KiddDaBeauty wrote...
[EDIT: I should learn from Gazardiel and not push my views of the world onto others.]
I totally disagree. The number of cultures in the world that had, at their onset, a gender-equal hierarchy (let alone a woman-run matriarchy) are so few in number as to be insignificant.
Have women rose to power, some women to the most powerful positions in the history of the world? Of course, no doubt.
But just because women have attained those ranks due to ambition and talent does not mean that the "natural" hierarchy in our most primitve sense allows for any equality at all. And not just between the sexes - small group human systems naturally evolve hierarchies where some have more benefits than others. And, FAR more often than not, this naturally evolving system has females in the "less" column as far as benefits go.
Can we break out of these molds? Absolutely. But to say there isn't a preter-natural instinct in how they play out? That's just naive and ignores millenia of evidence to the contrary.
Go find an example of prisoner camps with mixed genders, particularly ones where the prisoners were viewed as sub-human. The guards would abuse their power, seeing the people as no longer full humans deserving of the respect society instills is important to treat everyone with. Once people begin not thinking of another group within the confines of societal norms, there is nothing to govern their behavior except more baser instincts.
In situations like that, we see guards exert authority and impose themselves physically on the females. Because the guards have come to think of the prisoners as no longer members of society, from which their conditioned societal expectations to not do so can be easily ignored.
This entire thread bemoans the terrible woes that societal upbringing has placed on women... have you all even stopped to think for a second that the stigmas women encounter would be just as likely (and, in fact, much worse in their magnitude) if no society existed at all? In Neolitic Man days, the only thing preventing the rape of a woman is the likelihood that she was too young to mate and was being protected by her parents or that she was claimed by another male... and even then, that wasn't an obstacle if you could beat up the other male.
The time the human species has spent living nice and playing by the rules society has created over the past couple thousand years PALES in comparisson to the amount of time our ancestors did nothing but listen to the desires to impregnate as many females as possible (by consent or by force) to ensure our genetic propagation and our dominace within the group.
Is that an excuse for any type of behavior that demeans or harms another human being? Absolutely not. Does it mean males are bad, horrible humans who can't control anything we do? No, not anymore than it means that women are nothing more than helpless victims.
But it DOES mean that we should take a look and see if society is REALLY the culprit here... or if society is what is keeping things as good as they are. Maybe we can stop blaming the images we see in our society and instead maybe sit back and think "maybe the images are there because the desire is there, not the other way around."
Rape in countries that practice extreme versions of Shariac law is wide spread, despite there being NO images of women allowed, where the sight of even a woman's face is obscured. In fact, certian reports believe it is much higher than it is in Western countries and is never reported for fear of shame (and even death), despite our "over-sexualized" society.
I understand unrealistic depictions of women and physical attractiveness in the media is distressing to women. And I do see the risks of desensitizing people to the idea of women as just objects of sexual attraction to how we operate as a whole. But if anyone really thinks by removing images of unrealistic images of women from being depicted or including depictions of women in a less-sensationalized manner, but instead in a "stronger," less submissive role is going to stop things like guys trying to get in your pants through any means of hook or crook they can devise, I think you are deluding yourselves. A society with women not showing cleavage or being over-sensationalized on the cover of video games will not stop guys playing that video game from giving you gifts to try and have virtual sex with you. That's just not going to happen.
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