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[Wifflebottom]

h0neanias wrote...

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...
The only thing that I've seen in either of the DA games that could be considered "one for the fan girls" was Fenris, he was pure female fan service.

He was not. Don't forget the fanboys. That broody elf deserved some hot gay lovin'.

Yes he was. Anders was the gay butt secks character, not Fenris.

[-leadintea-]

laudable11 wrote...

Both male and Female on the cover please.

Agreed. Like on the PS2 game, Soul Nomad:

[Cathrandir]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

Not trying to be sexist just curious but for some reason the whole Dragon Age series seems like it is written to appeal more to the female audience, anyone else get this impression? Not having a go at anyone I just find it 'unique', to be fair it would seem most games these days are writen to appeal more to males, I mean we got the far superior Witcher series so I guess it is about time women got a series of games made to appeal more to them, all the more power to ya girlfriend.

Considering the fanbase perhaps it is time to put a female lead on the cover? I mean th
e canon Warden and Hawke were both depicted as male so perhaps it is time for a female to take the lead? 

^this:D

[Manic Sheep]

Are we really at the point where not being blatantly sexist and having the same amount of male and female LIs means it aimed more at girls? I suppose since most game are aimed specifically at white men makes anything that's not that look like its pandering to someone else.
Also having played both DA and TW I wish people would stop comparing them. They have some surface similarities but they are completely different games.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 17 décembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[AlexanderCousland]

It's quit amusing to read these type's of posts.

Im all for equality, however, Im not sure how claiming that Males are usually the ones on box covers and poking holes at their apperance's on those covers really benefit's the arguement.

Also, I'd note that if Males put pictures of a female character's butt on the forums and proceeded to oogle over it, people would be calling them pigs and horn dogs.

I also find It funny that there Isnt some huge male outcry everytime some male Singer/Actor/Reality Star takes of his shirt and rubs his body, but It seems to be the exact opposite for females. In fact, the only area's of western media that females havent dominated yet are Video Games & Sport's and that will change to. If it's one thing I've learned in my years, women always get their way.

Modifié par FreshIstay, 17 décembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[upsettingshorts]

False equivalence.

[Fast Jimmy]

I can see a slippery slope happening here.

Bioware adds a female character to the cover, like what we see on the ME3 cover.

The cover is criticized for being too s1utty, as someone else in this thread accused.

The next cover comes out, featuring a homely female pro-tag, which is criticized for making solider/warrior women as being stereotypically not good looking.

The next game cover comes out, showing a woman who is not a super model, but is classically good looking and is not looking like a fighter at all. This is criticized because now Bioware is afraid to show a woman fighter at all, that they are catering to social norms and are telling women to get back to a Mary Sue homemaker lifestyle.

The next game cover has a male, to avoid the madness.

Not saying it WOULD happen... but if anyone thinks it COULDN'T then they are as crazy as I am.

[Blue Gloves]

FreshIstay wrote...

It's quit amusing to read these type's of posts.

Im all for equality, however, Im not sure how claiming that Males are usually the ones on box covers and poking holes at their apperance's on those covers really benefit's the arguement.

Also, I'd note that if Males put pictures of a female character's butt on the forums and proceeded to oogle over it, people would be calling them pigs and horn dogs.

I also find It funny that there Isnt some huge male outcry everytime some male Singer/Actor/Reality Star takes of his shirt and rubs his body, but It seems to be the exact opposite for females. In fact, the only area's of western media that females havent dominated yet are Video Games & Sport's and that will change to. If it's one thing I've learned in my years, women always get their way.

Oh yes.  We always get our way.  Well, maybe there's some credence to that in a few Western cultures.  However, with nothing more than a desire to inform intended, I'd invite you to step out of what is truly a minority in the area of world cultures and views and into the wide and frightening planet filled with cultures where it is not only acceptable, but expected for women to be treated as second class citizens. 

I understand what you're trying to get at.  The United States and Canada seem to have undertaken a massive effort to equalize gender stereotypes, and while this is (in my opinion, of course) a positive thing, it often makes men feel as though they're being persecuted for loving naked breasts, football, and guns.  That feeling sucks, and I get that.  Hopefully it will change and evolve along with our changing and evolving sense of what it means to male or female.  Please though, Please try to understand why quotes like this:  "If it's one thing I've learned in my years, women always get their way."  are offensive and generally just make you sound old, bitter, and like one of those ridiculous old men who still believe that women's small brains might overheat if we're told something too complicated or that we might (gasp) throw a hissy fit if we don't get our way.

[MJF JD]

Lets just stick to dragons on the cover. There is enough games with generic protagonists doing the hero strut.

