211 réponses à ce sujet

[uzivatel]

klarabella wrote...

I'm sure Liara has access to all data that Traynor has access to. Isn't Traynor a civilian contractor?

She mentions joining the Alliance to be able to study and she is called specialist all the time.
If they have access to the same data and others are already analyzing it, why would she bother doing the same thing. Instead she is helping with the plot device in various ways.

Sejborg wrote...

Liara knows Jack's real name.

Win.

Modifié par uzivatel, 17 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[nos_astra]

uzivatel wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I'm sure Liara has access to all data that Traynor has access to. Isn't Traynor a civilian contractor?

She mentions joining the Alliance to be able to study and she is called specialist all the time.
If they have access to the same data and others are already analyzing it, why would she bother doing the same thing. Instead she is helping with the plot device in various ways.

Why is Liara on board at all then? What do we need her for if it isn't to be one step ahead? Obviously Traynor can do all that is necessary. Why can Liara do something constructive then?

[Barquiel]

Traynor is a communications specialist...it's her job (and not Liara's) to monitor military comm traffic for the Alliance.

Liara coordinates her network and provides them with orders and missions (= finding information/ressources for the crucible in ME3). The network does the information-gaining part of the job. And her network is a bit less efficient if many of her agents are killed by reapers (or indoctrinated by Cerberus)

They simply have different jobs.

Modifié par Barquiel, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:23 .

[Quething]

David7204 wrote...

Do people understand that if Liara came up with information to be used on missions and such, players would constantly (and legitimately) be asking "Why did she only come up with that now? Why didn't she have it before?"

Yes, it could have been done a bit better. But having Liara give direction throughout the game is not the answer.

Well, no. Players would constantly (and legitimately) be asking, "why is she my primary questgiver and a mandatory squadmate through two/three missions and optional for every single other mission past the prologue and the one comforting me after the stupid Obligatory Traumatized Nightmares both times and the one who finds the MacGuffin and the only squadmate who can't ever die unless you kill the entire galaxy with her."

I mean they still already ask most of that. It's pretty easy right now to argue that Liara's much more important to the defeat of the Reapers than Shepard ever could be; certainly there's no arguing against her role as more important than any other squadmate or in fact any other NPC at all. As clumsy and badly-written as the Shadow Broker aspect of her is in ME3, it's preferable to aggravating that plot disparity any further.

Modifié par Quething, 17 décembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Dean_the_Young]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The campaign in ME3 was the shortest of the three installments, or does this go over everyone's head? While the "content" in lines due to having to merge the "decisions that didn't matter" into one game from previous games may have added more lines of dialogue, the campaign was shorter by about 10 hours, and then that ending. Don't get me going.

That was indeed quite regretable. 

Hm?

The campaign of ME2 was Lazarus Project, Freedom's Progress, Horizon, Collector Cruiser, Derilect Reaper, and Suicide Mission. This does not include the five necessary recruitment missions (Mordin, Jack, Grunt, and I believe two of the second wave to spark the Collector Cruiser mission). Even if you recruit all of Shepard's crew, that only comes out to twelve.

The Campaign of ME3 included Priorities: Earth, Palaven, Surkesh, Tuchanka, Citadel Coup, Geth Dreadnaught, Rannoch Finale, Thessia, Sanctuary, Chronos Station, and Earth. This does not include the four necessary sidequests to open up the Tuchanka/Rannoch finales (two to let Mordin cure the genophage: two to find the Reaper base).


Even including necessary side-missions, that's still 12 to 15 in ME3's favor.

Where ME2 beat out ME3 in length/number of missions was in the non-campaign area, particularly loyalty missions.  But they were never mandatory, and certainly aren't part of the core campaign.

[Liamv2]

Ha jade's summoning worked ^

[Bourne Endeavor]

Much akin to all our choices. Liara as the Shadow Broker was overhyped and amounted to little. Its relevance in ME3 is practically nonexistent.

[David7204]

If LotSB had a bigger impact people would be whining left and right that BioWare was gauging them by forcing them to buy DLC.

