the same things. And thank goodness --- I hate to see what would happen if the gaming industry decided that there needed to be *manly* games and separate *girly* games. As it is, I don't think that the average male gamer is notably sexist. So to see such bizarre comments and defensiveness from some of the dudes on this forum is flat-out shocking to me. Nobody's trying to take over your hobby, dude. I just like the same things that you do. Make room on the couch and share the popcorn like a big kid. The community's better with both genders in it anyway.
Modifié par Gandalf-the-Fabulous, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:16 .
Hmmm you make some valid points you still have yet to show any proof of why you feel DA is leaning towards females.Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
brushyourteeth wrote...
Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
brushyourteeth wrote...
This may come as a shock to a few of you, but men and women aren't really all that different from one another.
The DA team could just, you know, be making the game they want to make and trusting that people will like it. The same way that both men and women like hiking or pancakes. Not all of them will, but maybe gender has a lot less to do with it than you'd think.
Oh but we are different from one another, want to know an even bigger shocker? People of different races and cultures are different too!
However before you all go ahead and point the racism stick at me as well just consider this, it isnt racist or sexist to acknowledge our differences, however to cover up and hide our differences or refuse to acknowledge our differences as if we should be ashamed of them is just another form of racism in itself. Now personally I always thought that was what made the world great, that we are all different, that the world is full of unique people and cultures, we should be celebrating our differences not sweeping them under a rug. Perhaps this post will be deleted, perhaps these forums arent mature enough to discuss such matters, perhaps most of you arent able to treat your fellow human beings as equals without pretending that our differences dont exist but it is something that needs to be said, if you feel so threatened by someone's differences whether they be man, woman, black, white, gay or Japanese that you need to pretend that they dont exist then perhaps it is you who needs to look in the mirror and grow up.
I'm not sure what inspired this weird of a response.
Race wasn't ever part of (at least my part of) the discussion. And I won't say that men and women don't have differences -- what I am saying is that Dragon Age doesn't need to change anything in order to appeal to me, and I am female. Clearly, men and women can like the same things. And thank goodness --- I hate to see what would happen if the gaming industry decided that there needed to be *manly* games and separate *girly* games. As it is, I don't think that the average male gamer is notably sexist. So to see such bizarre comments and defensiveness from some of the dudes on this forum is flat-out shocking to me. Nobody's trying to take over your hobby, dude. I just like the same things that you do. Make room on the couch and share the popcorn like a big kid. The community's better with both genders in it anyway.
Well since everyone falsly made the claim that it was "Misogyny" to identify that men and women have their differences I decided to make my point using race as an example. I never said anything along the lines of excluding women from playing video games and if you wish to play video games then that is fine by me. That being said however I think it is pretty clear that a game like the Witcher is aimed more at the male audience, I am sure there are plenty of women who do enjoy the Witcher and that is totally fine however I do feel it would be fair to say they are in minority, nothing sexist about that comment as it isnt a game that would usually appeal to that demographic. Feel free to tell me I am wrong but that being said I think you would also have a hard time finding many guys who are fans of the Twighlight books either.
This is not to say that girls cant like guy stuff and guys cant like girl stuff, I mean look at the bronies, grown men who actively admit that they enjoy watching a show that is primarily made for and marketed towards 12 year old girls, if that is what they enjoy doing then who am I to tell them they are wrong? I mean given the circumstances I guess it is no wonder so many of them are also attracted to the Dragon Age series as well.
Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:29 .
you're welcome, I hate that so many who might enjoy a multi player campaign shy away from trying it b/c of the awful conditions. Similarly, it sucks that there may be multiplayer experiences out there that appeal to you that the bullies and jerks have effectively ruined. <insert sad panda icon here>Boiny Bunny wrote...
Thanks for sharing - reading your story brings back feelings of profound disappointment for what seems to be the vast majority of the modern-age gaming community. Personally, I tend to avoid multiplayer games altogether nowadays, especially FPS games (e.g. CoD, Halo), as they seem to draw the most immature crowds together. Which is a shame - I used to very much enjoy multiplayer games in my youth (Baldurs Gate as an excellent example).
I recall a good few years ago, I became so frustrated with the preconceptions associated with gender that I deleted my old BSN account, and created a new one with the express purpose of not revealing my gender to anybody, and avoiding the trouble that went with it. At the time (pre ME1-release), the Asari icon seemed appropriate (given their lack of 'genders'), though turned out to be a mistake, as many would simply (incorrectly) assume that I was female - as you can tell, I've given up at this point.
All that comes to mind when reading through this thread is 'male priviledge' (for anybody familiar with the term).
Blue Gloves wrote...
Agreed, while I'm not really terribly butt-hurt over having dude-with-gun on most covers, I do feel like it's just another way to perpetuate the straight white male gamer stereotype, and I think it would be a positive and refreshing change to see the female version of a non set protagonist on boxcover art and in marketing.
As an aside: I want to be clear on one point- I have played with more non-friends in the ME3 miltiplayer than I have in any other game, ever. While playing ME3 I have never ONCE felt talked down to, coddled or hated on for being a girl, and I've unmuted my mic on several occasions. As a matter of fact, I made a real life friend when I turned off my mic during a session b/c a guy mentioned the surf out at Chinaman's Hat and we've since met up and caught some waves together. In general (barring the few trolls that hang out wherever you go), I've found the atmosphere of acceptance in Bioware communities to encouraging, and I tribute the majority of that to the dev's and their espousal of inclusiveness. (inclusivity? are either of those words?) So cap's off to the Bioware ohana, and cap's off again for allowing and participating in a discussion like this on your forums.
