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[Allan Schumacher]

Now Im trully confused, explain this to me.

If i posed as a Female wouldnt you treat me like a Female?

If I posed as a Male wouldn't you treat me like a Male?

Or are you saying you want Men to treat you like a Man, or that you dont want to be treated like a Female by Men?

The
whole pricncipal is confusing to me because there isn't anywhere I can
go and say "Treat me like one of the Girl's" or perhaps there is and Im
unware, I shall do some research and infiltrate your evil minds

The issue is more that they feel they are treated worse when treated as a female. I think the most telling thing is that, while online, many women would rather have the online strangers think they are a man rather than a woman, in large part because a woman can take a litany of abuse simply because they are a woman.

I have women friends that have played WoW, and they stopped using their mics if they were playing with strangers, because the fact that they were a woman meant that they were now being treated differently, often in an unpleasant way.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 19 décembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[Mr Deathbot]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Now Im trully confused, explain this to me.

If i posed as a Female wouldnt you treat me like a Female?

If I posed as a Male wouldn't you treat me like a Male?

Or are you saying you want Men to treat you like a Man, or that you dont want to be treated like a Female by Men?

The
whole pricncipal is confusing to me because there isn't anywhere I can
go and say "Treat me like one of the Girl's" or perhaps there is and Im
unware, I shall do some research and infiltrate your evil minds

The issue is more that they feel they are treated worse when treated as a female. I think the most telling thing is that, while online, many women would rather have the online strangers think they are a man rather than a woman, in large part because a woman can take a litany of abuse simply because they are a woman.

I have women friends that have played WoW, and they stopped using their mics if they were playing with strangers, because the fact that they were a woman meant that they were now being treated differently, often in an unpleasant way.


As a male, I have never felt like I was more of a victim because people knew I was a male.  Ever.

I think the problem is that it's the internet and people feel like the have more freedom to say and do what they want just because they aren't face to face with someone

[Blue Gloves]

Allan Schumacher wrote...


The issue is more that they feel they are treated worse when treated as a female.

That is certainly an issue for me.  The icident I mentioned before?  Before I slipped up and let the rest of the team hear my voice, several of them actually gave me variations of the 'ataboy.  Apparantly my lack of a phallus invalidated all that.

[Mr Deathbot]

Blue Gloves wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...


The issue is more that they feel they are treated worse when treated as a female.

That is certainly an issue for me.  The icident I mentioned before?  Before I slipped up and let the rest of the team hear my voice, several of them actually gave me variations of the 'ataboy.  Apparantly my lack of a phallus invalidated all that.

It's kind of sad this happens. In the words of Mr. Tourge  "THERE'S NOTHING MORE BADASS THAN TREATING A LADY WITH RESPECT"  Oh Borderlands 2 how I love thee

Modifié par Mr Deathbot, 19 décembre 2012 - 10:32 .

[Kidd]

Blue Gloves wrote...

This is why I am so positive about the current push in North American culture to reverse gender-normative stereotypes.  It's nice to imagine that one day my grandkids (or dare I hope, my son) will not be judged because any future actions he may take or ideals he may espouse just because said actions and ideals could be "typically female"

"Ten years, a hundred years from now, someone like me will love someone like you and there will be no templars to tear them apart."

Felt oddly relevant. Please excuse the gush.

FreshIstay wrote...

Im sure most male's are aware female's play game's, If it make's you feel any better alot of us Harass, Joke, and Belittle eachother on MMO's as well, I guess you expect a heightened level of sensitivity because your Female, but then expect to be treated like "one of the guy's" or with the same respect that men treat eachother with, which i can assure you, especially in multiplayer's, is very little to none.

Please, I'm sure adult women are perfectly capable of noticing if the atmosphere changes once their gender gets known.

Commander Kurt wrote...

This also ties in to the question I have when it comes to your post. Could it be that you perceive it that way because it's so rare to see something so equal? I mean, The Maker is still male, pretty much all of the nobility that we see are male, the qunari are perfectly 50/50 (society stands on three legs, one male, one female and one either), the vicecount in Kirkwall is male, Anora is NOT regarded to be able to rule without a man at all, and I dare you to find companions more integral to the plot than Alistair/Anders. Or did I misunderstand, are you merely making the point that others may see the representation in-game as predominantly female even though it's actually pretty equal?

Let's not forget the point that was made earlier about dragons. High dragons being female came up, but hey, old gods are male. Ancient all powerful dragons(old) > huge dragons(high) > normal dragons(drake), no?

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I doubt any of the early box art concepts still exist, but they were based around this logo and colour style:

http://www.wallpowpe...age-origins.jpg

Hotlink disabler. Could you host the picture off site or link to a page that displays it?

FreshIstay wrote...

Now Im trully confused, explain this to me.