[Liamv2]

^ he's got a point

[Remanentmoss01]

If they didn't want to use Liara as the SB then they should have used the prothean scientist angle, starting with Javik, not DLC but a major part of the game, and Liara would dig up the clues to his discovery,and it shouldn't be Cerberus as the foe but Reapers, Praetorians and Scions and suchlike,
And then if they must have the Crucible then it would have been a thing to be found by Liara and Javik and not a thing to be built, it would take umpteen years to build a thing that size, and at the end Javik should have been the one to use it

[10K]

If they weren't going to give her a bigger role as broker, they shouldn't have made her broker.

Modifié par mosesarose, 17 décembre 2012 - 03:02 .

[Someone With Mass]

Sejborg wrote...

Liara knows Jack's real name.

Shepard knows Chakwas' first name.

[Sejborg]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Liara knows Jack's real name.

Shepard knows Chakwas' first name.

Eww. That's worse you know! 

[uzivatel]

klarabella wrote...

Why is Liara on board at all then? What do we need her for if it isn't to be one step ahead? Obviously Traynor can do all that is necessary. Why can Liara do something constructive then?

Other than detonating stuff with biotics?
Were it not for the quests, Traynor would be completely useless to male Shepards. Not to mention people are already crying about Liara being too important.

[dreman9999]

klarabella wrote...

uzivatel wrote...

klarabella wrote...

I'm sure Liara has access to all data that Traynor has access to. Isn't Traynor a civilian contractor?

She mentions joining the Alliance to be able to study and she is called specialist all the time.
If they have access to the same data and others are already analyzing it, why would she bother doing the same thing. Instead she is helping with the plot device in various ways.

Why is Liara on board at all then? What do we need her for if it isn't to be one step ahead? Obviously Traynor can do all that is necessary. Why can Liara do something constructive then?

Why wouldn't an info broker not want to be on the ship that isthe center of communictions for the war?

[dreman9999]

Remanentmoss01 wrote...

If they didn't want to use Liara as the SB then they should have used the prothean scientist angle, starting with Javik, not DLC but a major part of the game, and Liara would dig up the clues to his discovery,and it shouldn't be Cerberus as the foe but Reapers, Praetorians and Scions and suchlike,
And then if they must have the Crucible then it would have been a thing to be found by Liara and Javik and not a thing to be built, it would take umpteen years to build a thing that size, and at the end Javik should have been the one to use it

You just want less cerberus.
Added, the reapers would not know about Javik, which is why cerberus was used.

[o Ventus]

Barquiel wrote...

Traynor is a communications specialist...it's her job (and not Liara's) to monitor military comm traffic for the Alliance.

Liara coordinates her network and provides them with orders and missions (= finding information/ressources for the crucible in ME3). The network does the information-gaining part of the job. And her network is a bit less efficient if many of her agents are killed by reapers (or indoctrinated by Cerberus)

They simply have different jobs.

Yet for some reason Traynor ends up doing both.

[Barquiel]

o Ventus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Traynor is a communications specialist...it's her job (and not Liara's) to monitor military comm traffic for the Alliance.

Liara coordinates her network and provides them with orders and missions (= finding information/ressources for the crucible in ME3). The network does the information-gaining part of the job. And her network is a bit less efficient if many of her agents are killed by reapers (or indoctrinated by Cerberus)

They simply have different jobs.

Yet for some reason Traynor ends up doing both.

So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

[o Ventus]

Barquiel wrote...

So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

Don't be an idiot. You know what I mean. 

Exactly how does the time capsule make Liara a good Shadow Broker? Or her aiding Thessian refugees? Or even her gathering resources?

[xtorma]

All I know is on insanity, liara dies like 5 seconds into every mission segment.

[dreman9999]

xtorma wrote...

All I know is on insanity, liara dies like 5 seconds into every mission segment.

Clearly your not using her right. Put her to cover. She's a pure powers user.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

Don't be an idiot. You know what I mean. 

Exactly how does the time capsule make Liara a good Shadow Broker? Or her aiding Thessian refugees? Or even her gathering resources?

The fact that her goal as a sb is to stop the reapers one way or another.

[nos_astra]

Barquiel wrote...
So Traynor finds the blueprints on Mars? is gathering resources (both physical and information) for the crucible? helps asari refugees on Thessia? puts the time capsule together?

Sound logic.

Liara does stuff that can be considered helpful.
Liara is the Shadow Broker.
Whatever Liara does is what Shadow Brokers do.
Whatever Liara does as a Shadow Broker makes her a good Shadow Broker.