[Battlebloodmage]

MJF JD wrote...

Lets just stick to dragons on the cover. There is enough games with generic protagonists doing the hero strut.

But the dragon is female.

[MJF JD]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MJF JD wrote...

Lets just stick to dragons on the cover. There is enough games with generic protagonists doing the hero strut.

But the dragon is female.

Fine, a dragon that Zevran is riding nekked.  

[rapscallioness]

Blue Gloves wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

It's quit amusing to read these type's of posts.

Im all for equality, however, Im not sure how claiming that Males are usually the ones on box covers and poking holes at their apperance's on those covers really benefit's the arguement.

Also, I'd note that if Males put pictures of a female character's butt on the forums and proceeded to oogle over it, people would be calling them pigs and horn dogs.

I also find It funny that there Isnt some huge male outcry everytime some male Singer/Actor/Reality Star takes of his shirt and rubs his body, but It seems to be the exact opposite for females. In fact, the only area's of western media that females havent dominated yet are Video Games & Sport's and that will change to. If it's one thing I've learned in my years, women always get their way.

Oh yes.  We always get our way.  Well, maybe there's some credence to that in a few Western cultures.  However, with nothing more than a desire to inform intended, I'd invite you to step out of what is truly a minority in the area of world cultures and views and into the wide and frightening planet filled with cultures where it is not only acceptable, but expected for women to be treated as second class citizens. 

I understand what you're trying to get at.  The United States and Canada seem to have undertaken a massive effort to equalize gender stereotypes, and while this is (in my opinion, of course) a positive thing, it often makes men feel as though they're being persecuted for loving naked breasts, football, and guns.  That feeling sucks, and I get that.  Hopefully it will change and evolve along with our changing and evolving sense of what it means to male or female.  Please though, Please try to understand why quotes like this:  "If it's one thing I've learned in my years, women always get their way."  are offensive and generally just make you sound old, bitter, and like one of those ridiculous old men who still believe that women's small brains might overheat if we're told something too complicated or that we might (gasp) throw a hissy fit if we don't get our way.

BlueGloves is QFT.

[Direwolf0294]

I've never understood why people say Dragon Age has been made to be more appealing to women. It's always seemed rather gender neutral to me.

[MJF JD]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I've never understood why people say Dragon Age has been made to be more appealing to women. It's always seemed rather gender neutral to me.

compared to most games, gender neutral is very appealing.  

[Hey]

Bioware games carry a lot of emotion. I'm not sure this this caters to a specific gender unless we are boxing males into an extremely shallow box and females into a deep one.

This being said meeting Philippa Eilhart was extremely entertaining.

[Fast Jimmy]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I've never understood why people say Dragon Age has been made to be more appealing to women. It's always seemed rather gender neutral to me.

Out of curiosity, are you male or female? 

I very rarely play video games and think "man, I'm glad these games are slanted towards my male tendencies!" Unless they are blatantly throwing around sexuality Duke Nukem style, I feel a lot of them are gender neutral, but apparently the entire industry is biased towards male gamers and I've just been blind. So maybe what is actually gender neutral seems to be appealing towards women to me. Or maybe appealing towards women just appears as gender neutral to women gamers? I don't know... I can't handle thinking about gender that much when I'm just thinking about playing a video game.

[rapscallioness]

I would be interested in knowing what the OP sees as catering to fangirls, though.

Truth is, I feel sorry for guys. It's like they get pushed into this weird corner where they're not supposed to appreciate emotional stuff. Or, romance. Human things. Somehow this idea that guys are supposed to be uber tough and aggressive and unemotional to be a true man has permeated...and it's...sad.

It's unfair to guys is what it is. Stifling. That;s alot to carry. Hold inside. Guys that accept this idea the most are the ones that push their women down the hardest because their woman becomes a symbol of everything they're trying to push down within themselves.

ah.....i should go.

[thats1evildude]

rapscallioness wrote...

Truth is, I feel sorry for guys. It's like they get pushed into this weird corner where they're not supposed to appreciate emotional stuff. Or, romance. Human things. Somehow this idea that guys are supposed to be uber tough and aggressive and unemotional to be a true man has permeated...and it's...sad.

We're allowed to cry on rare occassions. Like if a loved one dies or if we have to chop off a limb or we've just watched Toy Story 3 for the first time.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:41 .

[BiffBuffington]

Atalanta wrote...

I like how "not blatantly sexist" = "written for females."

Sigh.

At least thet're not dressing everyone like it's a Frazetta painting.