If i posed as a Female wouldnt you treat me like a Female? 

If I posed as a Male wouldn't you treat me like a Male?

You're a person we see online on a message board. Why would we care what gender you are? That's kind of the problem, that a lot of people feel the need to hide what gender they are because others do care - and suddenly change how they act.

[Allan Schumacher]

Here is a website of women gamers posting the type of things many women have to endure simply because it becomes known that they are a female in an online game.


Here's an inbox of one after an evening of gaming:
http://fatuglyorslut...T_XX_S1L3NT.jpg

[Darth Krytie]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Here is a website of women gamers posting the type of things many women have to endure simply because it becomes known that they are a female in an online game.


Here's an inbox of one after an evening of gaming:
http://fatuglyorslut...T_XX_S1L3NT.jpg

And that is why I never play multiplayer with people I don't already know.

[Allan Schumacher]

This is a Flicker page that hosts the old logo (the quality isn't quite as good, however).

http://www.flickr.co...N03/2715426126/

[AlexanderCousland]

Gazardiel wrote...

Add me to the list of players who doesn't talk on voice chat and who uses male avatars* (often in single-player games too) and who grew up on Dad's lap helping Sir Graham avoid the Wolf and launching chaff in flight simulators on an original IBM.  I've actually made it a habit to always be masculine or neuter online to be left alone so I can pewpew.  When I played WoW, I used Trolls with big tusks and huge Cow-men to avoid any doubt about my meatspace identity (which I find kind of silly to obsess about in online spaces). 

For the life of me I cant understand why Female's here think Male=Normal Gaming Experience in Multiplayer, and what other variation's of social life has that thought leaked into and how harmful is it, because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnormal.....I cant understand why posing as Male means a better experience.

[Mr Deathbot]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

This is a Flicker page that hosts the old logo (the quality isn't quite as good, however).

http://www.flickr.co...N03/2715426126/

Eeek I think the Troll one you posted earlier was better... no offense

[Mr Deathbot]

FreshIstay wrote...

Gazardiel wrote...

Add me to the list of players who doesn't talk on voice chat and who uses male avatars* (often in single-player games too) and who grew up on Dad's lap helping Sir Graham avoid the Wolf and launching chaff in flight simulators on an original IBM.  I've actually made it a habit to always be masculine or neuter online to be left alone so I can pewpew.  When I played WoW, I used Trolls with big tusks and huge Cow-men to avoid any doubt about my meatspace identity (which I find kind of silly to obsess about in online spaces). 

For the life of me I cant understand why Female's here think Male=Normal Gaming Experience in Multiplayer, and what other variation's of social life has that thought leaked into and how harmful is it, because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnormal.....I cant understand why posing as Male means a better experience.

Because alot of men insult women for playing videogames so to play without being harassed they have to pose as a man, I think it's ironic men act this way to women then complain about there not being alot of women who play videogames

[Allan Schumacher]

because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnorma

It's not that Male = Normal. It's that Male = less abusive.

Eeek I think the Troll one you posted earlier was better... no offense

Hah!  Weird.  I just get a 1600x1200 super high res photo of that logo from the first link.

Alternatively, google searching "Original Dragon Age logo" will bring it up if others are still curious and having issues.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 19 décembre 2012 - 10:45 .

[Kidd]

FreshIstay wrote...

Gazardiel wrote...

Add me to the list of players who doesn't talk on voice chat and who uses male avatars* (often in single-player games too) and who grew up on Dad's lap helping Sir Graham avoid the Wolf and launching chaff in flight simulators on an original IBM.  I've actually made it a habit to always be masculine or neuter online to be left alone so I can pewpew.  When I played WoW, I used Trolls with big tusks and huge Cow-men to avoid any doubt about my meatspace identity (which I find kind of silly to obsess about in online spaces). 

For the life of me I cant understand why Female's here think Male=Normal Gaming Experience in Multiplayer, and what other variation's of social life has that thought leaked into and how harmful is it, because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnormal.....I cant understand why posing as Male means a better experience.

Click Allan's link.

[Mr Deathbot]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnorma

It's not that Male = Normal. It's that Male = less abusive.

Eeek I think the Troll one you posted earlier was better... no offense

Hah!  Weird.  I just get a 1600x1200 super high res photo of that logo from the first link.

Alternatively, google searching "Original Dragon Age logo" will bring it up if others are still curious and having issues.

Though it seems random now, I just remembered you owe me a response to something I posted about DA3 I believe I proved you wrong on something

[Allan Schumacher]

I have no recollection about being wrong about anything ever.

On that note, I'm going to bed, precisely when I should be >.>

[SilentK]

FreshIstay wrote...

For the life of me I cant understand why Female's here think Male=Normal Gaming Experience in Multiplayer, and what other variation's of social life has that thought leaked into and how harmful is it, because if Male = Normal, that inherently means Female=Abnormal.....I cant understand why posing as Male means a better experience.

