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[His Name was HYR!!]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The campaign in ME3 was the shortest of the three installments, or does this go over everyone's head? While the "content" in lines due to having to merge the "decisions that didn't matter" into one game from previous games may have added more lines of dialogue, the campaign was shorter by about 10 hours, and then that ending. Don't get me going.

That was indeed quite regretable. 

[DevilBeast]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Animositisomina wrote...

Okay, seriously, where did this idiotic "Super MAC" meme come from?

"Deep deep my crystal ball, spin for me, twirl your wonder, your magic, and bring fourth the one they call Arcian.."

Be careful what you wish for; you might just get it.

[Mr.House]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

That's what happened. And Super Mac forgot how much a Prothean expert knows about protheans with a PhD in Prothean Studies from Serrice University because all Asari do is shake their asses in sleazy bars for Aliens.

Gooby plz. If there's one thing SUPRAMAC forgets, it sure isn't giving Liara more screentime than she's worth.

Gooby plz. And you don't read on. Was there any other story they could have used to give Traynor purpose? Hmmm? I think there was a lot more story. Face the facts here. The story was rushed and there was a lot of it that was left out. They could have made a real good character out of Traynor without taking parts from other characters.

The campaign in ME3 was the shortest of the three installments, or does this go over everyone's head? While the "content" in lines due to having to merge the "decisions that didn't matter" into one game from previous games may have added more lines of dialogue, the campaign was shorter by about 10 hours, and then that ending. Don't get me going.

I can beat the main story of ME faster then ME2 and ME3.

[Cuddlezarro]

Mr.House wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

That's what happened. And Super Mac forgot how much a Prothean expert knows about protheans with a PhD in Prothean Studies from Serrice University because all Asari do is shake their asses in sleazy bars for Aliens.

Gooby plz. If there's one thing SUPRAMAC forgets, it sure isn't giving Liara more screentime than she's worth.

Gooby plz. And you don't read on. Was there any other story they could have used to give Traynor purpose? Hmmm? I think there was a lot more story. Face the facts here. The story was rushed and there was a lot of it that was left out. They could have made a real good character out of Traynor without taking parts from other characters.

The campaign in ME3 was the shortest of the three installments, or does this go over everyone's head? While the "content" in lines due to having to merge the "decisions that didn't matter" into one game from previous games may have added more lines of dialogue, the campaign was shorter by about 10 hours, and then that ending. Don't get me going.

I can beat the main story of ME faster then ME2 and ME3.

I beat ME3s main story without dlc(barring javiks) in around the same amount of time it took me to beat ME2+all dlc

[bleetman]

AresKeith wrote...

Blame the writers not her

Doesn't that kind of go without saying? She's a character. Any criticism directed at her is criticism of the writers.

[AngryFrozenWater]

bleetman wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blame the writers not her

Doesn't that kind of go without saying? She's a character. Any criticism directed at her is criticism of the writers.

Ghehe. Yeah. This logic is suspect: The game is great, but its awful writers are responsible for all the bad things we encounter.

[Remanentmoss01]

Liara should have been the one that gave direction to Sheperd throughout the game, Liara and Edi, not Traynor and definetly not halfwit (we cant win) Hackett,
And i would have much preffered to have Kelly back instead of Traynor, plus that would have saved us having to spend 25000 on that fish tank at the begining when money was tight

[dorktainian]

garrusfan1 wrote...

She goes to mars to help look for something to stop the reapers. But the biggest reason for her not being so bad at it is unlike the previous shadow broker she lost ALOT of resources since the reapers are destroying the galaxy and her network along with it. Her ship that we go to in LOTSB is gone since Cerberus destroyed it (well at least they would have had she not slammed it into the cruiser). So considering all this I say she isn't  that bad at being the shadow broker anyone agree.

nah shes rubbish.... 

[Uncle Jo]

Bad shadow broker is bad.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:16 .

[Barquiel]

It's bad storytelling, that's all. The game tells us that Liara is a good Information Broker and she's clearly doing important stuff off-screen...but we only get some mails and conversation snippets. Bioware simply broke one of the most important rules in graphic storytelling here: "show, don't tell!"

[shepard1038]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Bad shadow braker is bad.

If your going to flame a character at least bring up reasons.