[rapscallioness]

thats1evildude wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

Truth is, I feel sorry for guys. It's like they get pushed into this weird corner where they're not supposed to appreciate emotional stuff. Or, romance. Human things. Somehow this idea that guys are supposed to be uber tough and aggressive and unemotional to be a true man has permeated...and it's...sad.

We're allowed to cry on rare occassions. Like if a loved one dies or if we have to chop off a limb or we've just watched Toy Story 3 for the first time.

lol! yes, i've seen TS3. oh...and i feel silly for getting upset over a kid movie, but.. oh!

[WhiteKnyght]

David Gaider wrote...

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...
Not trying to be sexist just curious but for some reason the whole Dragon Age series seems like it is written to appeal more to the female audience, anyone else get this impression? Not having a go at anyone I just find it 'unique', to be fair it would seem most games these days are writen to appeal more to males, I mean we got the far superior Witcher series so I guess it is about time women got a series of games made to appeal more to them, all the more power to ya girlfriend.

I'm uncertain what we do for female fans that we don't also regularly do for male fans. I suppose if the Witcher series is the benchmark you're using, the difference might make it seem unbalanced, but that's a rather dubious measuring stick if you ask me.

It's nice that you throw the female fans a bone, however, "far inferior" as it might be. I'm sure they all appreciate the magnanimous effort that must take on your part.

Isn't the writing team for DA primarily female? Maybe the OP can sense that somehow in the style of writing.

Personally I didn't notice nor does it really matter.

Also I've never played the Witcher, and I'm sure its a good game, but I like DA for reasons that don't apply to it. One of the biggest being the way you can personalize the player character. Geralt of Rivia is a nice character, but he's not 'me' like The Warden and Hawke can be.

[Direwolf0294]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Direwolf0294 wrote...

I've never understood why people say Dragon Age has been made to be more appealing to women. It's always seemed rather gender neutral to me.

Out of curiosity, are you male or female? 

I very rarely play video games and think "man, I'm glad these games are slanted towards my male tendencies!" Unless they are blatantly throwing around sexuality Duke Nukem style, I feel a lot of them are gender neutral, but apparently the entire industry is biased towards male gamers and I've just been blind. So maybe what is actually gender neutral seems to be appealing towards women to me. Or maybe appealing towards women just appears as gender neutral to women gamers? I don't know... I can't handle thinking about gender that much when I'm just thinking about playing a video game.

I'm a guy, but people often seem to mistake me for female on forums, which I'm fine with. I actually prefer having a certain level ambiguity surrounding me. It means people have to read and consider what I write based on my writing's own merits instead of making a bunch of asumption based on my race, gender, orientation etc.

The gender inequality in gaming isn't just about the overt sexulisation of female characters, though that's also a large part of it, but is also about a lot of other things. How few games feature a female protagonist, how many game feature women as simply being love interests to the men etc. The whole culture of gaming is also very male biased, from gamers to the game developers themselves. Women are often subjected to sexually explicit comments when they play games online. Female developers have a very hard time in the industry (I suggest looking up the '1 reason why' campaign that was going on on Twitter for more insight into this). Producers actually tell developers not to have a female protagonist because the game won't sell as well.

I'm getting off track from what we were originally talking about though. I guess the idea that after all the male aimed games out there one that's more gender neutral would be appealing to women makes sense and was admittedly something I had not considered. My original comment though was more about how I don't think the games themselves have been created to appeal more to women than to men, which I tend to see a lot of people assume and I can't help but wonder if it has something to do with DA having a lot of female writers so people automatically think it's being writen for women. 

[rapscallioness]

BiffBuffington wrote...

Atalanta wrote...

I like how "not blatantly sexist" = "written for females."

Sigh.

At least thet're not dressing everyone like it's a Frazetta painting.

oh, dear. now i just feel ignorant. i'm gonna have to go google frazetta paintings. ...but wait....do i want to google this? it's not gonna take me to a weird place, or anything?


edit: wow, Frazetta is a talented artist.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[Blue Gloves]

rapscallioness wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

We're allowed to cry on rare occassions. Like if a loved one dies or if we have to chop off a limb or we've just watched Toy Story 3 for the first time.

lol! yes, i've seen TS3. oh...and i feel silly for getting upset over a kid movie, but.. oh!

Agreed!  My son was 3 or 4 when it came out and we made the trip to the Big Island just to see it in theater.  I cried at least three times, and I saw my husband glance at the kiddo and tear up at least once.  Later he claimed, a la Hank Hill, that he just poked himself in the eye with his straw.  "It was Sprite running my cheek, I swear!  I have no un-manly emotions!"