Hmm... You don't understand why posing as a male means a better experience. When you do not disclose the fact that you are a female gamer you do not run the risk of being mistreated for being a female gamer.

If you play in a group and everyone are ok with each other. Then one of the gamers is revealed to be female and the rest of the group continues to harras that person for being female. Is it the female gamer being mistreated who then thinks that Male=Normal Gaming Experience or is the male gamers who chooses to mistreat her who believes that Male=Normal Gaming Experience?

Modifié par SilentK, 19 décembre 2012 - 10:56 .

[Mr Deathbot]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I have no recollection about being wrong about anything ever.

On that note, I'm going to bed, precisely when I should be >.>

You evade me again, but I swear you will read my counter argument one day

[AlexanderCousland]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Please, I'm sure adult women are perfectly capable of noticing if the atmosphere changes once their gender gets known.

I AGREE, but let's not pretend that it doesnt go both way's.

You're a person we see online on a message board. Why would we care what gender you are? That's kind of the problem, that a lot of people feel the need to hide what gender they are because others do care - and suddenly change how they act.

Well, Female's do have that "Respect me as a Woman" thing, and the "There is certain thing's you shouldn't say to me as a Woman thing"  and also the "You can find me attractive, and it's okay to let me know it, but make sure you do it right when you let me know" thing....so...Id assume the atmosphere would change in how gender's interact with one another. but eh....this is getting confusing.

[Maria Caliban]

FreshIstay wrote...
If i posed as a Female wouldnt you treat me like a Female?

If I posed as a Male wouldn't you treat me like a Male?

Or are you saying you want Men to treat you like a Man, or that you dont want to be treated like a Female by Men?

If you posed as female, I'd treat you like a person.

If you posed as male, I'd treat you like a person.

And I'd like to be treated like a person in return.

[Mr Deathbot]

FreshIstay wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Please, I'm sure adult women are perfectly capable of noticing if the atmosphere changes once their gender gets known.

I AGREE, but let's not pretend that it doesnt go both way's.

You're a person we see online on a message board. Why would we care what gender you are? That's kind of the problem, that a lot of people feel the need to hide what gender they are because others do care - and suddenly change how they act.

Well, Female's do have that "Respect me as a Woman" thing, and the "There is certain thing's you shouldn't say to me as a Woman thing"  and also the "You can find me attractive, and it's okay to let me know it, but make sure you do it right when you let me know" thing....so...Id assume the atmosphere would change in how gender's interact with one another. but eh....this is getting confusing.

You have dug yourself a pretty deep hole my friend, have fun getting out

[whykikyouwhy]

FreshIstay wrote...

You're a person we see online on a message board. Why would we care what gender you are? That's kind of the problem, that a lot of people feel the need to hide what gender they are because others do care - and suddenly change how they act.

Well, Female's do have that "Respect me as a Woman" thing, and the "There is certain thing's you shouldn't say to me as a Woman thing"  and also the "You can find me attractive, and it's okay to let me know it, but make sure you do it right when you let me know" thing....so...Id assume the atmosphere would change in how gender's interact with one another. but eh....this is getting confusing.

I think the matter of respect and saying/not saying certain things is something that goes beyond gender. Perhaps in your experience, you have witnessed or have heard those words primarily from women, but that may be due to the fact that some women have felt/been disrespected, or harassed, or judged negatively due to their gender alone.

What people tend to forget is that while we may exercise the right to have and hold an opinion on something, that shouldn't be the open door and red carpet to say things that are rude or disparaging. Words have weight, and words can wound. I would no more say something rude and inappropriate to a man than I would to a woman, not because of gender, but because it would be rude and inappropriate...on a human level.

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 19 décembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[AlexanderCousland]

EDIT: I think Im going to listen to Mr Deathbot.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 19 décembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Mr Deathbot]

Wasn't this thread originally about how DA supposedly favors women

[Mr Deathbot]

FreshIstay wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It's not that Male = Normal. It's that Male = less abusive.

Cmon' really....I dont know, Maybe it's just my own personal experience but I think Men talk WAYYY more crap to eachother then we do to women, I think women are just more sensitive to it.

I think we are for the most part joking to eachother but in a lot of cases these guys are just insulting the women because they can.

[AlexanderCousland]

Maria Caliban wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...
If i posed as a Female wouldnt you treat me like a Female?

If I posed as a Male wouldn't you treat me like a Male?

Or are you saying you want Men to treat you like a Man, or that you dont want to be treated like a Female by Men?

If you posed as female, I'd treat you like a person.

If you posed as male, I'd treat you like a person.

And I'd like to be treated like a person in return.

Come On' Maria...there was a context to those word's, I believe in mutual respect as well.