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[blueumi]

no dragon age 3 should be able to be played by people who never played before games would go under if only people who were there at the start could play

no one should be expected to have played every game in any franchise

[blueumi]

also I don't think bioware want to alienate any new potential fans or alienate the fans they already have

[Celene II]

Any company in the world that does that would be just throwing money down a hole. No one is going to read the print that say the game requires X so they buy it there is a huge backlash and then they remove the requirements in an emergency patch.

Not a good idea.

[xsdob]

Why would I buy a game that wouldn't work unless I went and bought 2 other games? That's making me need to spend 30 dollars plus extra just to play a game.

I'd rather just drive back to the store, get a refund for my broken game, and buy a game that worked and wasn't trying to con me into buying more games.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

I already throw my DA 2's retail disc version to dustbin and remove it's save game from my PC. Now, I only have DAO's copy. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 17 décembre 2012 - 08:00 .

[Parmida]

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Boobs! Four Boobs!

Why limit yourself? pick a Broodmother and you shall have 8 boobs! 8 boobs, brah! can you handle them? I seriously doubt it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

 ...a registered copy of DA:O or DA2 WITH a complete game save.

It worked for Wizardry 2.

[Saibh]

Right, I think this is a level of "available with the purchase of" I am not prepared to accept, right up there (actually probably above) always-online DRM. You're actually asking for developers to make you purchase two other games in order to play one you've already purchased.

Let's say I refrained from buying DAII because I disagreed with changes made to it. Voting with my wallet, etc. So, if DAIII comes out and it fulfills my desires, it pretty much forces me to buy DAII if I want to reward developers and play the game. Only one person wins in this scenario.

You're thinking about it in terms of rewarding fan loyalty, ensuring consistency in lore and plot, etc, but what I think you're missing is that if this worked, this would be an INSANE version of DRM and restricting that we have not seen yet. Can't play Far Cry 3 without the purchase of ACIII. Don't own all the related DLC? Sorry, can't play it.

This would never ever ever ever ever happen nowadays, but still. My god...it would be horrible. I'm not a doomsayer, but this would really be the end of gaming as a respectable hobby.

[AppealToReason]

Sounds like a dick move if you ask me.

[AlexJK]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Now... you may be thinking... are you crazy?

Says it all really

[Maria Caliban]

I think I deleted all of my DA:O saves in the great computer move of 2011.

I'm not even sure if I have DA II saves.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Xewaka]

The main problem with this strategy is that even if it raises sales from former games, the sales department doesn't care how well a game does after the first month/couple months. So they wouldn't bother with something that they might perceive as sales hampering for the new product, regardless of revenue from former products.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

...a registered copy of DA:O or DA2 WITH a complete game save.

It worked for Wizardry 2.

Wizardry 2 did this already? Well... phooey. There goes originality points.

Xewaka wrote...

The main problem with this strategy is that even if it raises sales from former games, the sales department doesn't care how well a game does after the first month/couple months. So they wouldn't bother with something that they might perceive as sales hampering for the new product, regardless of revenue from former products.

They only stop looking at those sales because it is often practical to do so.

DA:O had the majority of its sales after its first month. I don't think just because over a million sales happened after the first month, they don't care/don't count that revenue for DA:O copies.Besides, the main pull of this isn't just that you are selling old copies of your game. Chances are they will be so reduced in cost at that point, the revenue would be negligible. The point is that people will hear that DA3 can't be played unless you already have a previous copy, a level of "I was playing DA before it was cool" type of status, and the sales of DA3 would spike because of it. Because... make no mistake... being viewed as cool be the unwashed masses essentially just means you are exclusive.

Similarly, if a huge spike of previously released games in a series (a spike in the hundreds of thousands) happened, a Sales team COULDN'T ignore that. Its millions in unexpected revenue - they would have week long meetings about what to do with it.

xsdob wrote...

Why would I buy a game that wouldn't work unless I went and bought 2 other games? That's making me need to spend 30 dollars plus extra just to play a game.

Nowhere did I say both games would be required. Just one of them. DA:O OR DA2. Not both.

Celene II wrote...

Any company in the world that does that would be just throwing money down a hole. No one is going to read the print that say the game requires X so they buy it there is a huge backlash and then they remove the requirements in an emergency patch.

You don't get it. This wouldn't be a "fine print" situation. They wouldn't try and hide this. In fact, it wouldn't work at all if you did. This isn't a sneak attack on the players who would buy the game, this is waving a flag for the whole world to see. This is making a policy of a disclaimer at GameStop or Amazon or Origin - if you buy this game and DON'T have a previous copy of the first two games, this will not work.