Let's be honest. If I weren't posting here, I'd just be reading Mass Effect porn.Mr Deathbot wrote...
The few seconds you were telling me that the few seconds that I wasted writing that post are a few seconds you could've been doing something productiveMaria Caliban wrote...
That few seconds you wrote out this post were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive.Mr Deathbot wrote...
I suppose that's understandable. But that few seconds you were switching covers were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive
Blue Gloves wrote...
Wow- the Asari icon is appropriate, and it's really sad that anyone has to pretend to be another gender, or attempt complete neutrality, in order to be taken seriously. This is why I am so positive about the current push in North American culture to reverse gender-normative stereotypes. It's nice to imagine that one day my grandkids (or dare I hope, my son) will not be judged because any future actions he may take or ideals he may espouse just because said actions and ideals could be "typically female"
Mr Deathbot wrote...
Hmmm you make some valid points you still have yet to show any proof of why you feel DA is leaning towards females.
The difference is that she's playing on XBox and you're playing on PC.SilentK wrote...
@ Blue Gloves, sorry that that group behaved so badly. Maybe the 25:th time they hear a female voice while playing they actually get the point that women play games too
SilentK wrote...
Blue Gloves wrote...
Agreed, while I'm not really terribly butt-hurt over having dude-with-gun on most covers, I do feel like it's just another way to perpetuate the straight white male gamer stereotype, and I think it would be a positive and refreshing change to see the female version of a non set protagonist on boxcover art and in marketing.
As an aside: I want to be clear on one point- I have played with more non-friends in the ME3 miltiplayer than I have in any other game, ever. While playing ME3 I have never ONCE felt talked down to, coddled or hated on for being a girl, and I've unmuted my mic on several occasions. As a matter of fact, I made a real life friend when I turned off my mic during a session b/c a guy mentioned the surf out at Chinaman's Hat and we've since met up and caught some waves together. In general (barring the few trolls that hang out wherever you go), I've found the atmosphere of acceptance in Bioware communities to encouraging, and I tribute the majority of that to the dev's and their espousal of inclusiveness. (inclusivity? are either of those words?) So cap's off to the Bioware ohana, and cap's off again for allowing and participating in a discussion like this on your forums.
Remember playing ME3 MP one evening, time is almost up and one of the team is a little bit away from the extraction point. A female voice says "On my way back, don't worry". And that was the first time I heard another woman in the game, I just wish I had a mic myself at that point so I could say something fun back. It just made me so happy. I was a total fan-woman at that point. Silly glad.
besides your proof of women having all the power in DA univeres (I doubt that's enough)FreshIstay wrote...
Mr Deathbot wrote...
Hmmm you make some valid points you still have yet to show any proof of why you feel DA is leaning towards females.
Man...i thought me and you had that covered.
Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:52 .
Reading?!?!?!?!?!?!Maria Caliban wrote...
Let's be honest. If I weren't posting here, I'd just be reading Mass Effect porn.Mr Deathbot wrote...
The few seconds you were telling me that the few seconds that I wasted writing that post are a few seconds you could've been doing something productiveMaria Caliban wrote...
That few seconds you wrote out this post were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive.Mr Deathbot wrote...
I suppose that's understandable. But that few seconds you were switching covers were a few seconds you could've been doing something productive
Maria Caliban wrote...
The difference is that she's playing on XBox and you're playing on PC.
His son won't be mocked, bullied or judged for being a "typical male".FreshIstay wrote...
Blue Gloves wrote...
Wow- the Asari icon is appropriate, and it's really sad that anyone has to pretend to be another gender, or attempt complete neutrality, in order to be taken seriously. This is why I am so positive about the current push in North American culture to reverse gender-normative stereotypes. It's nice to imagine that one day my grandkids (or dare I hope, my son) will not be judged because any future actions he may take or ideals he may espouse just because said actions and ideals could be "typically female"
To reverse them or to Change them?
I hope your concerned for you son being considered "typically male" as well.
I've actually run into a ton of women on Xbox (I wouldn't know anything about PC though) Though IDK how many I've ran into recently considering I'm always In a solo party chat just so I don't have to listen to people, I assume nobody has anything woth while to sayBlue Gloves wrote...
Maria Caliban wrote...
The difference is that she's playing on XBox and you're playing on PC.
Are there typically more women on the PC version? I'm not very savvy when it comes to this sort of thing- I really only like my XBox b/c I like sitting in my living room and looking at the giant screen when I play, but if the environment is noticably more female friendly on the PC- that might be my excuse to buy an awesome new rig and make the switch.
Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 19 décembre 2012 - 08:58 .
SilentK wrote...
@ Blue Gloves, sorry that that group behaved so badly. Maybe the 25:th time they hear a female voice while playing they actually get the point that women play games too
Yeah you don't want to be treated with the same respect that men have for eachotherFreshIstay wrote...
SilentK wrote...
@ Blue Gloves, sorry that that group behaved so badly. Maybe the 25:th time they hear a female voice while playing they actually get the point that women play games too
Im sure most male's are aware female's play game's, If it make's you feel any better alot of us Harass, Joke, and Belittle eachother on MMO's as well, I guess you expect a heightened level of sensitivity because your Female, but then expect to be treated like "one of the guy's" or with the same respect that men treat eachother with, which i can assure you, especially in multiplayer's, is very little to none.
Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 19 décembre 2012 - 09:06 .
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