Modifié par shepard1038, 17 décembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[David7204]

Do people understand that if Liara came up with information to be used on missions and such, players would constantly (and legitimately) be asking "Why did she only come up with that now? Why didn't she have it before?"

Yes, it could have been done a bit better. But having Liara give direction throughout the game is not the answer.

[Reptilian Rob]

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

QFT.

[Uncle Jo]

shepard1038 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Bad shadow braker is bad.

Bad post is bad. If your going to flame a character at least bring up good reasons.

I could point to the Mars Archives, Sur'Kesh, the Citadel Coup, Thessia, Horizon, the location of the Cronos Station, the Catalyst (it's a little too much too ask) and the fact that she never gave Shepard any decisive intel which made us at least once, a step ahead of Cerberus or the Reapers. Or, notice, like many others already did, that Traynor managed to do more with less resources.

But no, I'll stick to my bad post and say: "bad shadow broker is bad".

Edit: I also forgot to mention that every one in the Galaxy knows who the "shadow" broker is.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 17 décembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[David7204]

And having information revealed to the player just through Liara being the Shadow Broker would be cheap and unsatisfying.

[uzivatel]

She finds the plot device and in case Shepard fails, she saves the universe...

As for Traynor x Liara ... Traynor has EDI, while Liara is stuck with Glyph.
They had to give Traynor some purpose, because her male counterpart, Cortez, is seen or heard in almost every mission that includes shuttle. At the same time her location is convenient for a quest giver - she is standing right next to the galaxy map while EDI decided to communicate with Shepard only within the cockpit and Liara is in her lab for the majority of the game.

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

She was like the only Prothean expert to realize there were previous cycles...

[Neizd]

...Some brutal and somewhat primitive Yagh could be shadow broker, that even the illusive man had trouble with tracking down, and did knew a lot more about everything. He even had contact with collectors.

When Liara took over not only did she manage to get her big base blown up, everyone seems to know that she is a shadow broker, and she is not helpfull at all. She just sits in her own cabin in Normandy with those stupid monitors that like to bug and spin backwards.

[Barquiel]

Neizd wrote...

...Some brutal and somewhat primitive Yagh could be shadow broker, that even the illusive man had trouble with tracking down, and did knew a lot more about everything. He even had contact with collectors.

When Liara took over not only did she manage to get her big base blown up, everyone seems to know that she is a shadow broker, and she is not helpfull at all. She just sits in her own cabin in Normandy with those stupid monitors that like to bug and spin backwards.

Did you play LotSB? TIM knew her location because he gave Liara the crucial hint leading to the SB and they used the Normandy.

[shepard1038]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

My biggest problem is that she's the worst Prothean expert ever.

QFT.

Yet in Mass Effect 1 with very little data. She finds that the Protheans were wiped out by a race of ancient machines 50,000 years and knows about the protheans more than anyone else.

Modifié par shepard1038, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[nos_astra]

David7204 wrote...

Do people understand that if Liara came up with information to be used on missions and such, players would constantly (and legitimately) be asking "Why did she only come up with that now? Why didn't she have it before?"

Yes, it could have been done a bit better. But having Liara give direction throughout the game is not the answer.

If that sort of role isn't needed or doesn't work in the game then DON'T MAKE HER THE SHADOW BROKER.

It's really THAT easy.

[nos_astra]

uzivatel wrote...
As for Traynor x Liara ... Traynor has EDI, while Liara is stuck with Glyph.

I'm sure Liara has access to all data that Traynor has access to. Isn't Traynor a civilian contractor?

[David7204]

The answer is to give her a meaningful role and context as the Shadow Broker while keeping it generally separate from Shepard's activities.

[nos_astra]

David7204 wrote...

The answer is to give her a meaningful role and context as the Shadow Broker while keeping it generally separate from Shepard's activities.

That's one possibility. It means she can't be a squadmate.

Same goes for Kaidan/Ashley as Spectres.
Or Garrus as super important advisor to the turian military on everything concerning Reapers.

That doesn't change that having the Shadow Broker on board of the Normandy as of ME3 is a bad idea and makes Liara look bad.

Modifié par klarabella, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Sejborg]

Liara knows Jack's real name.

[David7204]

Location doesn't have much to do with it. Liara could just as easily call the Normandy from her ship or wherever else she stations herself and give Shepard information as she could tell him/her face-to-face.