No surprises or gimmicks or anything... it defeats the entire purpose of what I outlined in my OP.

You tell people who don't have a copy of one of the prior two games they can't buy the third. This isn't a tactic for someone who said "Hmmmm. I've heard some things about this Dragon Age series and this third game looks good, let me pick up a copy." That is NOT who we are targeting.

This tactic would be targeting the person who makes emotional instead of logical purchases... which, if you have some experience in marketing psychology, you will realize is a VERY large population. You say "Have you heard about this new Dragon Age game? You can't even BUY IT unless you have a copy of the previous game. Have you played their games before? Can you buy a copy?" It becomes a status symbol, a measure of your video game expertise. This isn't designed to prevent people who may be interested in DA3 to not buy a copy... its designed to make buying a copy of DA3 the thing only REAL video game fans are able to do.

[AlexJK]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You say "Have you heard about this new Dragon Age game? You can't even BUY IT unless you have a copy of the previous game. Have you played their games before? Can you buy a copy?" It becomes a status symbol, a measure of your video game expertise. This isn't designed to prevent people who may be interested in DA3 to not buy a copy... its designed to make buying a copy of DA3 the thing only REAL video game fans are able to do.

... an excerpt from "101 ways not to market your exciting new product!"

Modifié par AlexJK, 17 décembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Conquerthecity]

 But DA3 is going to be the perfect entry point into the series! 

[Tinu]

blueumi wrote...

no dragon age 3 should be able to be played by people who never played before games would go under if only people who were there at the start could play

no one should be expected to have played every game in any franchise

I don't know if you are being serious and all that, though I agree with this. I've started Dragon Age 2 and it made my want to play its predecessor. It even brought me to Mass Effect. I guess that might have happened to a few other people as well. 

[Kidd]

Oooh sweet, I want in on that Dragon Age 3 gig! I'll go right down to my local game store and pick these babies up!

Which one's first? Oh, Dragon Age Origins. It's $10, $15 for this Ultimate edition. Meh, I don't need all the DLC, I wanna play both of these games so I get to DA3! All right, so now I beat DAO, time to move on. DA2, $5! Awesome!

Cool, DA3 has dropped to $40! I got three games and saved $5 bucks in total.

That's pretty close to a best case scenario for this marketing scheme, I'm afraid. Very few will pick it up on day1 along with two other games. Those who enjoyed DAO and/or DA2 will likely pick up DA3 on their own whether this piece of marketing exists or not.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 17 décembre 2012 - 06:13 .

[John Epler]

No.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sample PR/Sales Statement:

"We here at Bioware are committed to creating stellar games, with an experience that showcases great story-telling and unparalleled levels of player involvement and immersion.

We couldn't have created the games we make today without the involvement, support and devotion of our fans. They have been our guiding force during our creative endeavors.

So, with the release of our newest title Dragon Age: Inquisition, the third title in our Dragon Age franchise, we are making a game that is devoted to the fans. It will be a love letter to those who have been loyal to our products, who are most passionate about our games and who have been in our corner since the beginning.

To that end, we are making this game EXCLUSIVELY for our fans. Bioware is going to require a previous game in the series being registered through their system in order to play the content of our newest game.

Bioware is always glad to have new players interested in their games and may look at not having this registration requirement in future titles, but in this game, created and crafted specifically for the Bioware loyalists who have made us the company we are today, we are stating - only Bioware Alumni allowed.

That being said, we are always happy to have more Bioware fans join our ranks! Copies of both DA:O and DA2 will be offered on Origin at a discount in the three months leading up to the release of inquisition, with an even further bundled discount to buy them both! Share your experiences online at our social networking site, devoted to Bioware fans and games, as you go through one of our previous DA games, either for the first time or for the fifth! Become one of the Bioware fans who we pride our work on, then get ready to rejoin the world of Thedas for the Holiday 2013 Release Date of Dragon Age: Inquisition!"

[Atalanta]

Jimmy ... bro, what are you doing?

[Fast Jimmy]

John Epler wrote...

No.

Embrace the madness, John. Embrace the mad genius!

[Sylvius the Mad]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Embrace the madness, John. Embrace the mad genius!

Did you just tell John Epler to hug me?

[upsettingshorts]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

You say "Have you heard about this new Dragon Age game? You can't even BUY IT unless you have a copy of the previous game. Have you played their games before? Can you buy a copy?" It becomes a status symbol, a measure of your video game expertise. This isn't designed to prevent people who may be interested in DA3 to not buy a copy... its designed to make buying a copy of DA3 the thing only REAL video game fans are able to do.

You jest, but that's not all that different from CDPR's marketing.